VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Zirael Q]

I'm completely lost, those flashbacks without context are confusing af and making me more curious... Dammit Pink, release it already

 

[aarbei23]

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Seriously, the left girl is probably Bella (we still need to have a lower angle just to be sure). This kinda fits my theory from a while back:

Famous last words .

But mentioning Bella and Jill has me going again.

Here's something interesting: Jill called Cathy when the MC was "bullied". And Bella told us she doesn't like Jade. So obviously Bella influenced Jill. Bella also doesn't like Tybalt, who's Jade's son. So does this mean Bella doesn't like Jade because of Tybalt or she doesn't like Tybalt because of Jade? I think it's the second based on whatever history Bella has with Jade. Now I also remember Bella telling the MC she also used to be in college and such. Now here's an interesting idea : what if Jade and Bella used to be part of the original HOTs? And something happened that made Bella dislike Jade. Which leads me to the person who took the picture of Cathy... What if it was Jade? We know they hang out together. But why would Jade do this? Well, I'm still assuming Jade and Sage have some kind of relation. So Jade is helping the HOTs somehow... Again, yes it's another crazy theory, but I need to do something to pass the time and I already finished The DeLuca Family and City of Broken Dreamers .

 

[SpikeZg]

Pink is fucking with us big time with those flashbacks, damn you Pink
but almost 3000 pages speak for themselves..., i never played a "porn" game where i cared for imaginary characters so much

so where is that update?, i need it NOW!

 

[topkeker]

The girl on the left looks like Jill`s model with saggy sage`s/bella`s boobs milkers on top
My money is 30% on team #jillssister (with some botched tit job tho) and 70% #youngbella, shame the boobs still look old

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Not to mention chest sizes I'd imagine Jade at that age would still have a very impressive size compared to that girl

Not necessarily. Womens boobs don't always stop growing after their teens. A number of reasons such as hormones, pregnancy, weight gain, and even taking birth control pills can cause boobs to grow for women in their 20s and even 30s. There's also breast augmentation, so just just because they look a little smaller here doesn't mean it can't be her.

 

[Melissa fan]

MC takes trip to Josy during a weekend - so why wasn´t that a question for her to visit Maya (30 Minutes with train to the college if I remember correctly?) or vice versa?

Would she even be allowed to go when she wasn't a student? Maya could have easily gone to see Josy. I don't think Maya was as committed to that relationship when she could have easily gone to visit Josy but didn't and wouldn't even admit to the MC she was even in a relationship the way Josy did without mentioning it was with a woman.

Personally didn't feel like the extended Maya and Josy episode IV opener actually contributed anything to the story we didn't already understand.

I just skipped over that whole scene and don't feel like I missed anything.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Would she even be allowed to go when she wasn't a student? Maya could have easily gone to see Josy. I don't think Maya was as committed to that relationship when she could have easily gone to visit Josy but didn't and wouldn't even admit to the MC she was even in a relationship the way Josy did without mentioning it was with a woman.

Pretty sure anyone can be on a college campus, not just students, so Josy probably could have gone to see Maya if she wanted.

The thing is that both of them were tired of arguing with each other and they each thought the other one didn't care about them as much as they thought; Josy felt that Maya didn't care about their relationship because she wouldn't stand up to her Dad for them, and Maya felt that Josy didn't care how she was feeling by wanting to hold on to her relationship with her Dad and not lose his love. So even if they thought about going to see each other, they probably weren't in the mood because of how hurt they were both feeling and figured they'd probably just end up fighting again.

Also, I'd say Josy was the least committed because she was the one who really went after the MC whilst at the same time entertaining the idea of just running away and leaving it all behind without properly resolving things with Maya.

I just skipped over that whole scene and don't feel like I missed anything.

I wish I skipped over that because I feel like the only purpose of that scene was to crush hearts and DPC succeeded in that, but I didn't need that.

 

[Mormont]

but almost 3000 pages speak for themselves...

Very debatable as of late thread was better when it was at its peak last year when not so much was frowned upon.

The girl on the left looks like Jill`s model with saggy sage`s/bella`s boobs milkers on top
My money is 30% on team #jillssister (with some botched tit job tho) and 70% #youngbella, shame the boobs still look old

They look very well developed already if that is Bella of course. The other girls not so impressive and I'd know if it was Jade.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Honestly, the more I see people's complaints about Maya and Josy the more it just sounds like guys who are butthurt over not getting the girls they wanted in the way they wanted them.

Yeah, it sucks, and I felt disappointed and heartbroken over it, but the more I thought about it the more I felt I understood them and could forgive them, and having a chance to still be with them was great because there is something there between the 3 of them and it would be silly to throw it away before getting to truly explore it.

Or maybe it's because they're more interested in the other girls in the game and are tired of having Maya & Josy content forced upon them by the dev simply for the sake of plot progression. Just a thought.

 

[ename144]

For me it's like I said, Josy's more willing to pull the chute and bail out when things get tough. Maya's Dad found out about them and forbade Maya from seeing Josy and likely prevented Josy from seeing Maya. Maya's also not given much indication that she ever stood up to her Dad in defense of her relationship and Josy will have wanted that. They probably also fought before that because of having to keep their relationship a secret and both these things put a strain on the relationship with Josy wanting Maya to be more assertive and Maya trying to hold on to her relationship with her Dad as much as possible. Both of them felt hurt by the other for not respecting each others feelings, but Josy felt like she couldn't be bothered anymore and that she had an easy way out with the MC, just like her Dad did when he cheating on her Mom.

There's a lot of reading between the lines and taking a step back to think about human behaviour in these situations. It's what makes DPC such a good writer because these characters feel very human and are doing things that real people do.

I finally played through most of this game and I was quite impressed. I'm definitely going to have to get episode 5 when it's released. I agree with Holy Bacchus that the interaction between the characters leaves a lot unstated and does feel very human.

On Josy in particular, I think the main issue is that she was isolated - both in that she was lonely, but also in that there was no one she could turn to for advice. She seems like the sort of person who needs to be around people, but she couldn't see Maya and her other friends had moved on. We also know that, like Maya, she didn't want to talk about being in a lesbian relationship.

I think she went on the first 'date' with the MC because she just wanted a friend to hang out with for a bit. After all, he'd been working with her for months and hadn't asked her out, so she probably thought he just wasn't interested in her romantically. It was only when she realized there WAS a mutual attraction between them that she panicked and called the whole thing off. That in turn made her feel even worse because on the one hand she felt like she had cheated on Maya, but on the other hand she enjoyed the companionship and felt like she had treated the MC badly.

From there it gets more speculative because we don't know what they said to each other or when they said it. But we do know they had started fighting and we know Josy told Maya about her plans to leave town, probably about the same time she told the MC. That's when the MC asked for (effectively) a second, and Josy said yes.

I suspect Josy wanted Maya to make more of an effort to see her, but Maya wasn't willing to risk it until she had a way out from her father's control. After her brief tryst with the MC, that became increasingly hard for Josy to take. So once it looked like she wasn't going to get in to B&R (thus might never see Maya again AND had no clear path out of her lousy situation), Josy started thinking about running away and making a new start somewhere else. When the MC heard that, he rushed back to see her. Maya didn't.

So when the date happens, it's no surprise Josy is really conflicted. As she said, she desperately wanted to feel loved, and here was the MC showering her in affection while Maya was (possibly) avoiding her. Based on her dialog in the sex scene, it seems like Josy was trying rationalize the cheating by leaving it up to MC; I don't think it's coincidence she brought up her father and Monica over dinner. She was so desperate to get away from her worries and feel something positive she was willing to cheat, but still couldn't quite bring herself to pull the trigger. It's self-destructive behavior, but it does feel believable, at least to me.

Obviously, this depends on things we don't know, and it might fall apart if and when we learn more about Maya's dad (or Josy's dad and Monica, for that matter). But personally, I find it works very well because all three parties can share the blame for the situation. Maya absolutely should have told the MC that she was still in a relationship, but it's understandable why she didn't given that she's a very private person who has clearly been burned badly talking about that relationship in the past. Josy should have either broken up with Maya or stopped flirting with the MC once it was clear he was interested in her romantically, but it's easy to see why she failed to do so. And while the MC can justifiably feel misled by Josy and betrayed by Maya once the whole thing came out, at the end of the day he was the one who kept pursuing them after they had each said no in their own way. As Josy said, he knew full well she was in a relationship when her pursued her; the only thing that really changed is that he got to feel what that was like from the other side.

Anyway, I've really enjoyed their story thus far. Hopefully all four possible 'pairings' can have a happy ending, but we'll see. That said, while I think this trio is too central to the story to ignore them, it would be good for the next episode to put more of the focus on Jill, Isabella and Sage. There's plenty of room to flesh out the new status quo of the MC and Maya/Josy through small incidental interactions. This is something the texting phone app might be good for.

It's only when the three are an item that we should keep the focus on them. Fortunately, it would make sense for that start slow, so there's still a chance for the other characters to shine now. Eventually whichever characters aren't chosen will have to fade into the background, so some level of varied interaction is going to have to happen. But hopefully that will come near the end of the game so it doesn't get unmanageable.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

The girl on the left looks like Jill (or her sister maybe) almost obviously so, not sure where people are getting Bella or Jade from.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Or maybe it's because they're more interested in the other girls in the game and are tired of having Maya & Josy content forced upon them by the dev simply for the sake of plot progression. Just a thought.

Well, trawling through some of the old pages prior to both episodes 3 and 4, it's interesting to note how a lot of sentiment towards them changed. A lot of people liked Maya and Josy and were excited for ep 4 and the prospect of a threesome with them, but then after ep 4 released is when the mood soured for a lot of people. Why? Because their connection to each other was revealed to be much stronger than first thought, not just a casual fling or lesbian experimentation, but love.

It makes the MC feel like the third wheel, like he's the one who's getting in the middle of their relationship, and adult games typically have the MC be the linch pin of a FFM relationship, with both female characters falling in love with him before agreeing to all be together. Not having him be that here makes Maya & Josy feel like they were always out of reach and it's frustrating and emasculating for some, making people irrationally angry at them.

If some people are tired of their drama, fine, but I'd say a fair few people were just hurt by it and simply try to find other ways to justify not liking them.

 

[Jackie123]

Damn im already blueballing... DPC better drop that shit ASAP!

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I finally played through most of this game and I was quite impressed. I'm definitely going to have to get episode 5 when it's released. I agree with Holy Bacchus that the interaction between the characters leaves a lot unstated and does feel very human.

On Josy in particular, I think the main issue is that she was isolated - both in that she was lonely, but also in that there was no one she could turn to for advice. She seems like the sort of person who needs to be around people, but she couldn't see Maya and her other friends had moved on. We also know that, like Maya, she didn't want to talk about being in a lesbian relationship.

I think she went on the first 'date' with the MC because she just wanted a friend to hang out with for a bit. After all, he'd been working with her for months and hadn't asked her out, so she probably thought he just wasn't interested in her romantically. It was only when she realized there WAS a mutual attraction between them that she panicked and called the whole thing off. That in turn made her feel even worse because on the one hand she felt like she had cheated on Maya, but on the other hand she enjoyed the companionship and felt like she had treated the MC badly.

From there it gets more speculative because we don't know what they said to each other or when they said it. But we do know they had started fighting and we know Josy told Maya about her plans to leave town, probably about the same time she told the MC. That's when the MC asked for (effectively) a second, and Josy said yes.

I suspect Josy wanted Maya to make more of an effort to see her, but Maya wasn't willing to risk it until she had a way out from her father's control. After her brief tryst with the MC, that became increasingly hard for Josy to take. So once it looked like she wasn't going to get in to B&R (thus might never see Maya again AND had no clear path out of her lousy situation), Josy started thinking about running away and making a new start somewhere else. When the MC heard that, he rushed back to see her. Maya didn't.

So when the date happens, it's no surprise Josy is really conflicted. As she said, she desperately wanted to feel loved, and here was the MC showering her in affection while Maya was (possibly) avoiding her. Based on her dialog in the sex scene, it seems like Josy was trying rationalize the cheating by leaving it up to MC; I don't think it's coincidence she brought up her father and Monica over dinner. She was so desperate to get away from her worries and feel something positive she was willing to cheat, but still couldn't quite bring herself to pull the trigger. It's self-destructive behavior, but it does feel believable, at least to me.

Obviously, this depends on things we don't know, and it might fall apart if and when we learn more about Maya's dad (or Josy's dad and Monica, for that matter). But personally, I find it works very well because all three parties can share the blame for the situation. Maya absolutely should have told the MC that she was still in a relationship, but it's understandable why she didn't given that she's a very private person who has clearly been burned badly talking about that relationship in the past. Josy should have either broken up with Maya or stopped flirting with the MC once it was clear he was interested in her romantically, but it's easy to see why she failed to do so. And while the MC can justifiably feel misled by Josy and betrayed by Maya once the whole thing came out, at the end of the day he was the one who kept pursuing them after they had each said no in their own way. As Josy said, he knew full well she was in a relationship when her pursued her; the only thing that really changed is that he got to feel what that was like from the other side.

Anyway, I've really enjoyed their story thus far. Hopefully all four possible 'pairings' can have a happy ending, but we'll see. That said, while I think this trio is too central to the story to ignore them, it would be good for the next episode to put more of the focus on Jill, Isabella and Sage. There's plenty of room to flesh out the new status quo of the MC and Maya/Josy through small incidental interactions. This is something the texting phone app might be good for.

It's only when the three are an item that we should keep the focus on them. Fortunately, it would make sense for that start slow, so there's still a chance for the other characters to shine now. Eventually whichever characters aren't chosen will have to fade into the background, so some level of varied interaction is going to have to happen. But hopefully that will come near the end of the game so it doesn't get unmanageable.

This is a perfectly well put together explanation/reasoning of this whole situation and I enjoyed reading it. I was thinking about addressing each point individually to add to it, but there's nothing to add because it's exactly how I see it as well.

I only wish more people saw it this way then maybe they wouldn't have such irrational hatred for these characters based on their own hurt feelings.

 

[Mormont]

Jade from.

I think glasses are required it looks nothing like Jade the whole structure of the faces are different.

 

[Casmyr]

The leftovers option in Quinn's restaurant is like the best thing ever.

Also thank you ename144 for posting that wonderful read.

 

[Dashxp4k]

Girl on the left looks like bella

It's Bella

 

[ename144]

The leftovers option in Quinn's restaurant is like the best thing ever.

Also thank you ename144 for posting that wonderful read.

My pleasure, glad it was worth the time to write. It's nice when a game makes me care enough about the characters to get into the weeds on just what makes them tick.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

This is a perfectly well put together explanation/reasoning of this whole situation and I enjoyed reading it. I was thinking about addressing each point individually to add to it, but there's nothing to add because it's exactly how I see it as well.

I only wish more people saw it this way then maybe they wouldn't have such irrational hatred for these characters based on their own hurt feelings.

Most people do understand their situation perfectly, they just disliked their actions to the point of not having any romantic interest in them and again prefer other girls (like myself).

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

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It's Bella

Hmm, the more I look at the picture the more I can kinda see a younger Bella.