VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TundraLupus]

Towards the end of ep3, should be after gender studies class were you accept/reject Jade

perfect, thanks

 

[Holy Bacchus]

You're probably gonna hate this, but it will only lead to adding more theorizing to the existance of a BellaxMCxJill path

Way ahead of you.

I have a hopeful, and probably naive, view that Bella and Jill will be a do-over of Melissa and Megan in AL. The situation seems somewhat similar where we have two close friends who are interested in the same guy; one who's very sweet and innocent, and the other who's more emotionally closed off but capable of deep affection.

Perhaps these two will have a threesome/sharing path with the MC because, again, much like in AL, the MC is really bringing Bella out of her shell and making her happy, so I could see Jill being very encouraging of this since Bella is her best friend and she will no doubt want what's best for her, just like Megan did for Melissa in AL. I also think that Jill could be OK with such a sharing-type relationship because she's a people-pleaser, and whilst it would be an unconventional relationship, all parties involved would be happy to have each other and I can't see there being any feelings of jealousy among them either.

As much as I dislike the notion they hooked up, because it's wildly out of character but whatever... another line that could have some significance is this one from the night MC got drunk and kissed her.

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Way back when the theory was she hooked up with Stephen people discussed this line as proof they didn't do anything. It is slightly odd she clarifies it's been 3 years since a man made her aroused. On it's own it easily could just be an oddly specific word choice but given the conversation with Jill in Ep5 it could be more. I still don't like the theory but it's got a lot of evidence at this point.

And let's not forget these lines:

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So, yeah, a lot of things lining up that suggets something happened between Bella and Jill.

 

[ThatGuyWho]

We should now put an end to this and start a new discussion. A better one! A lighter one! Who's the best side girl or HOT?

Riona is my one and only side girl. Something about her just makes me want to help and protect her.

 

[lordfridge9]

Way ahead of you.




And let's not forget these lines:

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So, yeah, a lot of things lining up that suggets something happened between Bella and Jill.

I would much rather this trio happen than MayaxMCxJocy. I really like them individually, but even tho I chose to go for it, I keep questioning whether that was the right decision.
P.S. Your AL explanation is good, but sadly I have no knowledge of it

 

[Ilhares]

Is that the one where the virgin guy finally hands his card in to the Anger Management (Charlie Sheen TV series) chick at the end and due to the pressure jizzes her through the roof?

That is indeed Scary Movie, but it's not the woman from Anger Management. AM's primaries were Shawnee Smith (his ex-wife in the show) and Selma Blair (his FWB/partner) initially, I forget who replaced her. The woman in the film was Anna Faris (Chris Pratt's ex-wife), who has not appeared in Anger Management.

I do get a slight grin when I imagine Riona plastered to the ceiling like that, though.

 

[lordfridge9]

Riona is my one and only side girl. Something about her just makes me want to help and protect her.

Damn, I do like her, but her being (as far as we know) Quinns 2nd in command and participating in it irks me and doesn't instill a lot of trust.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

We should now put an end to this and start a new discussion. A better one! A lighter one! Who's the best side girl or HOT?

Quinn and Melanie. However, Melanie dropped a bit because of the end of EP5. Need to find out what she's up to

 

[ThatGuyWho]

I would much rather this trio happen than MayaxMCxJocy. I really like them individually, but even tho I choose to go for it, I keep questioning whether that was the right decision.
P.S. Your AL explanation is good, but sadly I have no knowledge of it

I always thought that the Maya/Josy relationship was the threesome route of the game.

 

[mindern]

yeah, i don't know, from a chick mc perspective i would think it refers more to the fact that persuing her might have bad consequences for her, more than for himself, but yeah, i'll have to replay that part to form a proper opinion, if i remember correctly this was in the beginning of the game right?

The exact monologue after he stops kissing her because she's crying and saying "I cant" are...

"At the time I couldn't understand Bella. The attraction was there, but for her it felt so wrong. I remember feeling bad about kissing a married woman. I figured she felt the same since she was being unfaithful to her husband... which, of course, is a very big deal. But if I had known the real reason to her tears... to her persona... I wouldn't have kissed her that night. I would have called out for help."

So whatever this "real reason" happens to be is the crux of the matter. Can't say why what he did was so bad but his monologue seems to imply it wasn't the infidelity that was the issue but something bigger.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I would much rather this trio happen than MayaxMCxJocy. I really like them individually, but even tho I choose to go for it, I keep questioning whether that was the right decision.
P.S. Your AL explanation is good, but sadly I have no knowledge of it

Someone said it a while back (can't remember who) shortly after the update dropped, that the fact that M&J tell the MC they do have feelings for him and they didn't like the friends-only decision, almost makes it fell as though the game is telling you that being with them is the right decision. Like it's trying to make you regret either choosing friendship or going down the DIK route and getting rejected because of it.

 

[lordfridge9]

Quinn and Melanie. However, Melanie dropped a bit because of the end of EP5. Need to find out what she's up to

You're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I cannot follow (in regards to Quinn)

 

[TundraLupus]

The exact monologue after he stops kissing her because she's crying and saying "I cant" are...

"At the time I couldn't understand Bella. The attraction was there, but for her it felt so wrong. I remember feeling bad about kissing a married woman. I figured she felt the same since she was being unfaithful to her husband... which, of course, is a very big deal. But if I had known the real reason to her tears... to her persona... I wouldn't have kissed her that night. I would have called out for help."

So whatever this "real reason" happens to be is the crux of the matter. Can't say why what he did was so bad but his monologue seems to imply it wasn't the infidelity that was the issue but something bigger.

Oh, i never though that the infidelity was the problem, if it was she wouldn't have done it, but i do think there is some underlying problem, as he says, her persona is obviously a mask, as shown by her inner monologues, but i can't be sure of what the problem really is until we figure out the deal with the husband, i have my theories, but i really don't want to jump on that wagon, it goes way to crazy in this thread.

 

[lordfridge9]

Someone said it a while back (can't remember who) shortly after the update dropped, that the fact that M&J tell the MC they do have feelings for him and they didn't like the friends-only decision, almost makes it fell as though the game is telling you that being with them is the right decision. Like it's trying to make you regret either choosing friendship or going down the DIK route and getting rejected because of it.

I did go for the trio relationship, but for me it still feels like it might be a mistake due to it maybe being forced, i.e. you either get everything or nothing

 

[TundraLupus]

Someone said it a while back (can't remember who) shortly after the update dropped, that the fact that M&J tell the MC they do have feelings for him and they didn't like the friends-only decision, almost makes it fell as though the game is telling you that being with them is the right decision. Like it's trying to make you regret either choosing friendship or going down the DIK route and getting rejected because of it.

the game really feels like it was made to follow the Chick perspective, not just with them but with the possible consequences of the Dick path, like the jocks saying that now that the Cathy thing happened the DIK's would also be in thin ice, and then having the opportunite to start a fight, or punching Tybald(don't remember the proper spelling, and really don't care)

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

You're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I cannot follow (in regards to Quinn)

Ooh that whole bad girl thing Don't get me wrong, I don't like the drugs or the prostitution angles but the things I would do to that little psycho

 

[mindern]

I did go for the trio relationship, but for me it still feels like it might be a mistake due to it maybe being forced, i.e. you either get everything or nothing

One of the social links in Persona 4 specifically requires you reject the girl at first because the relationship isn't healthy. She instead grows into a better person as your friend and a more stable relationship starts. I've said it before that I'd have a lot of respect for DPC if he subverted the normal VN trope of being able to just "pick" these absurd relationships like harems or incest (or incest harems) and have them always work out flawlessly because the girls passively just follow whatever the MC says. Instead write about how difficult it would actually be for a bunch of 19 year olds to form a stable poly-amorous relationship.

If the Maya/Josy choice to start a thruple backfires and you lose it all whereas the friendship route opens up choosing one or the other individually I would actually quite like that. Sure, it would piss some people off but it would at least be unique. Make the relationship noteworthy in a sea of western VN "Gotta catch 'em all" games.

 

[lordfridge9]

ThatGuyWho Cndyrvr4lf Well I honestly simply cannot decide. Lily (for her define sluttyness that you know will never go away), Envy (for the person she is, especially after the app conversation) and Camila because she likes you and is possibly interested in you, possibly in a similar way as Sage, from just sex to more

 

[lordfridge9]

One of the social links in Persona 4 specifically requires you reject the girl at first because the relationship isn't healthy. She instead grows into a better person as your friend and a more stable relationship starts. I've said it before that I'd have a lot of respect for DPC if he subverted the normal VN trope of being able to just "pick" these absurd relationships like harems or incest (or incest harems) and have them always work out flawlessly because the girls passively just follow whatever the MC says. Instead write about how difficult it would actually be for a bunch of 19 year olds to form a stable poly-amorous relationship.

If the Maya/Josy choice to start a thruple backfires and you lose it all whereas the friendship route opens up choosing one or the other individually I would actually quite like that. Sure, it would piss some people off but it would at least be unique. Make the relationship noteworthy in a sea of western VN "Gotta catch 'em all" games.

Is it just me or do they maybe not always, but regularly put relationships in their games.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

The exact monologue after he stops kissing her because she's crying and saying "I cant" are...

"At the time I couldn't understand Bella. The attraction was there, but for her it felt so wrong. I remember feeling bad about kissing a married woman. I figured she felt the same since she was being unfaithful to her husband... which, of course, is a very big deal. But if I had known the real reason to her tears... to her persona... I wouldn't have kissed her that night. I would have called out for help."

So whatever this "real reason" happens to be is the crux of the matter. Can't say why what he did was so bad but his monologue seems to imply it wasn't the infidelity that was the issue but something bigger.

I feel like the "real reason" could be to do with Jill's sister.

This is a theory I posted back in May.

New theory: Bella's protective nature of Jill isn't just because she was friends with her late sister, but because Bella feels somehow responsible for her death and is trying assuage her guilty conscience by looking after Jill.

Bella's guilt also created problems in her marriage causing her husband to cheat on her and they decided to "take a break" for a while, but it went from a short break to 3 years. Bella has since forgiven him as she realises she drove him to it and has reached out to him to ask him to come back so they can resolve things properly.

If Bella does feel guilty for Jill's sister's death, this would certainly explain her tears because she knows that Jill likes the MC and earlier that day she basically encouraged Jill to pursue something with him, and now she's making out with that very person. Feeling somehow responsible for her sister's death and then making out with the guy she likes would feel like a massive betrayal for Bella.

However, the only flaw in that theory are the scenes in ep 4 if you stay with her and in ep 5, because if she really felt that bad about the kiss for this reason, she wouldn't do these things in eps 4 and 5. But even without that theory, it still feels like a quick turnaround that literally a day after she cried her eyes out over a kiss, she basically beckons him into the bathroom for some heavy petting.

Her actions so far are a little inconsistant, but hopefully there's a good explanation for it eventually.

I did go for the trio relationship, but for me it still feels like it might be a mistake due to it maybe being forced, i.e. you either get everything or nothing

Well, I want the "everything" so I don't much care if it is forced or not. I still favour Maya more than Josy, but I'd rather have both than just one of them.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

BTW I don't know if someone mentioned it here, but I found, that you can change MC's name, his avatar photo and Rooster nickname during game. Just click in Bios on those 3 dots and it opened new window.

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You can change name, avatar and Rooster app nickname

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I didn't realize that too. Does that mean the app does not show Tremolo when others tag you?

All this speculation about missing or dead relatives, mysterious letters, secret lovers, potential unknown lineages, etc. has really distracted us from the game's most important unanswered question:

Who is behind the fake Tybalt accounts that are trolling him on Rooster?

With the above feature, anyone can easily troll Tybalt. If only we can.

Didn't know you could change your name through the bios. Also if you give thumbs up to certain messages on Rooster, sometimes they respond. I only found one with Tybalt though, not sure if there are others.

Tybalt has two, same responses. The others nope, I know, I went in and click like on every post after it was brought up.

In ep 3 when she's thinking to herself about how she wants him to forgive her and wants him to come home, it sounds to me a like it's long separation due to something that happened in the past. Hard to say exactly what that is, and right now everybody's really just fumbling around in the dark trying to come up with possible answers.

He ran out of the house crying and never came back because he cannot take her glare too much. That's what made her angry at him for that time and forgives him now.

Bella had a miscarriage or lost a child at a early age. Her husband left her right after and she feel guilty about it. The room is actually the kids room that they made before the death.

That's actually plausible. Assuming she got married right after college and she's now 35 and the husband left 3 years ago, the kid would be... 8 years old? The shoes may be his?

Man, i'm trying to be polite here. That's why i shifted my point from coma to degenerative disease, to agree with your arguments. And you kept arguing like i didn't say anything, stop getting so worked up over nothing, i already said i just wanted to have all the possibilities covered. Don't start an argument if you don't intend to be polite or understanding.

Don't mind him. He got lost in the rabbit holes too many times.

It's defo in EP3, possibly after gender studies class

After Jill told MC that Bella came around and if you decided to visit her in the Library.