VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Cndyrvr4lf]

I can't believe there are people who didn't use the cheat mod to disable those stupid tests and the dialogues with the feminists (although some of Derek's dialogues with the feminists are funny

Hell some of us not only didn't use the cheat mod, we ran through all the routes on both sides of the affinity bar.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

There is exactly one moment of narration after the intro - in the library with Bella, when he says:

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That's it. That is, so far, the only narration post-introduction. The fact it is the only time DPC has done it makes it IMPORTANT. It could be something other than her dying, but the major event of the story's climax (not that kind of climax!!! I'd tell you to get your mind out of the gutter, but I'm on this site too...) is going to involve Bella's very bad awful terrible day. You can't draw that much attention to a (metaphorical) gun in the first act if you aren't going to use it in the fifth act.

My guess; she is going to sleep with the MC, and feel so guilty she kills herself. Or she gets over her reservations, sleeps with him, and then her husband walks in on them and storms off again. She might get so jealous she goes on a kill crazy rampage, or something else entirely. But it will be a bad day for Bella.

That's true, that conversation is there for a reason. But wouldn't it have been easier to just say "Because of the library conversation" instead of mentioning Chekhov's gun?

Thing is... and I seem to bring up this particular meta point a lot... would people be on board with her being actively (visibly) in love with him? It’s just a concession the story has to make to remove all NTR and anything remotely within that same ballpark. Dude never should have written so much of his cast as being in relationships if he didn’t have the balls to also write those relationships as functioning lest we brush up against something vaguely in that area.

I agree it’s excessively incongruous that she’s this hung up on someone who shows her zero affection. But I don’t think it’s a desired character trait that Chad seems to be entirely disinterested in her for their entire relationship and Sage never addresses any sort of change in his behaviour. As far as we know he’s always been indifferent to her. Its just the writing desperately avoiding showing a main LI romantically and sexually involved with someone else.

I dislike that particular fetish as much as any rational adult but the fact he won’t even establish they were previously in a healthy, sexual, relationship before the MC even knew she existed is to the detriment of the characters. Makes her actions seem arbitrary.

I’m not suggesting we need a full blown sex scene flashback, I’m not even suggesting he be willing to kiss her now. We just need to have her verbally acknowledge their relationship was once good. Cover why they were together and why she won’t let go. No need for gory details but being so overwhelmingly sensitive to people’s knee jerk hatred that he can’t even write a LI acknowledging she was once in love with someone else is just absurd. It’s getting a little tedious that she’s this into a guy who treats her with scathing indifference.

I do agree with you, but I don't think there's much point in we seeing them showing affection.

It's true that this fear of showing anything that anyone would consider NTR related sometimes gets too much, but I don't think showing them showing affection would do anything plotwise. There's a point in showing him uninterested at that point and showing a clearly onesided relationship, we will know why eventually, but if he wanted to show us that the relationship at that point was more healthy and Chad was more involved it would have been nice to show it too.

Edit: Reading this again I feel like I'm contradicting myself. If DPC wanted to show us that some people had functional relationship at some points it could be fine by me. Recreating on it not so much. What's the line between the two? No fucking idea...

First off I am NOT a fan of it so lets get that out of the way. However in a game where 4/5 LI's are already in a committed relationship, regardless of circumstances, it should be at least superficially a part of it. Nothing overt but at least an acknowledgement of the relationships. Instead we are presented with this list of relationships that are so dysfunctional that we don't see anything even remotely positive about any of them until we become involved. It makes the whole thing too forced and loses the whole, at least for me, immersion factor because I can't even get into the story because it comes across as bullshit. The most functional relationship is the Maya/Josy thing because at least they express interest and attraction to each other at some point in the storyline. Sad

Wow, saying that M&J are the most functional is saying a lot. I've never seen it that way.

 

[Ilhares]

If the girls are ranked with XCOM difficulties, it would be:-

Sage - Easy
Josy - Normal
Maya - Hard
Bella - Classic
Jill - Impossible

So what you're really saying is that Jill is a 95% chance.

happy I can just ignore Maya and Josy now that their drama is over.

Bahahaha. You think it's over?

Supertramp, Crime of the century, 1974 (for the old guys like me !)

Older than that.. and worse, that album is in my CD tree, too.

It's not just the haircut, the eyes and the face too. The moment I saw the MC's face I said "I am Ivar the Boneless!"

I fear you need to get your eyes checked. Their resemblance is extremely superficial. About all they have in common is they're white guys with the sides of their heads shaved.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

That's true, that conversation is there for a reason. But wouldn't it have been easier to just say "Because of the library conversation" instead of mentioning Chekhov's gun?

I do agree with you, but I don't think there's much point in we seeing them showing affection.

It's true that this fear of showing anything that anyone would consider NTR related sometimes gets too much, but I don't think showing them showing affection would do anything plotwise. There's a point in showing him uninterested at that point and showing a clearly onesided relationship, we will know why eventually, but if he wanted to show us that the relationship at that point was more healthy and Chad was more involved it would have been nice to show it too.

Wow, saying that M&J are the most functional is saying a lot. I've never seen it that way.

Well lets compare them.
Sage/Chad - you think this is more functional than Maya/Josy?
Bella/? - Uh he's been gone for3 years
Maya/Josy - Have been having issues because of Maya's dad since that summer which was what a 2-3 months ago?

So which of those relationships did you think is more functional than Maya/Josy?

 

[Karl Franz 77]

Well lets compare them.
Sage/Chad - you think this is more functional than Maya/Josy?
Bella/? - Uh he's been gone for3 years
Maya/Josy - Have been having issues because of Maya's dad since that summer which was what a 2-3 months ago?

So which of those relationships did you think is more functional than Maya/Josy?

Tybalt and his watermelon.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Well lets compare them.
Sage/Chad - you think this is more functional than Maya/Josy?
Bella/? - Uh he's been gone for3 years
Maya/Josy - Have been having issues because of Maya's dad since that summer which was what a 2-3 months ago?

So which of those relationships did you think is more functional than Maya/Josy?

No, I mean... I agree with you. I've always though that they were a disfunctional couple, but when you compare it to everyone else all of them are worse. To me they were THE disfuncional couple, but at least they try (kind of, in their own way)... That's what I meant by I've never seen it that way, the rest of them don't even try. Heck, even Burke and Jade are worse .

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

No, I mean... I agree with you. I've always though that they were a disfunctional couple, but when you compare it to everyone else all of them are worse. To me they were THE disfuncional couple, but at least they try (kind of, in their own way)... That's what I meant by I've never seen it that way, the rest of them don't even try. Heck, even Burke and Jade are worse .

Ok got you. The last line when you said "You never saw it that way" I took as negative. My bad

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

No, I mean... I agree with you. I've always though that they were a disfunctional couple, but when you compare it to everyone else all of them are worse. To me they were THE disfuncional couple, but at least they try (kind of, in their own way)... That's what I meant by I've never seen it that way, the rest of them don't even try. Heck, even Burke and Jade are worse .

See and that is what is killing it for me. This is why I say DPC is less than a stellar writer when it comes to drama. These people are unbelievable. Hell the soap opera's my Mom used to watch when I was a kid were less screwed up than these people.

 

[Lightaces]

That's true, that conversation is there for a reason. But wouldn't it have been easier to just say "Because of the library conversation" instead of mentioning Chekhov's gun?

Chekhov's gun is a well known example of foreshadowing. It brings meaning which isn't there if I just say, "Because of the library narration." So while it might have been easier, it would not have made the same point.

 

[Lightaces]

It worked nicely, thanks a lot mate.

I went through all the same stages of frustration, so yeah, you're welcome.

 

[Lightaces]

I don't think any main girl will die, it wouldn't really be fair nor make a lot of sense for 1 girl to die but not any others mainly because this isn't that type of game.

WTH does fair have to do with story telling? Fair is for sports and curves, not story telling.

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

WTH does fair have to do with story telling? Fair is for sports and curves, not story telling.

Lord knows I don't want any of the main LI's to die but I do agree with him.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

See and that is what is killing it for me. This is why I say DPC is less than a stellar writer when it comes to drama. These people are unbelievable. Hell the soap opera's my Mom used to watch when I was a kid were less screwed up than these people.

Yeah, it breaks suspension of disbelief a little bit but so does having sex with all HOTs in two weeks. It's not the most realistic setting in a lot of ways, but I think it's a necessity. It's a lot of drama to be realistic, a lot of different stories at the same time, but I don't think he has jumped the shark yet.

Chekhov's gun is a well known example of foreshadowing. It brings meaning which isn't there if I just say, "Because of the library narration." So while it might have been easier, it would not have made the same point.

But if you don't mention the specific Chekhov's gun in the story, then the message is also not whole. There could be many different things you could use as foreshadowing, there's the room, for one. Just saying Chekhov's gun doesn't mean anything and I don't read minds.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Lord knows I don't want any of the main LI's to die but I do agree with him.

Well I don't, Bella committing suicide due to guilty feeling would be a shit attempt at creating shock value just like Leah being some crazy stalking psycho who just so happened to be obsessed with MC in AL

 

[JustPeekin]

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[mizilic]

Hell some of us not only didn't use the cheat mod, we ran through all the routes on both sides of the affinity bar.

Really? And you did all those tests again and again on all hose routes? Wouldn't going to school and paying some attention there be somehow.. more interesting?

 

[Cndyrvr4lf]

Well I don't, Bella committing suicide due to guilty feeling would be a shit attempt at creating shock value just like Leah being some crazy stalking psycho who just so happened to be obsessed with MC in AL

Well I didn't like it in AL either. However, the fact that he's done it once already....

Really? And you did all those tests again and again on all hose routes? Wouldn't going to school and paying some attention there be somehow.. more interesting?

I got me an edumacation Yep Tests too.

 

[Helios@]

Is anyone working on the Spanish translation?

I made one to play it myself with the mod included, but I didn't upload it out of respect to erospanish since they started with the translation

 

[mizilic]

How the hell a person like Areith got accepted in B&R. She is so stupid that she is not smart at anything.

She probably fucked all the members of whatever organization decides on acceptance. 1 by 1 or in groups..

 

[felicemastronzo]

I don't think any main girl will die, it wouldn't really be fair nor make a lot of sense for 1 girl to die but not any others mainly because this isn't that type of game.

I agree

it would be an extreme choice, when it takes much less to make her unattainable: a transfer from her husband, an expulsion from school for inappropriate behavior ....