VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

come on no ... it seems a bit extreme

so Maya didn't even choose her sexuality? also in that did she accept others decision?

because of that choice, her relationship with her father was ruined (without simultaneously saving his relationship with Josy). I hope she was at least convinced of it

People don't choose their sexuality, and neither did Maya in this scenario. What I'm saying is that it's possible that Maya, in a conscious or subconscious need for validation, found that with Josy and it formed her romantic feelings for her thus making her view herself as gay.

It wouldn't have been a choice to be gay, it would be that this was likely the first real romantic connection that she had formed with anyone, but if the person who had there for her at that time had been a guy like the MC then those romantic feelings might have developed for him. This theory somewhat aligns with why she seems to have fallen for the MC despite seemingly being gay, because she actually isn't gay and instead simply hadn't met a guy yet that could make her feel such an attraction towards them.

 

[felicemastronzo]

but there in my opinion it is the fault of the long wait for the next chapter and secondly of the bad reputation of DPC..

Er.. what bad reputation? Sorry I came in without knowing any of his reputation.

DPC has a bad reputation in the sense that everyone expects very dramatic twists, with deaths of important characters etc ..

and for this the rule is that everything is possible, even the most unlikely event

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

People don't choose their sexuality, and neither did Maya in this scenario. What I'm saying is that it's possible that Maya, in a conscious or subconscious need for validation, found that with Josy and it formed her romantic feelings for her thus making her view herself as gay.

It wouldn't have been a choice to be gay, it would be that this was likely the first real romantic connection that she had formed with anyone, but if the person who had there for her at that time had been a guy like the MC then those romantic feelings might have developed for him. This theory somewhat aligns with why she seems to have fallen for the MC despite seemingly being gay, because she actually isn't gay and instead simply hadn't met a guy yet that could make her feel such an attraction towards them.

If only the game is like SpacecorpsXXX
"I am gay"
"I am not gay"
Once you choose the pink option, Derek will be fuckable. Otherwise, Jamie and Leon (Edit: and Chad) will not appear in the game.

 

[felicemastronzo]

People don't choose their sexuality, and neither did Maya in this scenario. What I'm saying is that it's possible that Maya, in a conscious or subconscious need for validation, found that with Josy and it formed her romantic feelings for her thus making her view herself as gay.

It wouldn't have been a choice to be gay, it would be that this was likely the first real romantic connection that she had formed with anyone, but if the person who had there for her at that time had been a guy like the MC then those romantic feelings might have developed for him. This theory somewhat aligns with why she seems to have fallen for the MC despite seemingly being gay, because she actually isn't gay and instead simply hadn't met a guy yet that could make her feel such an attraction towards them.

don't give too much weight to the words that I choose, that I barely know 100 in English ..

you don't choose to be gay, but once you are aware of it, you choose to hide it and pretend to be straight with the outside world, or live your gay being, not with anyone but at least with the people close to you
Maya makes this choice, at least with her father, her brother etc

as you put it, however, in the end Maya chooses to be gay, not to dismiss Josy, taht falls back in the cliché of the girl who is never master of her destiny in anything
the same dynamic would then also apply to the relationship with MC, also in that case she chose that she could be bisexual, otherwise MC could have moved away


would be further steps back for a character who has so far revealed very little about herself, a part from being broken

 

[flippityflop]

So, in my view, Maya was never actually gay, she only assumed she was because she formed an emotional connection with Josy that developed into romance. But had the MC, or a guy like him, been there for Maya at the time Josy was, then she would be in a relationship with them and consider herself straight.

Yeah, I really find it weird how so many still insist on Maya being gay even after her experience with MC.
You either are or you're not. She's emotionally and physically attracted to MC which proves that she's bisexual and probably always was. How is this still being debated and argued?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah, I really find it weird how so many still insist on Maya being gay even after her experience with MC.
You either are or you're not. She's emotionally and physically attracted to MC which proves that she's bisexual and probably always was. How is this still being debated and argued?

having sex with both a man and a woman does not make you bisexual

 

[Alfagrem]

Skipping past the whole dodgy topic of inherent, learned or mistaken sexual identities as that can only derail this very badly.....

Placing Maya in the bottom of my list isn't because she's not believable. It's just on the weight of facts - I don't particularly want to go down that path.

- She's my best Bro's sister
- Her response to relationship troubles is sending abusive texts and messages
- Her decisions seem to be based on whoever talks to her last

So as there are other options and I can choose to keep my distance, I do.

If I was forced down the path of Maya like we were for Meghan in AL then I'd probably not be Patreoning or all that intrested in the development of the game.

 

[flippityflop]

having sex with both a man and a woman does not make you bisexual

Oh..?

 

[felicemastronzo]

Oh..?

you can be a heterosexual who had a (one or even more) homosexual experience or the opposite (for many reasons)

many homosexuals have had heterosexual experiences to test themselves, or before accepting theirself

 

[felicemastronzo]

Skipping past the whole dodgy topic of inherent, learned or mistaken sexual identities as that can only derail this very badly.....

Placing Maya in the bottom of my list isn't because she's not believable. It's just on the weight of facts - I don't particularly want to go down that path.

- She's my best Bro's sister
- Her response to relationship troubles is sending abusive texts and messages
- Her decisions seem to be based on whoever talks to her last

So as there are other options and I can choose to keep my distance, I do.

If I was forced down the path of Maya like we were for Meghan in AL then I'd probably not be Patreoning or all that intrested in the development of the game.

I think that probably once MC is only friends with the two girls (without offering them anything more) it will be difficult to reopen a love route, without your precise choice

 

[flippityflop]

you can be a heterosexual who had a (one or even more) homosexual experience or the opposite (for many reasons)

many homosexuals have had heterosexual experiences to test themselves

Okay, that's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to dive into right now.
But we were talking specifically about Maya.
Because for her, this was not a one time experience, not a fling, and definitely not an experiment.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Okay, that's a rabbit hole I'm not willing to dive into right now.
But we were talking specifically Maya.
Because for her, this was not a one time experience, not a fling, and definitely not an experiment.

we don't know how many times she has had sex with Josy

with MC one or two partial sex depending on the path

grinding of course doesn't count

 

[flippityflop]

we don't know how many times she has had sex with Josy

with MC one or two partial sex depending on the path

grinding of course doesn't count

What about the emotional attraction? Which should've been brought up in the first place.
You can't reduce this to how many times she had sex with either of them and base your opinion solely on that, that's ridiculous.

 

[felicemastronzo]

What about the emotional attraction? Which should've been brought up in the first place.
You can't reduce this to how many times she had sex with either of them and base your opinion solely on that, that's ridiculous.

it seems a little complicated to count the times when there would have been attraction ...

do we count every time MC and Maya talked to each other? I don't think it's more correct

 

[flippityflop]

it seems a little complicated to count the times when there would have been attraction ...

do we count every time MC and Maya talked to each other? I don't think it's more correct

...Times? You have some narrow and reductionist views on this whole thing...
No, I'm talking about what's been said and how MC and Maya reacted to each other at various points throughout the story.

 

[Diavel]

I'm gonna love to see the chaos on these forums when bella's husband returns.

I'll be one of them firing left and right >< and in every other direction

 

[felicemastronzo]

...Times? You have some narrow and reductionist views on this whole thing...
No, I'm talking about what's been said and how MC and Maya reacted to each other at various points throughout the story.

I speak of "how many times" to find a minimum objective ground.

the espisodes between the two change according to the choices of the players, so it becomes difficult to evaluate.

MC is certainly attracted because he tells us directly, what Maya feels in every moment is a subjective sensation.

when she says she has a boyfriend is she attracted? could be... or not

seeing a movie together, sharing several pleasant moments for two roommates seems little to me to establish these strong feelings

even more if we want to give these episodes an absolute value, making them become proof of her true sexual orientation

finally in 2 out of three cases (no pact or pact refused) between Josy and MC, Maya chooses MC, in no one she chooses only MC

 

[Hugh G. Rection]

you can be a heterosexual who had a (one or even more) homosexual experience or the opposite (for many reasons)

many homosexuals have had heterosexual experiences to test themselves, or before accepting theirself

This is a case of hindsight being 2020 - how many gay men that are/were previously married to women knew they were gay from the start?

Right now Maya is in a Mexican standoff love triangle with both a man and another woman, that makes her bisexual whether she settles on one way later on or not.

 

[flippityflop]

I speak of "how many times" to find a minimum objective ground.

the espisodes between the two change according to the choices of the players, so it becomes difficult to evaluate.

MC is certainly attracted because he tells us directly, what Maya feels in every moment is a subjective sensation.

when she says she has a boyfriend is she attracted? could be... or not

seeing a movie together, sharing several pleasant moments for two roommates seems little to me to establish these strong feelings

even more if we want to give these episodes an absolute value, making them become proof of her true sexual orientation

finally in 2 out of three cases (no pact or pact refused) between Josy and MC, Maya chooses MC, in no one she chooses only MC

Are you intentionally ignoring what Maya tells MC in Episodes 4 and 5? Specifically the Gender Studies class scene? Or the preps party scene (provided you choose to go after her).
Are you forgetting what Derek tells MC before he implores him not to hurt his sister?

 

[Diavel]

I'll more or less stop playing if the Bella option falls through I've spent most of the game focusing on her, it is going to suck doing all that for nothing, don't get me wrong it is a good game but I hate predictable outcomes and if the husband shows up that would be a nail in the coffin for me... but that is just my opinion.

Well it doesn't have to be a bad thing... it can be a point to develop the character even more... just because he appears does not mean that it has to be the end for the route.
It can actually make it even more interesting.

If however that event does cut your course then yes, I'm with you it will suck.