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This literally made my heart skip a beat

 

[DatFatFrog]

Yeah, but it was posted here.

oh yes I forgot that one, thanks

 

[Shades19]

Interesting question.

I think Josy doesn't handle adversity very well, neither does Maya to an extent, but when Josy felt like things were over with her and Maya and that she wouldn't get into B&R, it was like her whole world was falling apart and she couldn't see herself ever being happy in her current situation and was contemplating packing up stakes and moving to the other side of the country. Contrast that wth Maya who was equally upset about the relationship, but didn't completely collapse into a ball of despair and seems determined to actually make the best of a bad situation.

So, I suppose I'd like to see Josy settle down a little more and not act like the sky is falling everytime something doesn't work out the way she thought it would. In this regard, being in a relationship with the MC could help with that because he seems much more chilled about things like that and she could really learn a thing or two about how to cope with things when times get tough.

As for her situation, it's fairly OK for her now after she's settled things with her Dad and got her tuition money, now it's just about helping Maya out. Josy seems to have sort of plan that I suspect involves her not using the tuition money and both of them going for the free tuition. Why? Because leaving her tuition money untouched in the bank would be a good investment for later (after graduation) in order to get away from Maya's Dad for good and start a new life somewhere else. But what happens once they find out what the "free tuition" involves is anybody's guess and difficult to say at the moment, but they will probably involve the MC in some way to help them.



Nah, Quinn's wiley. She'll bring her back into the fold.

Interesting you mention that Josy can be very panicky about situations that dont go the way that she planned it from. Perhaps it may carry on from previous anxiety issues stemming from her own childhood, and she never had much of a motivator in life that gave her the confidence to do what she ever wanted and reassure her of that. This can certainly pave the reasoning why shes inclined to be interested in the MC.

Derek atleast had Maya in this regard.

You being forced to pick between following Josy or Maya in Episode 5 seems to indicate as much.
DPC is already pushing choices on us.

Indeed. He seems to be aware that there are a fair amount of fans that want to choose one instead of both.

 

[lemonfreak]

Interesting question.

I think Josy doesn't handle adversity very well, neither does Maya to an extent, but when Josy felt like things were over with her and Maya and that she wouldn't get into B&R, it was like her whole world was falling apart and she couldn't see herself ever being happy in her current situation and was contemplating packing up stakes and moving to the other side of the country. Contrast that wth Maya who was equally upset about the relationship, but didn't completely collapse into a ball of despair and seems determined to actually make the best of a bad situation.

So, I suppose I'd like to see Josy settle down a little more and not act like the sky is falling everytime something doesn't work out the way she thought it would. In this regard, being in a relationship with the MC could help with that because he seems much more chilled about things like that and she could really learn a thing or two about how to cope with things when times get tough.

As for her situation, it's fairly OK for her now after she's settled things with her Dad and got her tuition money, now it's just about helping Maya out. Josy seems to have sort of plan that I suspect involves her not using the tuition money and both of them going for the free tuition. Why? Because leaving her tuition money untouched in the bank would be good investment for later (after graduation) in order to get away from Maya's Dad for good and start a new life somewhere else. But what happens once they find out what the "free tuition" involves is anybody's guess and difficult to say at the moment, but they will probably involve the MC in some way to help them.

A lot of that comes down to the support system, Josy seemingly wasn't getting with her dad who she'd always been close too and really doesn't like Monica whereas Maya seems to have had Derek around and, in spite of him being so dufferent to her, he absolutely has her back so that, plus her plan to get the free tuition kept her going until A, the reality of what becoming a HOT might mean sank in and B, it looking like Josy wouldn't be coming to B&R with her.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Interesting you mention that Josy can be very panicky about situations that dont go the way that she planned it from. Perhaps it may carry on from previous anxiety issues stemming from her own childhood, and she never had much of a motivator in life that gave her the confidence to do what she ever wanted and reassure her of that. This can certainly pave the reasoning why shes inclined to be interested in the MC.

Derek atleast had Maya in this regard.



Indeed. He seems to be aware that there are a fair amount of fans that want to choose one instead of both.

I think that ending the game with both of them will be a hard route, as it should be.

 

[flippityflop]

Not the same guy but I wanna see her character fleshed out first at the most basic level. She's got some stuff, like Tommy and her blended family but her entire identity is tied up in Maya.

Real bare bones stuff. Throw some hobbies out there, like Maya has movies and Jill the piano. Give her an identity. This is a silly measure of it but if I had to take all 5 LI's out on a date with what we know now I could hazard at least something personal I think they'd enjoy for all of them except Josy. With her I got nothing because we know next to nothing about her (especially compared to other LI). She needs some dedicated time just to her (Ep5's going back to the room with her was nice but didn't say much about her outside of her feelings for MC/Maya) and actually focus on her personality. Once she's a fuller character I'd have more of an opinion on how things go with her because at the moment she's largely just a plot device in other peoples stories.

I don't need to know someone's hobbies to better understand their character. I'm more concerned with how they react in certain situations or how they talk, the words they use and so on.

Yes, Jill plays piano. She also does yoga and enjoys wine tasting. Does that tell me anything about her character? No, it doesn't.

 

[chocolatemilkgames]

Length of time has nothing to do with it. There is no ticking clock rating your feelings and how people treat you. Neither do their ages, or their maturity level. Feelings are feelings. There is no "why." When we are young some of these are often new so they hit even harder. Your argument supports the reverse of your intention. I gather from your casual dismissal of the girls horrible actions toward the MC that you have never experienced that kind of thing from someone you care about. In that, my friend, you are blessed. Having "walked the MC's shoes" in this with a couple relationships in my early days, I would much rather get hit by a car. It hurts a lot less and heals comparatively quickly.

Both girls actively lied to him. Maya FAR more than Josey. Maya literally demanded 100% and gave 1%. I find her to be nearly as morally bankrupt as Quinn given her actions and profound inability to be honest and discern right from wrong...but I expect in time she outgrow this given the consistently unpleasant consequences her choices bring.

Tip to young men...avoid these types of women like you would "Aerith with Crabs." Both girls actively and profoundly betrayed him in every sense of the word (again Maya far more directly and callously than Josey). Respectfully, Fireball, I guess you are much more forgiving and gracious than most other people, and that's commendable. I have a friend who is like that who immediately and completely forgives and overlooks every horrible, viscous thing his (rather rotten) wife does to him, up to and including verbal and physical abuse. Any other man would have dumped her long years ago (as her previous fiancé did after just one month of her viscous abuse). But my friend remains loyal, gentle, and loving. Commendable, but he is often quite unhappy.

Beware, Fireball. I would not wish those feelings on my worst enemy.

That's what I mean, his feelings are totally and completely valid, but this isn't like a marriage. Forgiving things near strangers have done isn't exactly the same as overlooking abusive behavior. Maya only demanded 100% honesty because she wasn't sure if she could trust him yet. Even Derrick was surprised when she did! Coming out is REALLY tough to do (and quite often dangerous), and as you said, most people would rather get hit by a car.
At the end of the day, you (MC) weren't in a relationship with either of them, so neither of them owed it to you to explain this extremely private and potentially traumatic event from their pasts.
It's not my place to say, but I think you may be projecting some of your own pain onto the characters.

 

[Shades19]

I don't need to know someone's hobbies to better understand their character. I'm more concerned with how they react in certain situations or how they talk, the words they use and so on.

Yes, Jill plays piano. She also does yoga and enjoys wine tasting. Does that tell me anything about her character? No, it doesn't.

One thing I like about Josy is shes one of the nicest characters you will ever meet in the story. She has a lot of spunk too and knows how to have fun.

Yes Jill needs to be fleshed out as well. While I do like her, she is kinda dull rn.

 

[Jacob the Third]

Quinn when she thought she getting more money be having more HOTS

STONKS

 

[Holy Bacchus]

You being forced to pick between following Josy or Maya in Episode 5 seems to indicate as much.
DPC is already pushing choices on us.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I don't like that choice. It's not just because it's a difficult choice between comforting someone who needs it and helping Josy get her things to her room, or even that Josy's sex scene is better than Maya's, but it's that each of them have something very important that they express to the MC and before ep 5 I was saying how I felt it was important for him to have a proper talk with both of them individually about the current situation, but instead we have to choose which important conversation he has.

I get why the choice is there as it's likely to set up the possibility of solo routes for each of them, even if you're in a "something more" relationship with them, and it also reflects real life in that you get these "split path" moments where you could have seen or done something else had you made a different choice, but in a game world like this I think there are certain things that need to be seen by the player and not be optional, and this is one of them.

 

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Now that Lily is here, means Pink Rose is at the beach, NICOLE IS COMING!

 

[mindern]

I don't need to know someone's hobbies to better understand their character. I'm more concerned with how they react in certain situations or how they talk, the words they use and so on.

Yes, Jill plays piano. She also does yoga and enjoys wine tasting. Does that tell me anything about her character? No, it doesn't.

I did say it was where I wanted it to start, I didn't wanna go speed dating with her and end the story there. My point was she's lacking basic stuff and that's where we could start because at the moment she's just a sounding board for other people's drama.

I wasn't saying hobbies make the character, I was saying she's missing basic elements that let her personality come through. Jill's piano has shown us some of her personality and indicated future plot points. The shyness at being seen to play, the future performance to an audience and her nerves. How much she cherishes that piano. It let the MC learn the music she's playing to bond with her.

Maya's love of film gave us that scene where she watched old horror movies with MC and all that talk about what she'd do with infinite money or whatever. Sage learning the guitar has given us loads of interactions.

The question was how would you advance Josy's character development. Giving her some hobbies to build a character around is how I would flesh her out. It's how a lot of the other girls have been. Bella's love of books... Sage's guitar lessons... I'm not saying hobbies define a person but as a method of expanding a character they're serving us pretty well.

 

[Malicre]

The question was how would you advance Josy's character development. Giving her some hobbies to build a character around is how I would flesh her out. It's how a lot of the other girls have been. Bella's love of books... Sage's guitar lessons... I'm not saying hobbies define a person but as a method of expanding a character they're serving us pretty well.

To be fair Bella doesn't seem to have any hobbies except reminiscing the past and book reading.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Now that Lily is here, means Pink Rose is at the beach, NICOLE IS COMING!

I think it's a fairly safe bet we'll get a solo Envy/Nicole render as she's becoming quite the popular character in her own right, and then I feel like we might the other girls - Brandi, Rose, and Sandy - in a render together.

 

[Shades19]

I did say it was where I wanted it to start, I didn't wanna go speed dating with her and end the story there. My point was she's lacking basic stuff and that's where we could start because at the moment she's just a sounding board for other people's drama.

I wasn't saying hobbies make the character, I was saying she's missing basic elements that let her personality come through. Jill's piano has shown us some of her personality and indicated future plot points. The shyness at being seen to play, the future performance to an audience and her nerves. How much she cherishes that piano. It let the MC learn the music she's playing to bond with her.

Maya's love of film gave us that scene where she watched old horror movies with MC and all that talk about what she'd do with infinite money or whatever. Sage learning the guitar has given us loads of interactions.

The question was how would you advance Josy's character development. Giving her some hobbies to build a character around is how I would flesh her out. It's how a lot of the other girls have been. Bella's love of books... Sage's guitar lessons... I'm not saying hobbies define a person but as a method of expanding a character they're serving us pretty well.

Some possible hobbies for Josy include:

-Love for champagne
-Going on picnics, or taking the walk to the park. Taking an interest in gymming, jogging, etc.
-Cooking (I love a women who can cook well)
-Painting, Singing etc.

 

[chocolatemilkgames]

I could see it happening if you sent her the dick pic on Swyper. Maybe there's a scenraio where the MC is in the gym and Arieth comes bounding up to him and flat-out tells him she wants him to join her for a shower and a bit of fun but the MC is hesitant, then she tells him not to worry about the crabs because they're gone and then we choose to do it or not.

If we got something like that, I'd actually say "yes".

Honestly, my goal is all of the HOTs now. All of them, no matter what. It can be a separate save so I don't give Sage crabs, but still.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I don't like that choice. It's not just because it's a difficult choice between comforting someone who needs it and helping Josy get her things to her room, or even that Josy's sex scene is better than Maya's, but it's that each of them have something very important that they express to the MC and before ep 5 I was saying how I felt it was important for him to have a proper talk with both of them individually about the current situation, but instead we have to choose which important conversation he has.

I get why the choice is there as it's likely to set up the possibility of solo routes for each of them, even if you're in a "something more" relationship with them, and it also reflects real life in that you get these "split path" moments where you could have seen or done something else had you made a different choice, but in a game world like this I think there are certain things that need to be seen by the player and not be optional, and this is one of them.

And this is preciesly what I meant when I said this.

I think that ending the game with both of them will be a hard route, as it should be.

It's very hard to make it work a throuple like that. Giving attention to both equally, making both of them feel loved equally, not having any of them feel jealous... There are many thing that can break a thing like that. Even if you make the right choice if you're forced to support only one at some point the other one can feel out of place and break up. I can see DPC rubbing his hands and thinking "So you wanted a three way relationship, I'll give you a three way relationship with all consecuences. You don't know what you're asking for ".

 

[Jacob the Third]

How Josy and Jill friendship gonna be?

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[Shades19]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, but I don't like that choice. It's not just because it's a difficult choice between comforting someone who needs it and helping Josy get her things to her room, or even that Josy's sex scene is better than Maya's, but it's that each of them have something very important that they express to the MC and before ep 5 I was saying how I felt it was important for him to have a proper talk with both of them individually about the current situation, but instead we have to choose which important conversation he has.

I get why the choice is there as it's likely to set up the possibility of solo routes for each of them, even if you're in a "something more" relationship with them, and it also reflects real life in that you get these "split path" moments where you could have seen or done something else had you made a different choice, but in a game world like this I think there are certain things that need to be seen by the player and not be optional, and this is one of them.

Also keep in mind that both Josy and Maya are young and experimenting.

Its not like this is a foregone conclusion that this throuple relationship is what would make them truly happy.

 

[Shades19]

How Josy and Jill friendship gonna be?

Spoiler: Jill and Josy

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Would love to see expansions of their newly found friendship for episode 6.

We didnt get much after this library scene (which was more of a foil to make Josy jealous and add drama to MC)