VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[PinkGoddess]

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I regret nothing!

Is this a spoiler or just meme? Because Im waiting for next update to play chapter 5..

 

[lemonfreak]

Is this a spoiler or just meme? Because Im waiting for next update to play chapter 5..

meme

 

[mindern]

Is this a spoiler or just meme? Because Im waiting for next update to play chapter 5..

meme, it was pointed out we’ve never actually seen what Jill’s got down there. Shes never been completely nude. Futa jokes ensued.

 

[Jacob the Third]

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[JohnDelfino]

I think DPC was always going to deal with that in some way, because even without the reaction some people had, it's still a big thing that needed clearing up and clarifying. The one thing that did seem like a slight retcon though, was when the mini-flashback of the MC leaving the library showed M&J weren't kissing, even though we know they were.

Maybe but the Derek line sticks out to me because its the exact phrase I saw many people use to describe how the scene in episode 4 came off. I never noticed that render though, interesting.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

How Many time we tell you guys that JILL IS NOT A FUTA. Here's proof

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Proves nothing, you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.

It's a running joke in case you didn't realize.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

In an ideal world, the author should listen to as much (constructive) criticism as he (or she, of course) can get, but he should only act on that criticism when it demonstrates that he has failed to convey his intended message to large portions of the audience.

If what happened in ep 5 with regards to those interactions and dialogue was due to this, then I'd be fine with that, but I do still think a lot of it was already intended to happen before the ep 4 reactions were known.

For example, I think your criticism of forking the Maya/Josy sex scenes in Episode 5 is perfectly valid, but whether DPC should act on it comes down to what he intended when he wrote the two scenes that way. If he wanted to emphasize how hard it will be to balance a three-way relationship by proving you can't always be there for both of them, then he should probably disregard your concerns, at least for now.

If, on the other hand, he wanted to make sure each player got a lewd scene with their favorite girl but was worried about M/J burnout so he made sure people didn't have to sit through both of them, then I think he should take your criticism to heart. Clearly, in trying to avoid one problem, he inadvertently created another one that might be just as bad. He should devise a new strategy to avoid burnout the next time this sort of thing comes up.

It goes without saying that this is easier said than done, but I think it's ultimately the only meaningful answer. Authors who insist on riding roughshod over their audience's wishes will eventually find themselves alone. But at the same time, trying to please EVERYONE will devolve into artwork by committee. Authors need feedback to learn how their art is interpreted, but at the end of the day that art has to originate in their own vision. They can certainly get valuable input from friends or colleagues, but they can't just farm the whole project out to the public.

I suppose if his intention was to convey the difficulties of balancing being with 2 girls at once, then I can understand that, but I'd still say that, from a narrative standpoint, the MC needs to hear what each has to say about their arrangement on both paths and even if we can't do it here, it should still happen for whatever character you didn't choose later.

At the end of the day, this game is going to be like every other work of fiction where you just have to hope it works out in a way that satisfies you, and if it doesn't then you just to accept it for what it is; much like the last season of Game of Thrones or the Star Wars sequel trilogy.

 

[SPACE_BOOOOOST]

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In all fairness, it could still be one of those that magically grow out from the inside. Then again, Doc is cruel but not THAT cruel.

 

[Diavel]

I have always somewhat agreed with the opposite of this. If I'm giving you money then I want to see the game and things I'm interested in. The whole false advertising thing comes to mind. If Im giving you money to support a game/fetishes and you start a new game or change the fetishes then thats bullshit. Its not about control but if the developer significantly changes his output of whatever then it serves him right for getting not so constructive criticism and a loss of $/patrons.

I don't believe what was meant to be that.... from what I understood, the concern at hand was DPC changing the content from what was publicized by him, to what backers want to see added do to their wishes rather then wanting him to deliver what he set out to deliver.

So if you were to be supporting him monetarily to get the media he promised you then there would be no reason for you to stop supporting him. On the other hand like you said if he where to change it that would obviously be reason for you to stop.

And from what I understood that is exactly what everyone else was discussing, the author changing the content only because the supporters deem it so, under the threat of stopping to back it up if their wishes and demands aren't met.

Now this does not mean of course that the author can't hear the ideas or wishes of the audience and add/change something he himself feels reasonable or interesting to him, in a sense that to him would add something of constructive or better the his story by making it more intriguing.
But of course that inserting or not what the audience wants is a very subjective broad field and not an exact mathematically precise quantity how much an author should or should not take into account.

But on this matter of him considering or listening to his backers.... it sounds to me a little inconsistent no not care about them if he gives them access to a private channel with direct connection from him where they can talk about the game on the matters relating to the game...

I also find quite disrespectful for people to insist on including this or that because they so wish when the author already stated that that is not something that he/they was/were going to include in to begin with. (this not referring to you but to people in general who do so)

 

[Ennoch]

penis as "Organ X."

That settles it! From now on it shall be called as Organ-X. OX i guess. Its going to be hilerious. "Stop teasing and slip your ox in!!"

 

[Manuka]

In an ideal world, the author should listen to as much (constructive) criticism as he (or she, of course) can get, but he should only act on that criticism when it demonstrates that he has failed to convey his intended message to large portions of the audience.

Authors who insist on riding roughshod over their audience's wishes will eventually find themselves alone. But at the same time, trying to please EVERYONE will devolve into artwork by committee. Authors need feedback to learn how their art is interpreted, but at the end of the day that art has to originate in their own vision. They can certainly get valuable input from friends or colleagues, but they can't just farm the whole project out to the public.

And this is how it works in the literary industry, Hollywood the same--how many times have we heard stories of people getting angry about something and the next thing you see is the Artist remove their social media and publicly apologize, then a script has been revised. Does everyone remember what happened to Brian from Family Guy? There are hundreds of books that are submitted by well-known authors, and the editor goes and butchers their manuscript, changing everything around, because what was written was not popular with what people are looking for. At the end of the day, it comes down to Money. If you're not making them money, your opinion means nothing. It is very difficult to do what you want when you go public. There's no arguing that. And like DPC who said he wants to do this as a career, can't just dance to his own tune every time, this is, unfortunately, the reality of being in the public eye.

 

[Zhaiel]

I'm in love with this saga. Can't wait for what's coming next! I really wanna know more about the MC background. Whatever that letter says, it has to be important...

 

[Uber777]

This game is nothing but a masterpiece , can't wait for ep.6

 

[Diavel]

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None of these attest that, they are always either on an unrevealing angle or the shadows just don't permit certainty XD
(gawd I can't believe I'm playing the Devil's advocate on this )

 

[Roelandt]

Okay...so I wanted to see if I could "get them all" in the AnO frat infiltration in Season 5. And WOW. Our MC is not just a stud...he's a super stud. Let's assume for the moment that it's...say...8pm (nighttime at a warmer time of the year given everyone's distinct lack of warm clothes in the game). Lets say he was in the in the mansion for...say 2 hours, got to Bellas at 10, gave Cathy a ride home, chatted for a bit. Played around a bit on Rooster and Swyper. Talked and snuggled with Jill a bit (probably after he'd started to go to sleep), then finally crashed. So...long night. Lets say he said goodnight to Jill at midnight or 1 or even 2 in the morning.

Okay....This dude had sex SEVEN (7) times from 8pm to about 11. Then even got Nicole off on Swyper just for good measure before making out and grinding a bit with Jill. HOLY COW DUDE!

I wanted to see if I could make it with all the girls in a single playthrough. It took several hours of experimentation (I kept missing Riona here and there, and even Camilla a few times). The rest are on the track and were pretty easy.

1. Riona on the balcony while looking for clothes to blend in.


2. Mel and Sara in the hot tub (while Heather watches).


3. Camilla in the conference room. And no...he didn't need to pay!


4. Lilly. Well, even bringing Tequila, he needed to pay this time. Jeez Louise, dude!


5. Sage in another VERY LONG scene (I reasonably sure DrPink loves Sage. All her scenes are quite long).


6. Josey or Maya (but not both...guys gotta have SOME LIMITS). NOTE: He goes for a long, Sage length romp with Josey.


7. Cathy. Holy cow! And the hits just keep ooooon comin'.


8. Nicole. Oh no...our hero isn't done yet. He gets one more girl off sexting before going to sleep!


9. Jill. Wakie wakie! "Couldn't sleep you sweet thing? Lets have some snuggles!" If she hadn't stopped him...holy bases loaded, Batman!


So officially sex with 7 girls, one girl he orgasmed sexting, and he was ready to rock with Jill after she woke him up! That's just...superhuman!

 

[Roelandt]

In all fairness, it could still be one of those that magically grow out from the inside.

Ya know...because that happens. I've seen it in hentai so that must mean it's real. Hehe.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

I don't think you can get Cathy and M/J in the same play through? -1 there.

 

[mindern]

Except we're not talking about people being critical of their writing style, their character development, or pointing out plotholes and plot contrivances, but about allowing a vocal few to dictate the direction and events of the story.

If certain people don't like a certain character and would want to see them get killed off or otherwise removed from the story, DPC should not ever listen to those people if he doesn't plan on doing that because it is not up to them to tell him what he should and shouldn't do with his characters. The same thing if people start asking for some kind of sexual kink like BDSM or incest; if DPC doesn't plan on doing it, then he shouldn't do it just because some people might want it.

I think this story is already being influenced by a vocal minority, if not by direct communications but by an assumption based on past patreon projects.

I’m firmly of the opinion certain characters are hamstrung by a weird desire to not step on people’s toes when it comes to showing them in an actual functioning relationship. The bizarre “it’s NTR if anyone who isn’t the MC is involved with a character” idea is the kinda shit I don’t want influencing this story and it’s making it worse in places. Maya/Josy are making all these decisions about their relationship with MC based on the risk of losing each other but are never allowed to actually be with one another because that would be NTR. They will never be able to prioritise each other here and the story won’t be three people in a relationship it will be two girls in a relationship with the same man.

Sage staying with Chad despite him being so cold with her is another one. I don’t want to see these LI with other people but why write them in relationships only to go a country mile out of your way to specifically never have them do anything.

How much more sense would Sage make if Chad was actually a functioning boyfriend? Someone cheating but still with her. How much more realistic would the whole Maya/Josy no strings idea be if they had a healthy relationship to jeopardise?

Again, I’m no fan of watching LI’s with other partners but NTR looms over all patreon VNs and it’s starting to limit basic design space as writers desperately avoid anything remotely close to it.

 

[AvatarStormBringer]

I think this story is already being influenced by a vocal minority, if not by direct communications but by an assumption based on past patreon projects.

I’m firmly of the opinion certain characters are hamstrung by a weird desire to not step on people’s toes when it comes to showing them in an actual functioning relationship. The bizarre “it’s NTR if anyone who isn’t the MC is involved with a character” idea is the kinda shit I don’t want influencing this story and it’s making it worse in places. Maya/Josy are making all these decisions about their relationship with MC based on the risk of losing each other but are never allowed to actually be with one another because that would be NTR. They will never be able to prioritise each other here and the story won’t be three people in a relationship it will be two girls in a relationship with the same man.

Sage staying with Chad despite him being so cold with her is another one. I don’t want to see these LI with other people but why write them in relationships only to go a country mile out of your way to specifically never have them do anything.

How much more sense would Sage make if Chad was actually a functioning boyfriend? Someone cheating but still with her. How much more realistic would the whole Maya/Josy no strings idea be if they had a healthy relationship to jeopardise?

Again, I’m no fan of watching LI’s with other partners but NTR looms over all patreon VNs and it’s starting to limit basic design space as writers desperately avoid anything remotely close to it.

That definition of NTR is just bollocks. If we're going by that definition and the dev swears off NTR, his MC cannot peek into other people have sex or even watch porn, EVER!

 

[bigdick289]

Is it normal that my favorites right now are Camila (#1), the two teachers and Nicole the stripper? xD

I really hope in the future episodes, we can get to know more of at least Camila, from fuck friend to real dirty official relationship.