VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Deleted member 2739658]

At the end of the day, we all know Maya needs the 'free' tuition purely to drive the plot. It's the perfect excuse to get the shy, feminist character to pledge the party-girl sorority; sexy, drama-filled hijinks ensue.

That said, I do think there are a few possible fig leafs to explain her obsession with it. We know from her initial discussion that she IS taking out student loans already. So the real question is why student loans are enough for a 'poor' student like the MC, but not enough for Maya. Three possibilities occur to me.
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First, she's just more properly paranoid than the MC is: loans need to be paid back, and the MC may not realize just how big his debt truly is. We know economics isn't something the MC thought much about until Jill brought it up. Still, this seems unlikely.

Second, Maya had to take smaller loans because she refuses to work part time the way the MC and Josy did. This is supported by her comment that her dad wouldn't let her work in the Episode 4 flashback. So it's a great explanation... except that given how committed she seems to be to getting out from under her father's thumb, you'd think she'd be doubly committed to getting a job (she can simultaneously earn much needed money and defy him.) Could not getting a job be one of the terms of his ultimatum? Maybe.

But I think the most plausible explanation is that Maya's parents refused to co-sign her loans. Normally that's how young people with no record of financial responsibility can avoid ruinous interest rates. The MC's family is poor, but his dad has been working for decades, so he could have a decent credit record and at least a little collateral to back up the MC. Maya on her own, though, has more or less nothing. So it would make sense that she simply couldn't afford to borrow enough to pay for her tuition - even if she does work part time on the side.

So that's my attempt at rationalizing the situation. YMMV.

That is pretty plausible, the third choice especially. It's always bothered me as to why Maya couldn't afford college and the MC could.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Because it's probably not about teasing the possibility of Maya doing something, but about teasing what happens when someone who Quinn can't control finds out about it. Quinn thinks she can manipulate Maya into joining the menu, but because of the support that Maya has (Josy and the MC), as well as the nature of Maya's character, she won't be able to make Maya do it and then it becomes one of those "loose lips" situations Quinn hinted at in ep 3 and about Quinn will do to keep them quiet.

That could be part of it, but that's still some episodes in the future (or maybe next one, who knows) but as for right now that's where the tension of her storyline should be, getting deeper into a nasty situation fully knowing that she won't do it.

One thing I suppose we are going to disagree is that I see Maya as the type of person who could fall into such a scheme under the right circumstances, passive, obedient, easily manipulated... If she didn't have either Josy or the MC (or Derek) I could see her falling into it. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

I hope this won't happen. Kinda cruel to let us decide and then destroying their relationship in the process



You, kind sir, have missed the best and glorious path in the game


I also don't think that Maya would prostitute herself and let Quinn control her. It's not fitting to her character. If it happened tho that's bad writing on DPC's side. Characters doing questionable actions for the sake of drama is not a good move

Could you explain to me how it's not fitting to her character? Because when I look at Maya I see someone who lacks the courage to stand up to her Father, even though her Father comes between her and her beloved girlfriend. She's also insecure, demanding 100% from everyone else though barely giving any back, which also points to her being self-centered. So I just don't see the personality that could stand up to Quinn, especially while Quinn dangles the one thing that Maya desperately wants. The scholarship that she thinks will let her get out from under her Father's thumb and live the life she chooses.

 

[LatinEmperor]

At the end of the day, we all know Maya needs the 'free' tuition purely to drive the plot. It's the perfect excuse to get the shy, feminist character to pledge the party-girl sorority; sexy, drama-filled hijinks ensue.

That said, I do think there are a few possible fig leafs to explain her obsession with it. We know from her initial discussion that she IS taking out student loans already. So the real question is why student loans are enough for a 'poor' student like the MC, but not enough for Maya. Three possibilities occur to me.

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

You're assuming that Sage knows about Quinn's business. When Sage enters the pool room Quinn tells Maya to zip it, to shut up.

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

Could you explain to me how it's not fitting to her character? Because when I look at Maya I see someone who lacks the courage to stand up to her Father, even though her Father comes between her and her beloved girlfriend. She's also insecure, demanding 100% from everyone else though barely giving any back, which also points to her being self-centered. So I just don't see the personality that could stand up to Quinn, especially while Quinn dangles the one thing that Maya desperately wants. The scholarship that she thinks will let her get out from under her Father's thumb and live the life she chooses.

Yeah that's right she lacks the courage to stand up to her father, but she has people around her that help her and that's the important part. There is no scenario I can think of where neither Josy or MC or even her own brother would let Maya prostitute herself. Also Maya is not the ''sex-drived'' character (Don't know how to phrase it but I hope you get what I mean) She is even hesitant towards the MC, a guy she loves or has some kind of feelings towards. And then you expect her to suck a random guys dick? Nah man, not gonna happen.

Also the reason Maya can't stand up against her father is because of the environment she grew up in (religious, conservative father) and then there is you, a lesbian daughter. Some of you may not know how hard it is to tell your religious parents about your sexuality, so it's normal for Maya to be submissive. (That's just my take on her reasoning)

 

[moskyx]

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

Actually the player never says Maya that Quinn runs a sex business. In the end he just says 'she earns money from girls' and 'don't trust her' and she's the one who brings up the idea of turning up to Sage... with no visible effect, as HOT pledgers aren't allowed to change mothers. So if she wants to remain a HOT, she'd have to stick with Quinn and do all what she need to do in order to be accepted. That's when, sooner or later, she will face the decision of joining the business. If she feels that's her only option to get the money she needs so desperately, I don't see it quite strange she would end accepting. Especially if she doesn't feel MC's and/or Maya's support.
Also, it's still not clear what Sage knows about Quinn's business, so let's scratch that assumption "she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business" because, as far as we know, she might not even know there's a business at all. I'm guessing she will know all the truth just a second too late. And about Quinn not pissing off the MC, well, in some paths it's perfectly possible the MC doen't give a shit about Maya, so there it goes.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

That could be part of it, but that's still some episodes in the future (or maybe next one, who knows) but as for right now that's where the tension of her storyline should be, getting deeper into a nasty situation fully knowing that she won't do it.

One thing I suppose we are going to disagree is that I see Maya as the type of person who could fall into such a scheme under the right circumstances, passive, obedient, easily manipulated... If she didn't have either Josy or the MC (or Derek) I could see her falling into it. Hypothetically speaking, of course.

That's why we have Mona. She seems likely to be the character that shows what happens when someone is desperate, malleable, and doesn't have a strong support structure around them. The only person that seems close to Mona is Camila and she'll encourage rather than discourage Mona because Camila seems to be all in with Quinn's operation.

Maya will likely have Josy, Derek, and the MC long enough that she won't fall into such a thing, and even if she lost Josy and the MC, she'll still have Derek and will have likely built up enough resilience that she won't resort to going down that road.

Could you explain to me how it's not fitting to her character? Because when I look at Maya I see someone who lacks the courage to stand up to her Father, even though her Father comes between her and her beloved girlfriend. She's also insecure, demanding 100% from everyone else though barely giving any back, which also points to her being self-centered. So I just don't see the personality that could stand up to Quinn, especially while Quinn dangles the one thing that Maya desperately wants. The scholarship that she thinks will let her get out from under her Father's thumb and live the life she chooses.

There's a huge difference between standing up to your family and standing up to someone who you've only known for a short time, namely the fact that it's often harder to stand up to your own family when there's the bond of unconditional love that you fear to lose.

Maya may be looking for the easy way out, but she also seems prepared to go down the harder route if necessary.

 

[moskyx]

Yeah that's right she lacks the courage to stand up to her father, but she has people around her that help her and that's the important part. There is no scenario I can think of where neither Josy or MC or even her own brother would let Maya prostitute herself. Also Maya is not the ''sex-drived'' character (Don't know how to phrase it but I hope you get what I mean) She is even hesitant towards the MC, a guy she loves or has some kind of feelings towards. And then you expect her to suck a random guys dick? Nah man, not gonna happen.

Also the reason Maya can't stand up against her father is because of the environment she grew up in (religious, conservative father) and then there is you, a lesbian daughter. Some of you may not know how hard it is to tell your religious parents about your sexuality, so it's normal for Maya to be submissive. (That's just my take on her reasoning)

Derek is the key here, as he's the only one who will never left her alone (MC and Maya could actually break her if they choose to start a relationship on their own). But sometimes you can't reach your loved ones on time, and sometimes they just make bad decissions before asking for advice or help because they think they are doing what is right. We do that all the time, admit it. She could see herself in a tight spot all alone and make the wrong move, then it would be just a bit too late. Also, why are we assuming Quinn will use her as any other menu girl? She can have bigger plans for her, a lesbo virgin sure is on high demand in some dark markets

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Yeah that's right she lacks the courage to stand up to her father, but she has people around her that help her and that's the important part. There is no scenario I can think of where neither Josy or MC or even her own brother would let Maya prostitute herself. Also Maya is not the ''sex-drived'' character (Don't know how to phrase it but I hope you get what I mean) She is even hesitant towards the MC, a guy she loves or has some kind of feelings towards. And then you expect her to suck a random guys dick? Nah man, not gonna happen.

Also the reason Maya can't stand up against her father is because of the environment she grew up in (religious, conservative father) and then there is you, a lesbian daughter. Some of you may not know how hard it is to tell your religious parents about your sexuality, so it's normal for Maya to be submissive. (That's just my take on her reasoning)

First of all prostitution has nothing to do with sex, that is to say it doesn't matter what the individuals sexual orientation is. The point of the act is money. No Prostitute is looking for sexual gratification when they solicit.

Maya is a person who tends to keep things from people, even people she cares about. Go back to that conversation in class where the MC is pointing out just how alike Maya and her brother are. Also, Maya is an adult. She doesn't need her Father's permission, but she does choose to submit to him. I still find it hard to believe that she lived 30 minutes away from Josy and never tried to sneak away for a visit.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

That's why we have Mona. She seems likely to be the character that shows what happens when someone is desperate, malleable, and doesn't have a strong support structure around them. The only person that seems close to Mona is Camila and she'll encourage rather than discourage Mona because Camila seems to be all in with Quinn's operation.

Maya will likely have Josy, Derek, and the MC long enough that she won't fall into such a thing, and even if she lost Josy and the MC, she'll still have Derek and will have likely built up enough resilience that she won't resort to going down that road.



There's a huge differenc to standing up to your family and standing up to someone who you've only known for a short time, namely the fact that it's often harder to stand up to your own family when there's the bond of unconditional love that you fear to lose.

Maya may be looking for the easy way out, but she also seems prepared to go down the harder route if necessary.

You don't listen very well do you? Go away.

 

[AchedCroissant]

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

Yeah that's right she lacks the courage to stand up to her father, but she has people around her that help her and that's the important part. There is no scenario I can think of where neither Josy or MC or even her own brother would let Maya prostitute herself. Also Maya is not the ''sex-drived'' character (Don't know how to phrase it but I hope you get what I mean) She is even hesitant towards the MC, a guy she loves or has some kind of feelings towards. And then you expect her to suck a random guys dick? Nah man, not gonna happen.

Also the reason Maya can't stand up against her father is because of the environment she grew up in (religious, conservative father) and then there is you, a lesbian daughter. Some of you may not know how hard it is to tell your religious parents about your sexuality, so it's normal for Maya to be submissive. (That's just my take on her reasoning)

She doesn't even have much experience with men in fact nothing at all it's not like Josy that she had a lot before her relationship with her you just have to see how she gets when she's intimidated by the MC

Remember in the Diks party when you preffee go with Maya a she says words from her father says to her? Her father is a pieces of shit or the family except Derek

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

Also, why are we assuming Quinn will use her as any other menu girl? She can have bigger plans for her, a lesbo virgin sure is on high demand in some dark markets

We didn't see her use the girls in any other way, sure it's possible but everything other than what we have seen is just assumptions. But yeah sure she can use her in other ways

But sometimes you can't reach your loved ones on time, and sometimes they just make bad decissions before asking for advice or help because they think they are doing what is right

I hope that you are wrong, I'm already fully invested in the game and mainly in Maya and seeing this would fuck me up. Can't we just assume that everything will go well for everyone? Except for Quinn and Jill

 

[moskyx]

Maya will likely have Josy, Derek, and the MC long enough that she won't fall into such a thing, and even if she lost Josy and the MC, she'll still have Derek and will have likely built up enough resilience that she won't resort to going down that road.

What resilience could she possibly have when her girlfriend and the boy she also loves decide to be a thing without her? That's the only scenario that would make this possible, and I don't think it's a crazy idea. Only Derek remains as a safe protector, but he might be elsewhere when the crucial moment comes.

There's a huge differenc to standing up to your family and standing up to someone who you've only known for a short time, namely the fact that it's often harder to stand up to your own family when there's the bond of unconditional love that you fear to lose.

Maya may be looking for the easy way out, but she also seems prepared to go down the harder route if necessary.

Standing up to someone you've only known for a short time is not that easy if that someone has power over you. Do you have a boss? Quinn is a boss for Maya, she's the key to get the money she needs, so she might have to deal with it. The harder route being... well, selling her body is hard enough, don't you think?

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Actually the player never says Maya that Quinn runs a sex business. In the end he just says 'she earns money from girls' and 'don't trust her' and she's the one who brings up the idea of turning up to Sage... with no visible effect, as HOT pledgers aren't allowed to change mothers. So if she wants to remain a HOT, she'd have to stick with Quinn and do all what she need to do in order to be accepted. That's when, sooner or later, she will face the decision of joining the business. If she feels that's her only option to get the money she needs so desperately, I don't see it quite strange she would end accepting. Especially if she doesn't feel MC's and/or Maya's support.
Also, it's still not clear what Sage knows about Quinn's business, so let's scratch that assumption "she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business" because, as far as we know, she might not even know there's a business at all. I'm guessing she will know all the truth just a second too late. And about Quinn not pissing off the MC, well, in some paths it's perfectly possible the MC doen't give a shit about Maya, so there it goes.

Did you happen to notice that Quinn brought up the MC in the scene with Sage and Maya. I think Quinn played on Sage's feelings there, to prevent a ruling that went against her.

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

Remember in the Diks party when you preffee go with Maya a she says words from her father says to her? Her father is a pieces of shit or the family except Dereck

Sadly that's just how m o s t conservative religious parents are regarding sexualities other than what they deem as ''normal''

 

[moskyx]

We didn't see her use the girls in any other way, sure it's possible but everything other than what we have seen is just assumptions. But yeah sure she can use her in other ways



I hope that you are wrong, I'm already fully invested in the game and mainly in Maya and seeing this would fuck me up. Can't we just assume that everything will go well for everyone? Except for Quinn and Jill

Maya is not like the other girls, and Quinn is more desperated now than she was a week ago.

I'm just playing Devil's advocate here, I won't like to see this happening but also I don't think we should dismiss it just like that. Not at this point.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

That's why we have Mona. She seems likely to be the character that shows what happens when someone is desperate, malleable, and doesn't have a strong support structure around them. The only person that seems close to Mona is Camila and she'll encourage rather than discourage Mona because Camila seems to be all in with Quinn's operation.

Maya will likely have Josy, Derek, and the MC long enough that she won't fall into such a thing, and even if she lost Josy and the MC, she'll still have Derek and will have likely built up enough resilience that she won't resort to going down that road.

I don't agree about Camila, she seems to know where her limits are and it's not that into Quinn's thing as it looked like in previous episodes. I think she will give good advice, but maybe she will still be talked into it again by Quinn and go that path with Burke.

Being alone was one of the conditions I mentioned in my original message. Maya has the MC, Josy and Derek and because all of them she could not do it, but if she were alone then maybe. But since we know she won't ever be alone that can't ever happen.

No, Maya is never going to be part of Quinn's operations, if the the dev follow his established characters' traits. A good example is that Maya straight up ask Sage to be her pledge mother if the players tell her that Quinn is running a sex business. Maya is willing to remain a HOT so far mainly because the only guy she had to get sexual with is the MC aka the guy she actually loves romantically. Moreover, Sage doesn't like Quinn's operations even though it brings them tons of money, so she definitely will not allow Quinn to force any of the HOTs to join the business. Quinn also likes the MC, so the last thing she wants to do is really piss off the MC. If you haven't realize, Quinn pratically jumps on the MC four times without expecting anything in return, yet she is all business-like with every other guy in the scenes.

Maya asked to change mothers because the MC suggested it to her. She lacks initiative.

 

[moskyx]

Did you happen to notice that Quinn brought up the MC in the scene with Sage and Maya. I think Quinn played on Sage's feelings there, to prevent a ruling that went against her.

I don't remember the exact details but all that convo shows Quinn's ability to manipulate Sage (and Sage's unwillingness to take matters on her own hands).

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

First of all prostitution has nothing to do with sex, that is to say it doesn't matter what the individuals sexual orientation is. The point of the act is money. No Prostitute is looking for sexual gratification when they solicit.

Sadly I didn't manage to phrase my point correctly and I'm not gonna bother to do so at this point

Maya is a person who tends to keep things from people, even people she cares about.

Agreed, that's the scary part. But I'm sure she will open up as time passes by, can be wrong tho

Also, Maya is an adult. She doesn't need her Father's permission, but she does choose to submit to him. I still find it hard to believe that she lived 30 minutes away from Josy and never tried to sneak away for a visit.

You may find it hard to believe because you never experienced that for yourself, which is a good thing