VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

I hope that you are wrong, I'm already fully invested in the game and mainly in Maya and seeing this would fuck me up. Can't we just assume that everything will go well for everyone? Except for Quinn and Jill

If you're invested in Maya and playing her route then you'll see the good stuff, so no problem there. But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

What resilience could she possibly have when her girlfriend and the boy she also loves decide to be a thing without her? That's the only scenario that would make this possible, and I don't think it's a crazy idea. Only Derek remains as a safe protector, but he might be elsewhere when the crucial moment comes.

It's not like they're going to leave her within the next week, but Quinn pushing Maya to do something she doesn't want to do could happen soon and at that time she will have 3 people at most who could support her. So Maya will likely spend more time not being under Quinn's pressure than she does under it, and with the encouraging support around her, I don't see her backsliding even if the MC and Josy started a solo relationship.

I also don't see people like Josy and Derek taking such a thing lightly, so there's also the possibility that they could want to do something about it, whether that's going to Sage or even the counsellors. And whether they do or don't do anything about it, I reckon Quinn's whole operation will have crumbled anyway before anything involving the MC and Josy getting into a relationship would happen, so there wouldn't be any "Quinn restaurant" for Maya to get involved in anymore.

Standing up to someone you've only known for a short time is not that easy if that someone has power over you. Do you have a boss? Quinn is a boss for Maya, she's the key to get the money she needs, so she might have to deal with it. The harder route being... well, selling her body is hard enough, don't you think?

Except that the HOTs aren't her only option, they're just the easiest. Most people with bosses have to take whatever shit they get given because they don't have much of a choice, but Maya does have a choice, and with the people around her they can help to not only make the right and better choice, but also to help and encourage her with that choice even when it's the harder one.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Sadly I didn't manage to phrase my point correctly and I'm not gonna bother to do so at this point



Agreed, that's the scary part. But I'm sure she will open up as time passes by, can be wrong tho



You may find it hard to believe because you never experienced that for yourself, which is a good thing

In fact I did. My oldest brother Robert was killed in the Vietnam War in 1969. My other two brothers also served in that war. When I turned 18, I told my parents that I wanted to enlist in the Army. Of course, they were dead set against it. But I didn't need their permission, so I told them I was enlisting anyway, and I did.

 

[Dashxp4k]

Jill route.



"I'm to good for you route."



No interest in Jill route.

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

In fact I did. My oldest brother Robert was killed in the Vietnam War in 1969. My other two brothers also served in that war. When I turned 18, I told my parents that I wanted to enlist in the Army. Of course, they were dead set against it. But I didn't need their permission, so I told them I was enlisting anyway, and I did.

That's hard to hear and I apologize for my premature assumptions.
In the end it depends on the person really, you may have the courage but other's don't. I certainly don't have them to begin with when it comes to my sexuality. It's another story when it comes to something that I really want to do tho like, for example, enlisting in the army

 

[moskyx]

If you're invested in Maya and playing her route then you'll see the good stuff, so no problem there. But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

You clearly understimate DPC's ability for plot-twisting As for the tone, if you take Melissa's step-father out of AL, the first 5 chapters are quite light too, the robbery being just the convenient excuse to meet Megan. All you have there is a guy living with 2 girls and hanging around with them and an amazing pal. Then shit happens. I would even say more serious problems have been hinted in BaDIK (drugs, prostitution, and nasty fights between frats) than in AL's first 5 chapters.

It's not like they're going to leave her within the next week, but Quinn pushing Maya to do something she doesn't want to do could happen soon and at that time she will have 3 people at most who could support her. So Maya will likely spend more time not being under Quinn's pressure than she does under it, and with the encouraging support around her, I don't see her backsliding even if the MC and Josy started a solo relationship.

I also don't see people like Josy and Derek taking such a thing lightly, so there's also the possibility that they could want to do something about it, whether that's going to Sage or even the counsellors. And whether they do or don't do anything about it, I reckon Quinn's whole operation will have crumbled anyway before anything involving the MC and Josy getting into a relationship would happen, so there wouldn't be any "Quinn restaurant" for Maya to get involved in anymore.

Yeah, timeframe is important here. But again, I don't think it would be too unrealistical if Maya decides to make her first big decission of her own with something so obviously stupid like this, fooling Derek and Josy (remember, she would be mad at Josie for running away from her with the MC) who might only know what happened after it's done. People do stupid things all the time just to prove themselves.

Except that the HOTs aren't her only option, they're just the easiest. Most people with bosses have to take whatever shit they get given because they don't have much of a choice, but Maya does have a choice, and with the people around her they can help to not only make the right and better choice, but also to help and encourage her with that choice even when it's the harder one.

As for now, it seems the HOT's could be her only option if things with Josie and MC don't go as desired. Her only support will be Derek but she'll be pretty hard beaten, and people in that state tend to do the most stupid things.

 

[Warped77]

But even for those not on that path, and even though this game does deal in some heavy themes, watching a character spiral downwards into a pit of depressing depravity just does not feel like it fits the overall lighter tone of the narrative which is why we'll not likely see anything too bad befall any characters.

While I kinda hope you're correct, if nothing 'too bad' is going to happen to anyone, what's the point of the pre-game disclaimer? I don't want to see any of the characters we've come to know in the first 5 chapters get badly hurt (physically or emotionally) or even killed... but I definitely wouldn't say it's "not likely".

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

That's hard to hear and I apologize for my premature assumptions.
In the end it depends on the person really, you may have the courage but other's don't. I certainly don't have them to begin with when it comes to my sexuality. It's another story when it comes to something that I really want to do tho like, for example, enlisting in the army

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

 

[Deleted member 2739658]

Good night all, I'm going to bed.

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

Bro I just hope you are wrong Can't see anything good coming from Quinn's manipulation

 

[Holy Bacchus]

While I kinda hope you're correct, if nothing 'too bad' is going to happen to anyone, what's the point of the pre-game disclaimer? I don't want to see any of the characters we've come to know in the first 5 chapters get badly hurt (physically or emotionally) or even killed... but I definitely wouldn't say it's "not likely".

Because there's a million different things that the characters can go through that can elicit strong, painful feelings in the player before it even gets to something as extreme as watching someone go from a sweet, innocent, wallflower type character to a drug-adled whore, or to even include a tragic death. Bella's story, for example, might have elements in it that hit really close to the bone for some people and that still lines up with the warning about not "being in a good place" because it could cause an emotional reaction in the player.

Point is that there's a whole spectrum of "bad things" that can befall a character and it doesn't necessarily have to go all the way to the most extreme end of that spectrum, especially since DPC already did that once and to include another tragic, depressing story arc, even an optional one, is a one-trick-pony move.

 

[Maviarab]

You don't listen very well do you? Go away.

But see, this is my whole point. Nothing about Maya presents the impression of someone who could stand up to Quinn's manipulation. I was an investigator for many years and for two of those years I traced runaways. I know a lot about how vulnerable people are sucked into nightmare's like prostitution, and with Maya it's almost like DPC has created the perfect victim. Everyone keeps going on about how she would never do that, but given the desperation of her situation I'm saying, based on what I know, that she would do that if written in accordance with her personality as presented in the game. I've had so many horrific conversations with parents and loved ones who sound exactly like so many people on this form and are so convinced that she would never do that. That's not true, she would.

No one cares what you've done, it's the internet. I used to be a marine astronaut. Are you such an arrogant ass in real life too..or just an argumentative know-it-all internet tough guy?

Asking for a friend...

 

[lemonfreak]

I don't agree about Camila, she seems to know where her limits are and it's not that into Quinn's thing as it looked like in previous episodes. I think she will give good advice, but maybe she will still be talked into it again by Quinn and go that path with Burke.

Being alone was one of the conditions I mentioned in my original message. Maya has the MC, Josy and Derek and because all of them she could not do it, but if she were alone then maybe. But since we know she won't ever be alone that can't ever happen.

Maya asked to change mothers because the MC suggested it to her. She lacks initiative.

I don't buy this hypothesis for a second but the groundwork for Maya being alone has been laid; she and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

She and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

That's a lot of ''could''s in your sentence. Bro if you make assumptions they should have a solid ground to start with. Why should Maya and Josy break up all of a sudden? Even if you don't pursue their route, they are still a couple. There is no sign whatsoever that they are on the brink of breaking up. ''Josy could go back to MC''. There is an equal possibility that Maya would do the same, not just Josy.
Also even IF M&J broke up and even IF Josy goes back to the MC, why does that automatically mean that you, as the MC, would let Maya completly drop?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I don't buy this hypothesis for a second but the groundwork for Maya being alone has been laid; she and Josy could break up, josy could then go back to MC and, at the same time, Derek's cheating in classes could catch up to him and he could be kicked out of B&R. Then who does Maya turn too?

Even if all that happens, Quinn's operation will likely be finished by then because all of that ending will be part of the main, unavoidable story arc. So if Maya were to be left all alone, she'd just have to get through it like any ordinary student.

 

[lemonfreak]

That's a lot of ''could''s in your sentence. Bro if you make assumptions they should have a solid ground to start with. Why should Maya and Josy break up all of a sudden? Even if you don't pursue their route, they are still a couple. There is no sign whatsoever that they are on the brink of breaking up. ''Josy could go back to MC''. There is an equal possibility that Maya would do the same, not just Josy.

I did say I didn't buy it for a second didn't I? Yes I did, that means it's purely hypothetical and in no way a prediction of what I think will happen, just something that could happen.

 

[Pewdiepie9966]

I did say I didn't buy it for a second didn't I? Yes I did, that means it's purely hypothetical and in no way a prediction of what I think will happen, just something that could happen.

I thought that ''this hypothesis'' was referring to Wizard_Shiryuu's comment. Also saying that the groundwork has been laid is just false

 

[lemonfreak]

I thought that ''this hypothesis'' was referring to Wizard_Shiryuu's comment. Also saying that the groundwork has been laid is just false

It was a response to a specific part of Wizard's comment where they said that Maya would never be alone; I correctly pointed out that it is possible for Maya to end up alone based on actual events in the game. We know that Derek cheats in class and it is possible, albeit unlikely, that he could be kicked out of college. We also know that, based on the conversation with Derek in Chapter 5, the MC can still be interested in pursuing Josy or Maya separately after the threeway relationship has been rejected.

Those events could converge and force Maya to turn to Quinn. I don't think they will but your assertion that the groundwork hasn't been laid suggests you've been tab skipping through the dialogue.

 

[Warped77]

Because there's a million different things that the characters can go through that can elicit strong, painful feelings in the player before it even gets to something as extreme as watching someone go from a sweet, innocent, wallflower type character to a drug-adled whore, or to even include a tragic death. Bella's story, for example, might have elements in it that hit really close to the bone for some people and that still lines up with the warning about not "being in a good place" because it could cause an emotional reaction in the player.

Point is that there's a whole spectrum of "bad things" that can befall a character and it doesn't necessarily have to go all the way to the most extreme end of that spectrum, especially since DPC already did that once and to include another tragic, depressing story arc, even an optional one, is a one-trick-pony move.

I also don't buy into the whole 'Maya becomes a drug addict/prostitute' thing either... I just think it's not unlikely that either something very bad is going to happen to someone over the course of the story or we'll find out something very tragic about their past. Obviously, the most likely candidate for this is Bella, considering the locked room, her closed-off demeanor, and the MC's line in the library about 'if I knew then what I know now, I would have screamed for help' (paraphrasing, since I don't recall the exact line).

My wild-ass theory (which I'm sure I'll get mocked for) is that the locked room is a nursery. My crazy guess is that Bella and her husband suffered the loss of their child either by late-term miscarriage/stillbirth or infant death, the stress and shock of which broke their marriage (something I unfortunately have seen happen to two different couples personally). The husband left and Bella had a breakdown of sorts that has prevented her from accepting that her husband isn't coming back. This would be sufficiently 'dark' to warrant the disclaimer, but doesn't necessarily fit the library line completely (I never said it was perfect ). The obvious 'Bella killed her husband and his remains are in the room' thing is too obvious and the axe is likely a red herring.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

That's a lot of ''could''s in your sentence. Bro if you make assumptions they should have a solid ground to start with. Why should Maya and Josy break up all of a sudden? Even if you don't pursue their route, they are still a couple. There is no sign whatsoever that they are on the brink of breaking up. ''Josy could go back to MC''. There is an equal possibility that Maya would do the same, not just Josy.
Also even IF M&J broke up and even IF Josy goes back to the MC, why does that automatically mean that you, as the MC, would let Maya completly drop?

Also, there's no such thing as a "true" canon to this story, so all of these scenarios are possible routes, but none are the "true" version of events because there's no such thing in this game.

So whilst we can discuss the validity and believability of possible alternate routes, if you don't play these proposed "bad" routes and instead see only a good route, then it probably shouldn't matter what happens to the character(s) on these other routes. But, when you're invested in a character, you don't want to know anything bad happens to them on other routes and even when you can get that happy ending, it can sometimes ruin it knowing that other endings go really bad.

 

[Dashxp4k]

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