VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

Regarding Bella's mysterious locked door all I'll say is that if doesn't turn out to be something really serious or impactful then that entire plot point will fall completely flat on it's face given the build up and attention it's been getting.

But what does "serious or impactful" mean, exactly? It can mean different things to different people, and for me it would be enough if it did turn out to be a room full of her husband's things that she's keeping in the hopes he'll one day return. This would be "impactful" from an emotional standpoint as it would reveal her character to be someone who's holding on to the past too much rather than moving on in order to live in the present and embrace a new future. This would give her character some much needed depth and be more than enough for a story like this without having to take Bella in too dark a direction.

Also, just because it's perceived that this has been given a lot of attention doesn't mean that it has to be particularly game-changing. It could just have been DPC deliberately sowing seeds of suspicion of a dark twist in order to have bit of fun with people who think this game is going to be dark like AL, but it isn't, and so this could turn out to be something very simple and not at all dark.

 

[Maviarab]

Or just use the mod to see the answers. Disabling mini-games results in Caleb knocking you down.

Which makes very little difference to anything...sooo....

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

the reverse also works though, indeed it tends to work more: as long as there is mystery, interest remains.

the best solution would be to carry all the stories forward with the same speed, but for now it has not been so, and I have no reason to think things change particularly.

the hypothetical happy ending with Bella is the one that has to overcome more objective obstacles, this makes me think it will be the story that will take longer to define itself. then it may be that the mystery of the husband is solved relatively shortly (from the previews I would not say in the next chapter, therefore at the shortest in 5-6 months), but it will be long.

Yeah, I agree. But at some point you have to solve some things and open others. Shift the mystery a bit, so it doesn't get old. The boots are kind of that, but you have to show the room at some point, even if we don't get to what happened to the husband yet.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But what does "serious or impactful" mean, exactly? It can mean different things to different people, and for me it would be enough if it did turn out to be a room full of her husband's things that she's keeping in the hopes he'll one day return. This would be "impactful" from an emotional standpoint as it would reveal her character to be someone who's holding on to the past too much rather than moving on in order to live in the present and embrace a new future. This would give her character some much needed depth and be more than enough for a story like this without having to take Bella in too dark a direction.

Also, just because it's perceived that this has been given a lot of attention doesn't mean that it has to be particularly game-changing. It could just have been DPC deliberately sowing seeds of suspicion of a dark twist in order to have bit of fun with people who think this game is going to be dark like AL, but it isn't, and so this could turn out to be something very simple and not at all dark.

I agree with you that I would like the "mystery" to have a plausible solution, but not that it proves to be a waste of time.

to be emotionally meaningful for us players it would mean that we should become so involved in Bella's bond with her husband to feel it too. it seems very difficult to me. 80% of the players do not care about either Bella or her husband, the remaining 20% only care about Bella, and the husband is just an obstacle.

it is as if in the letter from MC's mother there was written "only" how much his mother loved him, sentimentally important but for the plot it would be an absolute disappointment

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

But what does "serious or impactful" mean, exactly? It can mean different things to different people, and for me it would be enough if it did turn out to be a room full of her husband's things that she's keeping in the hopes he'll one day return. This would be "impactful" from an emotional standpoint as it would reveal her character to be someone who's holding on to the past too much rather than moving on in order to live in the present and embrace a new future. This would give her character some much needed depth and be more than enough for a story like this without having to take Bella in too dark a direction.

Also, just because it's perceived that this has been given a lot of attention doesn't mean that it has to be particularly game-changing. It could just have been DPC deliberately sowing seeds of suspicion of a dark twist in order to have bit of fun with people who think this game is going to be dark like AL, but it isn't, and so this could turn out to be something very simple and not at all dark.

It doesn't have to be game changing just significant enough in an emotional way for either her, the player or both. A lackluster reveal would not only be disappointing, it would undermine the interest/curious players might have in it as a result of the build up.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Just because this has been given a lot of attention doesn't mean this has to be something really serious or game-changing. People are giving this attention because there is nothing going on with Bella regarding her story, it's been the same since the beginning and now people are overthinking this.

now would it be the fault of the players?

DPC deliberately created this mystery, making everything about Bella a series of "unspoken" facts. so it must be VERY SIGNIFICANT at least in making us understand the relationship and the problems between Bella and her husband, otherwise it will have been a waste of time.

I don't understand what you mean by game-chancing .. any truth about Bella's marriage can only be considered as such

 

[Holy Bacchus]

It doesn't have to be game changing just significant enough in an emotional way for either her, the player or both. A lackluster reveal would not only be disappointing, it would undermine the interest/curious players might have in it as a result of the build up.

The interest/curiosity has been completely drummed up by the players. DPC showed a locked door and everybody's minds (at least here) went wild with theories about miscarriages, a KIA soldier husband, Bella being another Leah, sex dungeons, etc.

DPC hasn't really done anything to make this locked door seem like it's as big a deal as people here make it out to be, so if it turns out be nothing much, then they haven't undermined anything.

now would it be the fault of the players?

DPC deliberately created this mystery, making everything about Bella a series of "unspoken" facts. so it must be VERY SIGNIFICANT at least in making us understand the relationship and the problems between Bella and her husband, otherwise it will have been a waste of time.

I don't understand what you mean by game-chancing .. any truth about Bella's marriage can only be considered as such

This is what you call a "red herring". The TV series "24" did it all the time, in every season, where the first major villain/crisis was never the main one. You knew to expect it but it didn't diminish or negatively impact that show in any way so I don't see this being such a bad thing if it turns out to be nothing major.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This is what you call a "red herring". The TV series "24" did it all the time, in every season, where the first major villain/crisis was never the main one. You knew to expect it but it didn't dimish or negatively impact that show in any way so I don't being such bad thing if it turns out to be nothing major.

everyone chooses the red herring he prefers ...

There are only two clues to Bella's story: the locked room and the nocturnal dialogue with Jill

it doesn't seem like so many clues to me that one of the 2 could be completely meaningless

 

[KKhalduras]

I disagree that it is the best. It is One of the better ones though. Probably is the best college trope one. Writing could be better. Renders are great. It is popular.
as good or better ones:
Heavy Five, City of Broken Dreamers, Timestamps 1&2, Deliverance, Life Happened, Become a Rockstar, Leap of Faith, Sisterly Lust. Those are off the top of my head. Try them out. You can stop hyperventilating about this update a lot easier.

Didnt facepalm you but its just different opinions. City of Broken Dreams for example, I definitely would say that its probably one of the best written stories on here but it still isnt as fun as Being a Dik for me. Again, better written, animated and more creative maybe but the joy i for one have with Being a Dik is just way above it for now.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

The interest/curiosity has been completely drummed up by the players. DPC showed a locked door and everybody's minds (at least here) went wild with theories about miscarriages, a KIA soldier husband, Bella being another Leah, sex dungeons, etc.

DPC hasn't really done anything to make this locked door seem like it's as big a deal as people here make it out to be, so if it turns out be nothing much, then they haven't undermined anything.

I'm not talking about the dumb theories/shit posts that are always posted here, I mean the fact that DPC has had MC personally check out the door multiple times only to always have it locked, showing Bella to get akward when near it, showed her in the room but the camera angle from within facing her so that players only see her but not what's inside, and even going as far as to asking Jill about it. If it isn't somewhat significant why bother giving it this kind of attention?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

everyone chooses the red herring he prefers ...

There are only two clues to Bella's story: the locked room and the nocturnal dialogue with Jill

it doesn't seem like so many clues to me that one of the 2 could be completely meaningless

I'm not saying that it's meaningless, just that it might have less meaning than people are prescribing to it.

People (mostly here) have seen this locked room and assumed it might mean something dark and possibly sinister for Bella's story, but DPC hasn't hinted at that at all. They've given it a mystique, yes, but if it turned out be something as simple as a room full of James's things, then it still has meaning for Bella and her story, and any disappointment people would feel at it being that simple would be because of what they built up in their head and not because of anything DPC to suggest it was more than that.

I'm not talking about the dumb theories/shit posts that are always posted here, I mean the fact that DPC has had MC personally check out the door multiple times only to always have it locked, showing Bella to get akward when near it, showed her in the room but the camera angle from within facing her so that players only see her but not what's inside, and even going as far as to asking Jill about it. If it isn't somewhat significant why bother giving it this kind of attention?

And it would have significance if it was just a room full of James's stuff because that's significant to Bella and her story. So it's not that it would have no significance at all, but that it wouldn't have quite the significance some people might think it might have.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm not saying that it's meaningless, just that it might have less meaning than people are prescribing to it.

People (mostly here) have seen this locked room and assumed it might mean something dark and possibly sinister for Bella's story, but DPC hasn't hinted at that at all. They've given it a mystique, yes, but if it turned out be something as simple as a room full of James's things, then it still has meaning for Bella and her story, and any disappointment people would feel at it being that simple would be because of what they built up in their head and not because of anything DPC to suggest it was more than that.



And it would have significance if it was just a room full of James's stuff because that's significant to Bella and her story. So it's not that it would have no significance at all, but that it wouldn't have quite the significance some people might think it might have.

but it must be meaningful for the story, for us players, not just for Bella.

a room full of her husband's belongings reveals nothing to us. we all expect the husband to have clothes, hobbies etc.

it has to add something to the story, not fill the playtime

 

[Maviarab]

I'm not talking about the dumb theories/shit posts that are always posted here, I mean the fact that DPC has had MC personally check out the door multiple times only to always have it locked, showing Bella to get akward when near it, showed her in the room but the camera angle from within facing her so that players only see her but not what's inside, and even going as far as to asking Jill about it. If it isn't somewhat significant why bother giving it this kind of attention?

Because for some reason the MC is a total nosy bastard with no respect for other people's privacy lol. Like seriously..in the real world...none of his godamn business what's in that room is it? He walks around like he owns the fucking place. This part of the storyline really annoys me actually.

 

[KKhalduras]

The interest/curiosity has been completely drummed up by the players. DPC showed a locked door and everybody's minds (at least here) went wild with theories about miscarriages, a KIA soldier husband, Bella being another Leah, sex dungeons, etc.

DPC hasn't really done anything to make this locked door seem like it's as big a deal as people here make it out to be, so if it turns out be nothing much, then they haven't undermined anything.



This is what you call a "red herring". The TV series "24" did it all the time, in every season, where the first major villain/crisis was never the main one. You knew to expect it but it didn't diminish or negatively impact that show in any way so I don't see this being such a bad thing if it turns out to be nothing major.

i dont know dude. By having jill suddenly stop shortly before going to the kitchen just to turn and slowly try and look into the locked roomwhile having a sad/worried face can be considered as DPC teasing the mystery and obviously emphasizing it but i do agree that people are possibly setting themselves up for dissapointment

 

[Holy Bacchus]

but it must be meaningful for the story, for us players, not just for Bella.

a room full of her husband's belongings reveals nothing to us. we all expect the husband to have clothes, hobbies etc.

it has to add something to the story, not fill the playtime

But it is meaningful for the players if you're invested in Bella and it does mean something to Bella's story. If she is essentially hoarding all of her husband's stuff, then it begs the question, why? What happened between them? Where is he now? Why does she still have his stuff? Why hasn't he ever taken it? Does this mean she hopes to reconcile, and if so, why? Why does she keep holding on to the relationship when it seems over? Is it truly over? Could he ever return some day?

I opens up a myriad of questions, the answers to which can really help to develop Bella's character, far more than if what's in the room was something overly-dramatic.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But it is meaningful for the players if you're invested in Bella and it does mean something to Bella's story. If she is essentially hoarding all of her husband's stuff, then it begs the question, why? What happened between them? Where is he now? Why does she still have his stuff? Why hasn't he ever taken it? Does this mean she hopes to reconcile, and if so, why? Why does she keep holding on to the relationship when it seems over? Is it truly over? Could he ever return some day?

I opens up a myriad of questions, the answers to which can really help to develop Bella's character, far more than if what's in the room was something overly-dramatic.

because they are still married
because Bella says she forgave him and hopes to be forgiven.


a room full of her husband's stuff doesn't answer any new questions

 

[felicemastronzo]

Because for some reason the MC is a total nosy bastard with no respect for other people's privacy lol. Like seriously..in the real world...none of his godamn business what's in that room is it? He walks around like he owns the fucking place. This part of the storyline really annoys me actually.

in a friend's house have you never looked for the bathroom behind the wrong door?

hoping you noticed in time

 

[Maviarab]

in a friend's house have you never looked for the bathroom behind the wrong door?

hoping you noticed in time

No..because always asked them where it is (first time visiting)..also..if I mistakenly tried to open a locked door....I then don't spend the entirety of my time there wondering WTF is behind it and getting others involved. None of my bloody business.

Like seriously..if this is the future of people in general..or the younger generation...I'm glad I never have visitors and have very few friends.

 

[felicemastronzo]

No..because always asked them where it is (first time visiting)..also..if I mistakenly tried to open a locked door....I then don't spend the entirety of my time there wondering WTF is behind it and getting others involved. None of my bloody business.

Like seriously..if this is the future of people in general..or the younger generation...I'm glad I never have visitors and have very few friends.

if your friend/guest reacted as if you were going to find the stuffed mother you would ask yourself any questions ..

I would be happy to be able to answer you about how young people behave ...

 

[Holy Bacchus]

i dont know dude. By having jill suddenly stop shortly before going to the kitchen just to turn and slowly try and look into the locked roomwhile having a sad/worried face can be considered as DPC teasing the mystery and obviously emphasizing it but i do agree that people are possibly setting themselves up for dissapointment

Here's an angle; if it is a room full of James's things, Jill may, as her friend, have tried to encourage Bella to get rid of them because holding on to them wasn't healthy for her after the marriage broke up, and Bella told her she did but she actually just put them in that room. This would explain why Jill looks that way because she suspects that this is what's in the room and she knows that's not good for Bella.

because they are still married
because Bella says she forgave him and hopes to be forgiven.

a room full of her husband's stuff doesn't answer any new questions

But it can reveal something of her character. If her marriage is all but over, then why is she keeping it? Doing so would be something that seems quite worrying for her state of mind that she can't let go of him.

Or what if Bella isn't married? What if she's actually divorced but can't let go and pretends to still be married, or at least that she can get James back? This would be why she keeps his stuff because not only can she not let go of him, but she's hope he'll come back to her.

None of this means that she'll go all psycho-Leah on anyone, and I don't think we'll see anything like that in this game, but it would give her character more depth if she were this mentally scarred from her marriage falling apart.