lemonfreak

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So it would mean that it's just a gameplay variable that you couldn't predict while picking M&J.
No it doesn't make sense that MC wouldn't sleep with a teacher but bang everyone else.
There's even an option to reject Cathy in non M&J playthrough. Why not leave it like that instead of just locking it away? It's up to you if you give a damn about what you said to the girls. Or keep it affinity based so you can still have a scene with Cathy if you're a dik.
It just makes 0 sense story wise.
Totally disagree, I feel that Maya would react badly to the MC fucking a teacher as she takes her schooling very seriously and would especially disapprove of him fucking Jade as she's the Women's Studies teacher, a class Maya takes extremely seriously. Since MC has more brain cells than Dawe I think he would know this and therefore choose not to bang Cathy.
 
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Totally disagree, I feel that Maya would react badly to the MC fucking a teacher as she takes her schooling very seriously and would especially disapprove of him fucking Jade as she's the Women's Studies teacher, a class Maya takes extremely seriously. Since MC has more brain cells than Dawe I think he would know this and therefore choose not to bang Cathy.
It's not a kinetic novel.
YOU are supposed to make those choices for MC and write your hisstory. That's how the whole game worked till this point. It wouldn't be the first stupid choice that you're able to pick in this game. There's even a fucking meter for that, DIK score.
And, you're trying to tell me that it would make it so horrible to 'cheat' on them with a teacher but then it's perfectly fine to fuck 4 other girs during one party and fingerbang a librarian later. Yeah, I'm sure 'Maya would(n't) react badly' to that.
 

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It's not a kinetic novel.
YOU are supposed to make those choices for MC and write your hisstory. That's how the whole game worked till this point. It wouldn't be the first stupid choice that you're able to pick in this game. There's even a fucking meter for that, DIK score.
And, you're trying to tell me that it would make it so horrible to 'cheat' on them with a teacher but then it's perfectly fine to fuck 4 other girs during one party and fingerbang a librarian later. Yeah, I'm sure 'Maya would(n't) react badly' to that.
Did I say I thought Maya and Josy would be ok with MC banging all the girls at the party?
 

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Totally disagree, I feel that Maya would react badly to the MC fucking a teacher as she takes her schooling very seriously and would especially disapprove of him fucking Jade as she's the Women's Studies teacher, a class Maya takes extremely seriously. Since MC has more brain cells than Dawe I think he would know this and therefore choose not to bang Cathy.
Now I wonder how Maya's perception of Jade would change if she knew...
 

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So will I need to delete everything at start from scratch again? Because I only changed some variables through the mod.
If your saves were made with adjusted variables, then you have 2 options, 1) play through the game again without making any changes in order to get clean saves, 2) use the "cheat mod fix" in the OP and hope it still works with Ep 6.

So it would mean that it's just a gameplay variable that you couldn't predict while picking M&J.
No it doesn't make sense that MC wouldn't sleep with a teacher but bang everyone else.
There's even an option to reject Cathy in non M&J playthrough. Why not leave it like that instead of just locking it away? It's up to you if you give a damn about what you said to the girls. Or keep it affinity based so you can still have a scene with Cathy if you're a dik.
It just makes 0 sense story wise.
Agree with this wholeheartedly. From a character standpoint, there's no reason why the MC should be refusing Cathy without the player choosing to do so just because he's chosen to be with M&J. He can be fucking Sage, trying to fuck Jill and Bella, and have fucked Camila, Mona, Riona, Quinn, Nicole, and Sarah at this point, 2 of which he could have fucked at the Prep party just hours earlier, and there's no sign he's going to stop doing anything with them just because he's with M&J, so this makes no sense from a character and narrative standpoint.

The only reason most people have been able to prescribe to it is that Cathy and Jade are basically substitutes for M&J action on the DIK path, but even that seems odd because it assumes everybody on the DIK path would want that yet players can choose to reject them as easily as they can reject pretty much everybody else. So if people on the DIK path wanted M&J but didn't want Cathy and/or Jade, then it's not much of a compensation if they already rejected them.

affinity is irrelevant for Cathy's scene.
In a way it somewhat is, because those on the Neutral/CHICK path who choose M&J are automatically locked out of any more Cathy action, so affinity does come into play here.

Totally disagree, I feel that Maya would react badly to the MC fucking a teacher as she takes her schooling very seriously and would especially disapprove of him fucking Jade as she's the Women's Studies teacher, a class Maya takes extremely seriously. Since MC has more brain cells than Dawe I think he would know this and therefore choose not to bang Cathy.
And how will she react if/when she finds out about Sage? Or Jill? Or Bella? Or Quinn? Or Riona? Or Camila? Etc, etc. This assumes that she would find out, but right now we don't know what's going to happen with regards to all the possible dalliances the MC can have. It could go the same way as AL where he gets called out for being a blatant man-whore and none of the girls want to be with him anymore, but it could also easily not go that way and given how things have been going so far, it doesn't make much sense, story-wise, why the MC can't still get some action with both Cathy and Jade.
 

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Agree with this wholeheartedly. From a character standpoint, there's no reason why the MC should be refusing Cathy without the player choosing to do so just because he's chosen to be with M&J. He can be fucking Sage, trying to fuck Jill and Bella, and have fucked Camila, Mona, Riona, Quinn, Nicole, and Sarah at this point, 2 of which he could have fucked at the Prep party just hours earlier, and there's no sign he's going to stop doing anything with them just because he's with M&J, so this makes no sense from a character and narrative standpoint.

The only reason most people have been able to prescribe to it is that Cathy and Jade are basically substitutes for M&J action on the DIK path, but even that seems odd because it assumes everybody on the DIK path would want that yet players can choose to reject them as easily as they can reject pretty much everybody else. So if people on the DIK path wanted M&J but didn't want Cathy and/or Jade, then it's not much of a compensation if they already rejected them.
Totally agree. If DPC didn't want us players to be on M&J and on Jade and/or Cathy at the same time he could have done it like in Jade's case. We know we can't get both because they are set at the same time, but Cathy left lots of confused people not knowing why they weren't allowed to see the whole scene because there wasn't a good reason to block it.
 

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If I understand correctly Cathy's scene is locked if you're on Maya&Josy path? What's the reason for this? Jade is obviously locked cause you stood her up but there's nothing there that would affect Cathy besides MC's morality I guess. So it still should be up for player to pick.
That is the case. If you get into a three-way relationship with the two, you will not get the opportunity for the Cathy scene. This "might" be a glitch but probably not. If it is, Doc will fix it in the next installment. For now, the only way to get Cathy and the Twain is the use the mod. The mod "fixes" that if you want it.
 

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Totally agree. If DPC didn't want us players to be on M&J and on Jade and/or Cathy at the same time he could have done it like in Jade's case. We know we can't get both because they are set at the same time, but Cathy left lots of confused people not knowing why they weren't allowed to see the whole scene because there wasn't a good reason to block it.
And even with Jade it doesn't necessarily have to be over. It could easily be written that the MC gives her a convincing yet totally BS excuse why he couldn't make it and she gives him a 2nd chance. At the picnic scene, Maya's basically given him a free pass, so why wouldn't he want another crack at Jade? The players should get to decide what they want to do with Jade and with Cathy regardless of what other decision they made with another relationship.
 
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Did I say I thought Maya and Josy would be ok with MC banging all the girls at the party?
Nope, but you said Cathy's scene is locked because Maya could get mad.
If they could get mad because MC banged all the girls at the party, those choices shouldn't be possible either right?

That is the case. If you get into a three-way relationship with the two, you will not get the opportunity for the Cathy scene. This "might" be a glitch but probably not. If it is, Doc will fix it in the next installment. For now, the only way to get Cathy and the Twain is the use the mod. The mod "fixes" that if you want it.
Guessing that DPC didn't take an official stance on this matter then? If that's how he wanted it to be, I'm not betting on him 'fixing' it just cause some people found it to not make sense.
 

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That is the case. If you get into a three-way relationship with the two, you will not get the opportunity for the Cathy scene. This "might" be a glitch but probably not. If it is, Doc will fix it in the next installment. For now, the only way to get Cathy and the Twain is the use the mod. The mod "fixes" that if you want it.
It's in the walkthrough, so it's not a glitch, but it still doesn't make sense that he'd turn her down even after he could have fucked 4 different girls during the party, and gotten a BJ off of 1 or 3 others. If this is meant to represent a "morality" issue, then where was it earlier when he was humping his way through the party? :WaitWhat:
 
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Tuesday, and DPC remains silenced :( Last time he announced the release on a tuesday, I kinda hoped for some good news today, and having episode 6 this friday.
 

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And even with Jade it doesn't necessarily have to be over. It could easily be written that the MC gives her a convincing yet totally BS excuse why he couldn't make it and she gives him a 2nd chance. At the picnic scene, Maya's basically given him a free pass, so why wouldn't he want another crack at Jade? The players should get to decide what they want to do with Jade and with Cathy regardless of what other decision they made with another relationship.
Yeah, I used to think that it might not be over with Jade until the Cathy thing. Now I think it was deliberate to make them exclusive paths. We'll see next episode, I hope.
 
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It's in the walkthrough, so it's not a glitch, but it still doesn't make sense that he'd turn her down even after he could have fucked 4 different girls during the party, and gotten a BJ off of 1 or 3 others. If this is meant to represent a "morality" issue, then where was it earlier when he was humping his way through the party? :WaitWhat:
Oh yeah, if it's in an official walkthrough that's probably a donezo. He could still 'fix' it by adding a potential choice to pick up Cathy's (or Jade's) path later but it would make even less sense as a whole.
 

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Yeah, I used to think that it might not be over with Jade until the Cathy thing. Now I think it was deliberate to make them exclusive paths. We'll see next episode, I hope.
If there's a 2nd chance with Jade, as good as that would be, it would make the Cathy non-decision even more inexplicable.

Oh yeah, if it's in an official walkthrough that's probably a donezo. He could still 'fix' it by adding a potential choice to pick up Cathy's (or Jade's) path later but it would make even less sense as a whole.
The easiest fix would have been to just allow the Cathy choice on the M&J path when they did the 0.5.2 update, then in this next episode we get a chance to salvage the Jade situation. Unfortunately I think we're going to find out for sure that Jade is also blocked on the M&J path in Ep 6, which would then make it much harder to change.
 
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I think she'd feel as betrayed by Jade as MC felt by her and Josy, arguably with far more justification.
Sorry but I don't think she'd be justified to feel betrayed by MC fucking Jade. The fact that MC fucked Jade means he chose friendship route or got rejected by M&J, at that point they aren't a thing, he can freely fuck Jade. If anything it's a bit hypocritical if Maya felt betrayed by him when she rejected MC or is on friendship route. I'd understand if Maya felt betrayed by Jade since her gender studies teacher who is supposed to have morality fucked her student, but who can resist Jade?
 
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The easiest fix would have been to just allow the Cathy choice on the M&J path when they did the 0.5.2 update, then in this next episode we get a chance to salvage the Jade situation. Unfortunately I think we're going to find out for sure that Jade is also blocked on the M&J path in Ep 6, which would then make it much harder to change.
First we'd have to know if the dev actually knows that this concerns some people. I didn't find any way to contact him without being a patron and I'm not really feeling like going through like 1k of pages in this topic to look for answers.
 

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Sorry but I don't think she'd be justified to feel betrayed by MC fucking Jade. The fact that MC fucked Jade means he chose friendship route or got rejected by M&J, at that point they aren't a thing, he can freely fuck Jade. If anything it's a bit hypocritical if Maya felt betrayed by him when she rejected MC or is on friendship route. I'd understand if Maya felt betrayed by Jade since her gender studies teacher who is supposed to have morality fucked her student, but who can resist Jade?
Read again, I didn't say she'd feel betrayed the MC ;)
 
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