VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

Why do you quote me on this one and not on the one that I respond to you about this topic .

If it was what you say Josy would have gotten as much dislike as Maya. She didn't. I grant that Maya and Josy have different personalities and as such Josy handled the situation much better, but that's why I say that Maya was unintentionally toxic. Not that I don't understand where she's comming from, but she made things worse than they should have been.

Josy has also received her fair share of dislike from people saying she led the MC on by having a date with him, having sex with him, and not correcting him when he kept saying she had a boyfriend. But we see Maya a lot more and we do a lot more with her, which is why she gets the brunt of the hate. If you swapped the 2 around, Josy would get all the hate because she would have been the one doing all those things because it's more about how much we did with the character than the character themselves.

Again, had Maya been straight or her girlfriend was someone we didn't know, nobody would care about anything she did if the MC had been able to win her over in the next episode. It's largely been because she's tied to another LI in a relationship and that the MC can be rejected that it's ever been a problem and people who feel that often use the excuse of, "she did bad stuff", when they know they wouldn't give a crap if this was like any other VN where the MC can take a LI from their current partner.

I don't why you keep assuming that the reason people don't like Maya is only because she is with another LI. I don't like Maya because her meek, submissive personality is not attractive to me and that we have no choice but to be dragged into her drama.

You might be unable to see this because she's obviously your favorite but you keep ignoring all the stuff felicemastronzo and others have been saying and keep repeating the same thing and ignoring everything else people are saying.

There are meek, submissive LIs in lots of other games and there are also LIs who are dishonest, currently in relationships, gay, etc. Everything that Maya is exists to varying degrees in other games, but people generally don't give a shit because they know that the MC will always win, that he will always get the girl(s). Here, there's the possibility that he can't, that the relationship these 2 girls are in is stronger than established relationships in other games, and that someone who was their favourite LI is now unobtainable.

Some people might not like the kinds of things that Maya has done on a moral basis, but most people's frustration, particularly those that liked her and/or Josy prior to Ep 4, has stemmed more from the fact that it ties 2 LIs together when they only want one and the MC is not presented at that time as the centre of their universe, as is so often the case in other games.

 

[felicemastronzo]

to much wall of text again Here, drool over this instead. Now, this should have been in the game. May be it will be, also can't help at myself but wonder, how this Jacket would look on Josy

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September 2020 btw

Thank god

MC gave her back the soda ..

the relationship can go on happily

 

[Gladheim]

Come on! everyone to upload photos XD
Im joking

 

[The Bush Diver]

All the tiers in patreon have been blessed with the update already, right? Hope the official walkthrough for ep. 6 doesn't take long to arrive here...

 

[Holy Bacchus]

All the tiers in patreon have been blessed with the update already, right? Hope the official walkthrough for ep. 6 doesn't take long to arrive here...

Not yet. The $5 tier gets the update this Friday which is when the walkthrough should also be released.

 

[Rinbael]

Everything that Maya is exists to varying degrees in other games, but people generally don't give a shit because they know that the MC will always win, that he will always get the girl(s). Here, there's the possibility that he can't, that the relationship these 2 girls are in is stronger than established relationships in other games, and that someone who was their favourite LI is now unobtainable.

I don't get your point here we know there isn't a possibility that the MC won't get a relationship with them. All he needs to do is wait till they eventually break up which we know will happen since there relationship isn't strong and was basically over before Josy appeared.

Some people might not like the kinds of things that Maya has done on a moral basis, but most people's frustration, particularly those that liked her and/or Josy prior to Ep 4, has stemmed more from the fact that it ties 2 LIs together when they only want one and the MC is not presented at that time as the centre of their universe, as is so often the case in other games.

Again you completely ignore what people are saying and repeat the same thing and say they don't like Maya/Josy because they got "cucked." You completely brush off and ignore what other people are saying because you can't seem to understand why some people don't like your favorite character.

 

[moskyx]

I don't get your point here we know there isn't a possibility that the MC won't get a relationship with them. All he needs to do is wait till they eventually break up which we know will happen since there relationship isn't strong and was basically over before Josy appeared.


Again you completely ignore what people are saying and repeat the same thing and say they don't like Maya/Josy because they got "cucked." You completely brush off and ignore what other people are saying because you can't seem to understand why some people don't like your favorite character.

But in the end he's right. There are tons of characters out there who lie, who never come clean across the MC, yet people still love them because "she's a badass but I'll show her what a real man is". Here we have that kind of character and, in the very last moment, when we were thinking she'll be ours, she drops the Josy bomb and prefers to stay with her instead of coming to us. And of course the way our MC reacts to the news, storming out of a potential threesome (that's how your regular lewd game would have handled that situation) add to that bitter feeling. Then people take all those feelings and try to give a rational reason for their anger, and Maya is the common escape as she's the one who had the most screen time and therefore the most chances to make mistakes

 

[shazba]

I am going to continue on my path of DPC is a sub par writer, and a very very superb artist on Daz. He does the wingman trope superbly. Otherwise his writing is bringing down this story. The debates raging now only further my stated opinion, and the OP you responded to and myself often get roasted for being critical, but even Bacchus and Felice and others are getting on the band wagon. DPC hurts himself with his "fuck what everyone thinks attitude, I can write what I want" attitude. Yes he certainly can do that, and is entitled to write his story his way. I have never said otherwise. I have said there are consequences to that approach and I can tell you from my own unpleasant interactions with him, that his ego gets the better of him. Sure he may have 8k patrons, making $300k per month or whatever he is doing now with BaDIK. His future endeavors will be strongly affected by his ability to demonstrate his ability to deliver a good story. He didn't do that in Acting Lessons, as the plot was so riddled with faults that it makes even those who should like gut wrenching stories ask WTF was he thinking?

All that aside, he has set up a story in which we are going to be all led to a melancholy ending. This was supposed to be a college coming of age rom-com. Light hearted-his words not mine. Not some disaster like Acting Lessons. It shows his lack of depth. He takes characters that should be sympathetic, loved even, and turns them into controversy (Josy the original poster girl, Maya the sweet cutie now lying cunt and user((poster opinions, I don't care for her, but not THAT strongly) Bella as the secret axe murderer, Jill (the late adder and now poster girl) having a dick and or being the aunt (or insert any other silly thoughts wanted) I am betting she was just a nerdy overweight teenager until she broke out, and that is where the bullying came from but we have all this shit getting mixed in).

I don't know if he is writing based on some twisted memories of his own life, or spent too much time watching daily soap opera melodramas as a kid. The point of all that is, that he is demonstrating he is not multidimensional in his ability to write.

I think we don't make it to even the 12 episode mark, he is thinning the herd down already, and frankly I think he is probably tired of this story. I am afraid he will rush the ending and we will end up with only 2-4 more episodes. I could easily see it being rushed into two. That would be sad, sure. He has a lot of loose ends to tie up, but can he do them logically? I doubt it. He has a lot going on. Too much to be honest. If he is going to really do justice to the story, we need the 12 episodes, maybe more. I don't know if he has it left in him.
Peace

"Sub par"? What's the par for the course when it comes to porn novellas? If you're comparing DPC with the classics (and even then the classics are debatable), then perhaps sub par is a fair description, and I'm sure you can name a few adult games that are better written, but the par for these kinds of games is extremely fucking low. I'm really happy DPC has stepped in to this genre and tried to provide something more than just a line-up of babes for you to fill every hole. I think he's done a great job in all aspects and I'm thoroughly enjoying the game. There's always room for improvement, and because we don't have a narrator filling in the gaps, there's always room for interpretation, and I feel the discussion here is based on interpretation, not poor writing skills.

When it comes to how this game will finish, I don't know if DPC has already plotted out the entire story from day one or is just winging it each episode. My belief is it feels like the former option with some plot-independent content occasionally thrown in for good measure.

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Josy has also received her fair share of dislike from people saying she led the MC on by having a date with him, having sex with him, and not correcting him when he kept saying she had a boyfriend. But we see Maya a lot more and we do a lot more with her, which is why she gets the brunt of the hate. If you swapped the 2 around, Josy would get all the hate because she would have been the one doing all those things because it's more about how much we did with the character than the character themselves.

Again, had Maya been straight or her girlfriend was someone we didn't know, nobody would care about anything she did if the MC had been able to win her over in the next episode. It's largely been because she's tied to another LI in a relationship and that the MC can be rejected that it's ever been a problem and people who feel that often use the excuse of, "she did bad stuff", when they know they wouldn't give a crap if this was like any other VN where the MC can take a LI from their current partner.

Those can be things to criticize Josy for, but they aren't as bad as Maya's. Either way they were criticized for the things they did, not for being lesbians or being with other LI.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But in the end he's right. There are tons of characters out there who lie, who never come clean across the MC, yet people still love them because "she's a badass but I'll show her what a real man is". Here we have that kind of character and, in the very last moment, when we were thinking she'll be ours, she drops the Josy bomb and prefers to stay with her instead of coming to us. And of course the way our MC reacts to the news, storming out of a potential threesome (that's how your regular lewd game would have handled that situation) add to that bitter feeling. Then people take all those feelings and try to give a rational reason for their anger, and Maya is the common escape as she's the one who had the most screen time and therefore the most chances to make mistakes

but is there any player who at the end of the third chapter thought that MC would not have sex again with Maya and Josy? together or individually be it?
I don't think so, so I don't understand what they should have worried about.

p.s. in the long run Maya also pays for the likelihood of the chosen Li syndrome. the central LI which is still linked to the main story

happened to Meghan from AL, to Chloe from Lancaster ...

 

[kire37]

And the proof? because I could say the same about Maya who looks like my girlfriend

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It is not my girlfriend

and you expect me to show my girlfriend to you ? to this kind of website ? if you not believe in my story thats your problem .
if you think that girl look like maya , than i can put a wig to every girl in this world and you will thinks that maya too

 

[felicemastronzo]

and you expect me to show my girlfriend to you ? to this kind of website ? if you not believe in my story thats your problem .
if you think that girl look like maya , than i can put a wig to every girl in this world and you will thinks that maya too

at this point at least you could post one photo of you with the Maya wig

 

[moskyx]

but is there any player who at the end of the third chapter thought that MC would not have sex again with Maya and Josy? together or individually be it?

I don't think so, so I don't understand what they should have worried about.

Maybe, but after the end of the 4th chapter, when they still had hopes, there were tons of players who suddenly felt they were not going to have sex with any of them because of things they did in chapters 1, 2 and 3. I wasn't around by then but I'm sure hate towards Maya picked up after Ch4 release (a Chapter where she's basically saying she's sorry and chasing you asking for a chance to talk) and not before.

 

[Rinbael]

But in the end he's right. There are tons of characters out there who lie, who never come clean across the MC, yet people still love them because "she's a badass but I'll show her what a real man is". Here we have that kind of character and, in the very last moment, when we were thinking she'll be ours, she drops the Josy bomb and prefers to stay with her instead of coming to us. And of course the way our MC reacts to the news, storming out of a potential threesome (that's how your regular lewd game would have handled that situation) add to that bitter feeling. Then people take all those feelings and try to give a rational reason for their anger, and Maya is the common escape as she's the one who had the most screen time and therefore the most chances to make mistakes

You know it's funny you worded your point much better than he did. The whole storming out thing is something that bugged me but that has already been mentioned a whole bunch of times before so I won't go into it again but if i'm understanding you right what your saying is Maya is basically the scapegoat for a lot of people to direct their feelings toward. I don't understand why people have that feeling since I thought it was obvious that there was going to be solo paths for both eventually. I have no interest in either Josy or Maya so I didn't have those feelings.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Maybe, but after the end of the 4th chapter, when they still had hopes, there were tons of players who suddenly felt they were not going to have sex with any of them because of things they did in chapters 1, 2 and 3. I wasn't around by then but I'm sure hate towards Maya picked up after Ch4 release (a Chapter where she's basically saying she's sorry and chasing you asking for a chance to talk) and not before.

I do not know this

I have come here to the fifth chapter

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I don't get your point here we know there isn't a possibility that the MC won't get a relationship with them. All he needs to do is wait till they eventually break up which we know will happen since there relationship isn't strong and was basically over before Josy appeared.

It's about the initial reaction from people after Ep 4. It seemed, for all intents and purposes, that whether the MC was rejected or he chose friendship, that this was it for them, and given the long wait between 4 and 5, people stewed over this and it cemented this notion that they were done so that when Ep 5 presents the possibility of a solo route, they no longer cared.

Also, the fact that they got back together so easily has made some people see their relationship as "strong" despite everything, and this likely furthered the view of some people that a relationship with them was a non-starter.

Again you completely ignore what people are saying and repeat the same thing and say they don't like Maya/Josy because they got "cucked." You completely brush off and ignore what other people are saying because you can't seem to understand why some people don't like your favorite character.

People say they don't like that she lied, I get that and I haven't been ignoring that as I've been saying that this is a very likely hypocritical viewpoint given that characters lie in other games yet most people don't give a shit so long as they can still get the girl. Maybe some people do have a more principled stance when it comes to this, but I guarantee that most wouldn't give a shit if the MC had a clear path to winning over Maya and she wasn't with Josy.

After Ep 4, it did seem to be the prevailing argument that them reconciling and making the MC feel like a third wheel is what people most had a problem with. They didn't like that, and then came all the arguments about her "deceit", "lies", "manipulation", etc, but it was really just an excuse to cover up the fact that they felt cucked. The Steam forums were also, and may still be, filled with posts and threads that expressed the same sentiment, and some even said that they didn't like it because it was, for them, "cucking".

People didn't mind that she lied about the boyfriend in Ep 1, or that she revealed herself to be gay in Ep 3, but then they did mind all of that when Ep 4 happened because now it was suddenly wrong of her to lie and not be honest even though it wasn't a big deal until then. It's only when her and Josy got put on the same path and the MC could be rejected by them that it became a problem for some people.

Those can be things to criticize Josy for, but they aren't as bad as Maya's. Either way they were criticized for the things they did, not for being lesbians or being with other LI.

Trust me, they have been criticised for that, a lot, and that is often at the heart of some people's arguments.

 

[Arigon]

"Sub par"? What's the par for the course when it comes to porn novellas? If you're comparing DPC with the classics (and even then the classics are debatable), then perhaps sub par is a fair description, and I'm sure you can name a few adult games that are better written, but the par for these kinds of games is extremely fucking low. I'm really happy DPC has stepped in to this genre and tried to provide something more than just a line-up of babes for you to fill every hole. I think he's done a great job in all aspects and I'm thoroughly enjoying the game. There's always room for improvement, and because we don't have a narrator filling in the gaps, there's always room for interpretation, and I feel the discussion here is based on interpretation, not poor writing skills.

When it comes to how this game will finish, I don't know if DPC has already plotted out the entire story from day one or is just winging it each episode. My belief is it feels like the former option with some plot-independent occasionally thrown in for good measure.

I would say that you are correct that it is better than 90% of the AVN available. The problem is when you compare the top tier which is where his Daz skills clearly are, and look at the titles, you are seeing some writing that is exceptional.
Take for instance PhillyGames-friend and mentor of DPC. He still pretty much spanks his protégé hard. The freshman outing for both compared, PG wins hands down. Sophomore effort, PG again, clearly the better writer.
Drifty with his Leap Of Faith, excellent all around, and better writing, and his wingman is on par with Liam and Derek. His girls are frankly on par or possibly even better in a couple of cases. Most importantly, his main character is written superbly and is a very likable fellow. Hell, even the "Bad Girl" is more sympathetic than the Bad Girl here in BaDIK.
Heavy Five from Nottravis is both original, very well written, and is a completely solo effort. Her renders are also top notch.
TimeStamps both editions-much more complicated yet hugely popular, well written and renders that are also spectacular. The story is original and mind blowing.
Life Happened KinkyShop is amazing. The story is gritty, dark, and yet very much more enjoyable. The renders are great. The writing is great.

When compared to say WVM- BaDIK hugely wins. DPC hugely wins, though it is a very popular title. Compared to good writing and renders and delivering over all top notch products, the ones I mentioned, as well as a few I have not listed are the ones to compare it to. Some are unfinished freshman efforts, so it is even more impressive on their parts.
Peace

 

[felicemastronzo]

You know it's funny you worded your point much better than he did. The whole storming out thing is something that bugged me but that has already been mentioned a whole bunch of times before so I won't go into it again but if i'm understanding you right what your saying is Maya is basically the scapegoat for a lot of people to direct their feelings toward. I don't understand why people have that feeling since I thought it was obvious that there was going to be solo paths for both eventually. I have no interest in either Josy or Maya so I didn't have those feelings.

since nobody does it, I defend MC

in truth, the first to escape is Josy, if she had stayed, everything would have come out for sure.

then we try to understand the reasons and the feelings of a bisexual girl, traumatized by what paternal abuses, and we cannot understand the shock of going from having two half-girlfriends to none? when you go crazy there is little to do, as long as he has not done or said worse it went well

then certainly in cold blood and in retrospect he just had to take off his pants

 

[godkingxerxes]

Josy has also received her fair share of dislike from people saying she led the MC on by having a date with him, having sex with him, and not correcting him when he kept saying she had a boyfriend. But we see Maya a lot more and we do a lot more with her, which is why she gets the brunt of the hate. If you swapped the 2 around, Josy would get all the hate because she would have been the one doing all those things because it's more about how much we did with the character than the character themselves.

Again, had Maya been straight or her girlfriend was someone we didn't know, nobody would care about anything she did if the MC had been able to win her over in the next episode. It's largely been because she's tied to another LI in a relationship and that the MC can be rejected that it's ever been a problem and people who feel that often use the excuse of, "she did bad stuff", when they know they wouldn't give a crap if this was like any other VN where the MC can take a LI from their current partner.



There are meek, submissive LIs in lots of other games and there are also LIs who are dishonest, currently in relationships, gay, etc. Everything that Maya is exists to varying degrees in other games, but people generally don't give a shit because they know that the MC will always win, that he will always get the girl(s). Here, there's the possibility that he can't, that the relationship these 2 girls are in is stronger than established relationships in other games, and that someone who was their favourite LI is now unobtainable.

Some people might not like the kinds of things that Maya has done on a moral basis, but most people's frustration, particularly those that liked her and/or Josy prior to Ep 4, has stemmed more from the fact that it ties 2 LIs together when they only want one and the MC is not presented at that time as the centre of their universe, as is so often the case in other games.

Does being a LI matter in the slightest?

Sage is the only LI that cracks my top 5 girls in this game, number 4 if we count all characters.

I never liked Maya, I can't wait to destroy her relationship and get with Josy.

Fucking Josy to fuck with Tommy is a must in this game, DPC gotta deliver. Bonus points if Heather is in the scene too.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

But in the end he's right. There are tons of characters out there who lie, who never come clean across the MC, yet people still love them because "she's a badass but I'll show her what a real man is". Here we have that kind of character and, in the very last moment, when we were thinking she'll be ours, she drops the Josy bomb and prefers to stay with her instead of coming to us. And of course the way our MC reacts to the news, storming out of a potential threesome (that's how your regular lewd game would have handled that situation) add to that bitter feeling. Then people take all those feelings and try to give a rational reason for their anger, and Maya is the common escape as she's the one who had the most screen time and therefore the most chances to make mistakes

What's funny is that I've seen people who bash Maya for not being entirely honest, but who praise and love Quinn, a bona-fide criminal. So it would seem that for some people, not telling the MC that you're gay and have a girlfriend is a far worse transgression than coercing girls into prostitution, selling drugs, physically abusing people, and theatening them to keep quiet.

Maybe, but after the end of the 4th chapter, when they still had hopes, there were tons of players who suddenly felt they were not going to have sex with any of them because of things they did in chapters 1, 2 and 3. I wasn't around by then but I'm sure hate towards Maya picked up after Ch4 release (a Chapter where she's basically saying she's sorry and chasing you asking for a chance to talk) and not before.

I came in a couple of months after Ep 4 released and there was a lot of hate for Maya and Josy, less so now, but there was a consensus among some that this was it for them and that they were cut off completely if you were rejected or went with the friendship route.

I remember, at that time, going back a few hundred pages to see what was being said about both before Ep 4 and it was largely positive with the main arguments against them mostly boiling down to, "she's not my type", and it seemed nobody really had a problem with Maya griding on the MC, lying about the boyfriend, admitting she's only liked girls before, etc. But the sentiment changed rapidly after Ep 4 and a lot of the dislike seemed to come from the fact that they were now bound together and players couldn't get them solo, but also that affinity would prevent them from getting both.