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ChipLecsap

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For me the wierdest part of M/J storyline is when he find they re both in a relationship and he gets angry and depressed. Is just like:
"Oh no, the girl who is cheting on her girlfriend with me is the girlfriend of the other girl who is cheating on her girlfriend with me. Why life is so unfair? I am not sure if i am going to the room of my friend who is going to drive me to the strip club i normally go, to the house of one of the teachers i am sucesfully trying to fuck or to the house of my friend, the sorority president where i will have sex with 6 different girls. Man this sucks".
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Heycock

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Yeah, you got that wrong.

Prior to Josy walking into the dorm and Maya saying that she was her girlfriend, the MC didn't even know that Maya was in a relationship with anyone. It's right there in the game and has been discussed endlessly on this form.

Also the problem that most people have with Josy is that everytime the MC tried to bow out of that relationship Josy practically begged him to stay, leading him on to believe that there was a chance for something more between them and then just dumping him abruptly.

I'm not surprised that you don't understand the scene because it seem's like you havn't even played the game.
It could be, sure. Or maybe we just have different backgrounds and etic opinions. I think that you can't be offended if someone has the same lack of morals you use with them.Thats it
 

Holy Bacchus

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Also the problem that most people have with Josy is that everytime the MC tried to bow out of that relationship Josy practically begged him to stay, leading him on to believe that there was a chance for something more between them and then just dumping him abruptly.
Another reason why that Ep 4 rejection is botched and would have been better if it was only the friendship option.
 
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Heycock

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It's all quite an odd situation because here we have a MC that is all like, "I really like that girl Josy who I worked with over the summer but she has a boyfriend, but maybe I've still got a chance with her since it doesn't seem to be going well and perhaps we'll be together if she gets in to B&R. Gee, that'd be swell!" But then he gets a blowjob off an unknown person through a glory hole, fucks another unknown person through the same glory hole, makes out with his roommate, fingers his roommate/makes out with this other girl he just met/fucks a random HOT, gets a titjob and blowjob off of the sorority president, flirts with the richest girl on campus and asks her out on a date, makes out with the librarian, gets a blowjob/ass fuck from a stripper, lets his teacher jerk him off in class, and gets a naked thighjob from his roommate/has a threesome with 2 HOTs. Then when Josy shows up, he acts like she was in the wrong because, seriously, how could she do that to him? After all, he was saving himself for her. :KEK:

Yeah, that reaction is odd from someone who can be a total manwhore. :cautious:

And sure, this is a porn game so there's supposed to be a level of hedonism, cheating, and unabashed promiscuity without apology for it, but with a game like this that is a cut above the rest in terms of its story delivery, it feels odd giving someone such a moral dilemma when they can be completely amoral most of the time.
You just explained perfectly. The MC has to be that guy so the porn part works, but rather he could take the hit in a different way.
 

DavDR

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It could be, sure. Or maybe we just have different backgrounds and etic opinions. I think that you can't be offended if someone has the same lack of morals you use with them.Thats it
That makes no sense. Who is the MC lying to? Who is he leading on? Who has he deceived?
 

Heycock

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That makes no sense. Who is the MC lying to? Who is he leading on? Who has he deceived?
Come on man. He has been working 5 different girls at least. But you can rise the account up to ¿what, 12?. And sure is not a relationship exactly but Maya and Josy can say the same. Even the MC sometimes think that what he is doing is wrong. We dont care couse is just a fantasy but if you think seriously, well, he isnot exactly loyal.
I will give you still that people are not always fair even when they re inteligent and well intended.
 

DavDR

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Come on man. He has been working 5 different girls at least. But you can rise the account up to ¿what, 12?. And sure is not a relationship exactly but Maya and Josy can say the same. Even the MC sometimes think that what he is doing is wrong. We dont care couse is just a fantasy but if you think seriously, well, he isnot exactly loyal.
I will give you still that people are not always fair even when they re inteligent and well intended.
OK now I'm convinced that you've never played the game or even read the forum post.
 

shazba

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OK now I'm convinced that you've never played the game or even read the forum post.
Which part of his comment are you disputing? Here is each of Heycock's comments completely backed up.

"Come on man. He has been working 5 different girls at least." - Maya, Josy, Sage, Jill, Bella (that'd be 5)

"But you can rise the account up to ¿what, 12?" - Ashley , Cathy, Camila, Envy, Jade, Lily, Mel, Mona, Quinn, Sarah, Riona, Rose (that's 12 more, total count could be 17)

" And sure is not a relationship exactly but Maya and Josy can say the same" - the game spends a lot of time suggesting he's not in a serious relationship with anyone by that time.

" Even the MC sometimes think that what he is doing is wrong." - the mc's words when he is talking to the girls during the breakup scene: "

mc "That I rush into things without thinking."​
mc "Everything I've been doing lately has been on impulse."​
mc "Especially when it comes to women."​

and then later at Bella's after the Cathy cluck:

mc "(I'm getting into way too much trouble without even thinking about the consequences...)"​
mc "(I can't keep on doing this. This ends with Hell Week...)"​
"We dont care couse is just a fantasy but if you think seriously, well, he isnot exactly loyal." - MC considering that he is playing the field:

mc "(I told her I'm falling for her...)" - talking about Jill​
mc "(That's pretty damn big...)"​
mc "(Am I really?)"​
mc "(I mean, I chose Jill over Sage today...)"​
mc "(We said that there were no strings attached, but what about Maya and Josy?)"​
mc "(Bella...)"​
mc "(I've done things with Bella... Jill's best friend...)"​
mc "(What kind of piece of shit am I?)"​
mc "(How can I say that to Jill when she's not the only one?)"​
mc "(I'm lost... Is that how I feel?)"​
mc "(I've played the field without realizing I'm getting close to more than one girl...)"​
mc "(I need to figure myself out before this leads to anyone getting hurt...)"​
mc "(I hope I'm not past that point already.)"​

So what game are you playing?
 
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Hi again, I keep bothering you guys and I hope you can endure me a little bit more :D

Thanks to ename144 and fakitap for sheding a new light towards my "study". Indeed, I have neglected the sophisticated XP generation as I strove for efficiency. But since there is no punishment and a potential gain for waste, I have tried my best to do some reworkings.

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Which part of his comment are you disputing? Here is each of Heycock's comments completely backed up.

"Come on man. He has been working 5 different girls at least." - Maya, Josy, Sage, Jill, Bella (that'd be 5)

"But you can rise the account up to ¿what, 12?" - Ashley , Cathy, Camila, Envy, Jade, Lily, Mel, Mona, Quinn, Sarah, Riona, Rose (that's 12 more, total count could be 17)

" And sure is not a relationship exactly but Maya and Josy can say the same" - the game spends a lot of time suggesting he's not in a serious relationship with anyone by that time.

" Even the MC sometimes think that what he is doing is wrong." - the mc's words when he is talking to the girls during the breakup scene: "

mc "That I rush into things without thinking."​
mc "Everything I've been doing lately has been on impulse."​
mc "Especially when it comes to women."​

and then later at Bella's after the Cathy cluck:

mc "(I'm getting into way too much trouble without even thinking about the consequences...)"​
mc "(I can't keep on doing this. This ends with Hell Week...)"​
"We dont care couse is just a fantasy but if you think seriously, well, he isnot exactly loyal." - MC considering that he is playing the field:

mc "(I told her I'm falling for her...)" - talking about Jill​
mc "(That's pretty damn big...)"​
mc "(Am I really?)"​
mc "(I mean, I chose Jill over Sage today...)"​
mc "(We said that there were no strings attached, but what about Maya and Josy?)"​
mc "(Bella...)"​
mc "(I've done things with Bella... Jill's best friend...)"​
mc "(What kind of piece of shit am I?)"​
mc "(How can I say that to Jill when she's not the only one?)"​
mc "(I'm lost... Is that how I feel?)"​
mc "(I've played the field without realizing I'm getting close to more than one girl...)"​
mc "(I need to figure myself out before this leads to anyone getting hurt...)"​
mc "(I hope I'm not past that point already.)"​

So what game are you playing?
I'm already reading his comment saying that all this is optional
Ohhh fresh air
 
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Arigon

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Ok,It seems perfect to me, I have played many of the ones you mention and I like them but they don't even reach the level of this.
That is strictly your opinion, as my own is mine. You will find more and more folks willing to be critical of BaDIK lately, and that will likely grow if he continues to follow his very poorly received review of Acting Lessons. Only fanbois really "LOVE" Acting Lessons. Most think it was ok writing, great renders for a first effort, and one of the best wingmen ever. The story itself-shit.

You cite in another post I had never been near a fire. Following my stint as an aerospace engineer, when Columbia burned up on re-entry, I was forced to find new employment with the US Department of Homeland Security. I have worked in and around fires, floods, earthquakes, riots, in the pandemic control unit, in domestic security, and hurricanes & tornadoes. I am no stranger to dangerous situations. AL had a bullshit premise that in no way could he haul out both girls who were side by side. With the Athletic trait, he should easily have been able to drag them to a window and toss them out. Would they be hurt? Maybe. Would they be dead? Not likely.

Back to BaDIK-
It unquestionably has a huge following. It has turned DPC into a prima donna who thinks he can do no wrong, and made him a millionaire. I am happy for his success. However I used to be a patron of his (banned for pointing out contradictions and some poor writing choices), and have bought this game on steam, I feel that qualifies me as a fan, even if I am not a complete fanboi. I feel that the following is true:

1-DPC is exercising some demons from his psyche
2-Should he continue on this path, he will lose dramatic numbers of supporters, and in future endeavors will find a much reduced audience willing to put themselves through his self therapy.
3- He could find much greater success if he focused on being the artistic part of a TEAM, where someone else writes the story, and DPC writes minimally if at all, but does all the artwork.

Basically the strong points of DPC all get washed out by his glaring errors, unless you are simply looking for fap worthy renders and anims. Even I, an unpublished author, could write a better story, and there are literally dozens of much better than me, authors on here, who would benefit greatly from DPC quality renders, while writing the actual novels themselves.

But it amounts to a matter of taste. I think you will find an increasing number of critics for DPC stories on here, the closer he gets to the end of BaDIK.
Anyhow- Peace man.
 

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Hi again, I keep bothering you guys and I hope you can endure me a little bit more :D

Thanks to ename144 and fakitap for sheding a new light towards my "study". Indeed, I have neglected the sophisticated XP generation as I strove for efficiency. But since there is no punishment and a potential gain for waste, I have tried my best to do some reworkings.

To make it quick and simple, have a look at the spoiler below.
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Thank you for the information, It's a helpful resource. You might consider including a TL;DR section with your most up to date purchasing and assignment advice, but it's good to see the underlying numbers.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who monitors this thread and appreciates theorycrafting like this, Keep up the good work.
 

Arigon

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MC of BaDIK
1- dork looking
2- completely non relatable
3- unlikable
4- total manwhore. PLUS he has zero ground to stand on, being pissed at Maya and Josy.
5- did I mention how unlikable he is? Yeah I did... x 100000
6- SHOULD end up with no girls due to his whoring around.
7-DavDR and I are completely different people. I am much more of an asshole!
 

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This was fakitap's initial analysis. This was the followup with a spreadsheet.
Thanks for the mentions. Didn't check in here today and could have easily missed this great analysis and discussion :)
I've since been testing different scenarios in the provided spreadsheet but as BadAssPutin mentioned before, the neccessity to basically bruteforce a massive amount of possible combinations finally had me stop now, rather than spending days going "but what if I change this small detail?" xD

Hi again, I keep bothering you guys and I hope you can endure me a little bit more :D

Thanks to ename144 and fakitap for sheding a new light towards my "study". Indeed, I have neglected the sophisticated XP generation as I strove for efficiency. But since there is no punishment and a potential gain for waste, I have tried my best to do some reworkings.

To make it quick and simple, have a look at the spoiler below.
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Hi and it's definitely not a bother. In fact I was shocked that someone was able to set up a modifiable spreadsheet to calculate the best approach. When I first started thinking about the minigame and how to try and go through it efficiently I wanted to do that as well, but thinking about the sheer number of possible order/combination of restored rooms for each Assignment and the fact that I would always have to take into account differences in naturally gained stats (e.g. that someone working in a team of 3 rather than 2 would have to automatically take into account that their Clean/Repair/Salvage will now be 2 higher the next assignment etc.) made me give up on that approach and simply aim for "a possible solution" rather than "something that can cover all possible solutions". As such I'm really impressed by the approach you took to get there. This should make collecting data on how to go through the minigame far less tedious in the future.

As far as the investments go I was fairly sure that Dumpster would be incredible value for its investment (how much exactly is variable since you will likely restore some rooms on your last assignment and these rooms would not generate xp for you. In the order I used it would generate at least 170 xp (technically more because any xp gained like this increase your stats and could lead to more bonus points and thus even more xp generated) for $4 and at least 42.5 xp/$ seemed too tasty to pass up.
However your spreadsheet also made it clear that I was wrong on other accounts when it came to the investments. I had always assumed that the Work-investment would be the worst by far (simply because you spend far less time working than restoring rooms, making it impossible for that investment to lead to decent ROI) and I was a bit iffy about the Salvage-investment (because the rooms generally need less salvage-stats than repair or cleaning, so your salvaging will often overshoot the target value and be wasted) but I was under the impression that the Cleaning- and Repair-Investments were actually worth it (and even went as far as to claim that the Repair investment is "mandatory" early on, since the DIKs are so much worse at that stat). Your sheet has shown that that is not true, which was very good to know.

I failed to find a way to get as close to completion of the minigame in 6 assignments as I did with the investments, but considering the "6 Assignment Plan" is unreliable (expects a lot of work-rerolling and STILL needs you to get 9$ outside of the minigame) and was intended to be more of a "worst case scenario" it really should not matter that 6 says seems more difficult without investments. As soon as you reach 7 Assignments however the non-dumpster investments become obsolete as reaching the stats to work for the extra $15 you now need will always cost you more than the xp you gained from buying them at the start.
They do seem to be in about the expected ranking of usefulness (Repair > Cleaning > Salvaging > Work) but even the Repair-investment is not as worth it as I has estimated it would be. Thanks for the clarification on that :)

When it comes to the topic of xp-maximization however there is an issue that, if my assumption is correct, could make the approach of maximizing xp early far less worthwhile. I'll put that in spoilers because I wouldn't want someone to take it as fact before I'm sure it's actually true (and since I don't know anything about renpy I wouldn't know where to look for the minigame calculations in the scripts to check):

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However I will parrot you and say that reading your discussions and the difference in approach towards the same problem is a pleasure. Doesn't make any of us any less weird for being so invested in the spreadsheet minigame in a game that is about drama and sex, but I'm ok with that :ROFLMAO:
 
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