VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

So you're saying the "Go with Jill" option should have been worded, "Go with Jill and message Sage to see her afterwards", which is exactly what the MC did, even if the choice didn't stipulate it. That's a small issue to be discussing to this extent.

No, I'm saying that the situation could be agreeing to go with Jill first and then getting Sage's call. That's still a hard decision, but there's a difference, it's not a sick friend+a promise vs hanging out, it's a sick friend vs a promise, and in this case it would make more sense for a Chick to pick either morally speaking. And Sage could still be pissed you prefer hanging out instead of helping her, not as pissed, but she could still rethink things and do whatever DPC wants her to do next in that scenario.

 

[MagnmD Ekselle]

Quinn has solidly been in my not with ten foot pole list since day one. I don't give a shit at all about whatever fucked up backstory she has. And certainly don't care about her getting herself into this position. The only way I'm getting involved in her shit is if the game forces you to.

I thought the same way till my 3rd play through... that rooftop scene at the party before the carwash during hell week tho... has me going in with a 1 foot pole now

 

[MagnmD Ekselle]

this is not true, Maya tells him she has a boyfriend and then reveals that it is not true, that it is just a ploy to keep boys away

in fact in the key scene she justifies herself by saying that she was convinced the story was over, and I have no reason not to believe her

I also wrote that Derek didn't have to reveal anything about Maya, he just had to warn Derek to take it easy, and he never does, he jokes about it.

I would have said something to a friend, I would not have waited for him to take the bus in the face, then tell him that it bothered me that my sister had not been so faithful to her previous girlfriend

we have an incredible ease in placing any responsibility on MC while for the other characters we come up with a thousand mitigating circumstances

Jacob, who is almost a stranger, behaves much more like MC's friend than Derek, and we are talking about an almost stranger

the preps joke is completely idiotic, Tybalt complains about the ruined dress, but between furniture and everything we could be responsible for enormous damage, so Jill should have allowed Tybalt to have sex with her mom and dead sister too not to report us


Derek isn't bad, neither is Jar Jar, he's just completely untrustworthy, the classic person you enjoy being around but would never call to solve a serious problem

Jacob is the Truest DIK bro. Derek hasnt done anything bad enough to warrant, hes completely untrustworthy?

 

[moskyx]

So you're saying the "Go with Jill" option should have been worded, "Go with Jill and message Sage to see her afterwards", which is exactly what the MC did, even if the choice didn't stipulate it. That's a small issue to be discussing to this extent.

No, he is saying Sage's call for help should have come after Jill's proposal. Having a CHICK MC to choose between staying true to his word given to a friend in need and going out wth a girl he's interested in (a girl who apparently shares that CHICK personality that should put friendship and honesty above all) is just cruel if it's intended. If it's not, it shows a bad DIK-CHICK system implementation that leads to bad characterization.

A CHICK person, as it's shown during the game, is loyal, polite, supportive of his friends and tries to do what is socially correct. He has already promised to go and help out a sick friend. Then another friend, a romantic interest but also a person who share those traits, comes out of the blue to ask you for a hangout and you don't know what's actually behind that proposal (a last dance before parting ways with you that forces you to declare your love for her). A consistent, coherent and uninformed CHICK would choose to go to Sage. Now, if Jill asks you out and then a second later Sage calls you for help, that's an actual dilemma for a CHICK

 

[shazba]

No, I'm saying that the situation could be agreeing to go with Jill first and then getting Sage's call. That's still a hard decision, but there's a difference, it's not a sick friend+a promise vs hanging out, it's a sick friend vs a promise, and in this case it would make more sense for a Chick to pick either morally speaking. And Sage could still be pissed you prefer hanging out instead of helping her, not as pissed, but she could still rethink things and do whatever DPC wants her to do next in that scenario.

Now I get it, you’re saying the world events should revolve around the main characters personality so as to not generate conflicting scenarios? As opposed to the main character having to deal with random world events regardless of his personality?

 

[shazba]

No, he is saying Sage's call for help should have come after Jill's proposal. Having a CHICK MC to choose between staying true to his word given to a friend in need and going out wth a girl he's interested in (a girl who apparently shares that CHICK personality that should put friendship and honesty above all) is just cruel if it's intended. If it's not, it shows a bad DIK-CHICK system implementation that leads to bad characterization.

A CHICK person, as it's shown during the game, is loyal, polite, supportive of his friends and tries to do what is socially correct. He has already promised to go and help out a sick friend. Then another friend, a romantic interest but also a person who share those traits, comes out of the blue to ask you for a hangout and you don't know what's actually behind that proposal (a last dance before parting ways with you that forces you to declare your love for her). A consistent, coherent and uninformed CHICK would choose to go to Sage. Now, if Jill asks you out and then a second later Sage calls you for help, that's an actual dilemma for a CHICK

I’m sorry but that’s ridiculous to expect world events to cater to the mc’d personality...

 

[moskyx]

Now I get it, you’re saying the world events should revolve around the main characters personality so as to not generate conflicting scenarios? As opposed to the main character having to deal with random world events regardless of his personality?

But the point is that those scenarios forces the player to go against his characterization! How can a CHICK MC be penalized by the most CHICK LI for making a CHICK decision, according to what the game has taught us a CHICK is?

 

[MagnmD Ekselle]

It's clearly more than some selfish desire to hang onto his maggot brother required for Hell week. Derek considers the MC his friend & wants to spend time with him at every opportunity.

I certainly wouldn't be revealing intimate secrets of my immediate family to some guy I met a week ago, even if we're friends. Who'd throw their family under the bus? Derek warns the MC off his sister from the start, he can't do much more without betraying his sisters confidence. The MC already knows she's in a relationship & carries on anyway. This is one occasion where I'd do the same as Derek & keep the secret, it's not his to tell.

Yes? He's trying to help his friend have some fun to take his mind off the drama. It's stupid, but that doesn't mean Derek isn't being a bro.

No doubt he's also eager for the MC to move on, because he's not at all keen on him dating his sister regardless of the circumstances.

It's not about the effort, it's the motivation. Derek wants everyone to celebrate his friends b'day. It's not like Derek is getting anything out of it beyond partying with his friends.

No debate there, Derek constantly acts like an idiot. A friendly, well meaning idiot. I wouldn't be able to stand Derek in IRL, but I'm not the MC. I wouldn't make many of the choices the MC makes either.

Derek knows next to nothing about MCs relationship with Jill & certainly didn't know about the piano or it's importance to her. If anything the fault is with the MC here, he's the one who's aware of that stuff but doesn't do anything to halt Derek. From Derek's perspective he's just pranking the preps, which all the DIKs including the MC are onboard with.

He's no Liam, but he's certainly got the MCs back & is a solid party-boy wing-man. I like him well enough for the comic relief.

well said

 

[MagnmD Ekselle]

But the point is that those scenarios forces the player to go against his characterization! How can a CHICK MC be penalized by the most CHICK LI for making a CHICK decision, according to what the game has taught us a CHICK is?

such is life

 

[shazba]

such is life

Exactly. The world shouldn’t be designed around he MC’s personality.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Was sick yesterday and finally got around to catching up with this game. Hammered out eps 4-6. And man, 5 and 6, things are taking a turn, huh? I like the tension thats come from the consequences of actions. Definitely going to have to think more on future choices. Kind of feel like an ass for sharing the video of Jade now, though.

My only real complaint was how choosing to help Quinn after she got mugged led to a forced sex scene with her. Would've like a choice on that. Save scumming solved that, though.


All in all. I gotta say. Hell of a game. Looks great. Animations are great. Music is great. (I still have the Bella song from ep5 in my head. Such a damn good song.) Can't wait for more. Can't wait to hate waiting for more.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Exactly. The world shouldn’t be designed around he MC’s personality.

if the premises are that unexpected things happen in life and that people sometimes behave in an illogical and inconsistent way, then writing a realistic story becomes really, really easy.

I don't support the position of moskyx and Wizard_Shiryuu , because I don't believe in the DIk-Chick system, it's so vague that I don't give it any meaning.

but if the behaviors between two characters do not take into account the "values" that these two characters have shown up to that moment, everyone can do anything

Jill can hire a killer (Bella?) and have Tybalt killed, in life even good people sometimes do very bad gestures

Sage can ask Mc to convince Chad to participate in a threesome, for love sometimes people do strange things

 

[StopMeIfYouCan]

Do we know how many seasons will be? Or how many episodes left? Thx

 

[moskyx]

But this is not life, this is a scripted game in which characters are not acting the way they have been portrayed so far and the consequences of the choices presented are not consistent with that characterization.

Ok, let's accept MC promise Sage and then Jill appears. Do you agree that going to Sage (keeping a promise to a friend in need) is more CHICK than ditching her? Then why you can't explain yourself properly to Jill, and why do you lose points with the most CHICK girl?

The game is constantly cheating itself

 

[felicemastronzo]

Do we know how many seasons will be? Or how many episodes left? Thx

no, it could be 3 seasons of about 12 episodes in total

Previously it looked like they were 4 seasons of 16-20 episodes

 

[Wizard_Shiryuu]

Now I get it, you’re saying the world events should revolve around the main characters personality so as to not generate conflicting scenarios? As opposed to the main character having to deal with random world events regardless of his personality?

No, you still don't.

I don't support the position of moskyx and Wizard_Shiryuu , because I don't believe in the DIk-Chick system, it's so vague that I don't give it any meaning.

I think a personality system could be fine if properly implemented, but I agree that this way is too vague.

 

[moskyx]

if the premises are that unexpected things happen in life and that people sometimes behave in an illogical and inconsistent way, then writing a realistic story becomes really, really easy.

but if the behaviors between two characters do not take into account the "values" that these two characters have shown up to that moment, everyone can do anything

Very much this. There's a thin line between unexpected turns and incongruent plots

 

[shazba]

if the premises are that unexpected things happen in life and that people sometimes behave in an illogical and inconsistent way, then writing a realistic story becomes really, really easy.

I don't support the position of moskyx and Wizard_Shiryuu , because I don't believe in the DIk-Chick system, it's so vague that I don't give it any meaning.

but if the behaviors between two characters do not take into account the "values" that these two characters have shown up to that moment, everyone can do anything

Jill can hire a killer (Bella?) and have Tybalt killed, in life even good people sometimes do very bad gestures

Sage can ask Mc to convince Chad to participate in a threesome, for love sometimes people do strange things

Are you saying Jill getting quietly upset when she put together a picnic for the MC (but graciously accepting the rejection) is out of character?

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

Sage can ask Mc to convince Chad to participate in a threesome, for love sometimes people do strange things

Foursome. And she can say it was your idea so you have to go along with it

 

[shazba]

But this is not life, this is a scripted game in which characters are not acting the way they have been portrayed so far and the consequences of the choices presented are not consistent with that characterization.

Ok, let's accept MC promise Sage and then Jill appears. Do you agree that going to Sage (keeping a promise to a friend in need) is more CHICK than ditching her? Then why you can't explain yourself properly to Jill, and why do you lose points with the most CHICK girl?

The game is constantly cheating itself

The Mc does explain to Jill and she accepts it, of course she’s presented to still be a human who put together a picnic for someone she likes for his birthday and she got rejected, she’s going to feel let down even if she understands.