VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Phynix]

You know that I am going to give you the reason simply to end this stupid discussion eyy_b0ss sorry for you also I did not know that it was going to bother you so much maybe because the fans of Maya and Josy are used to that treatment that is given every day and well I thought we were all kidding at the end

It does cross the line sometimes, doesn't it? To be fair, I wasn't part of that discussion anyway so...just wanted to mention that it can get annoying if it goes on for several pages. Of course I can't speak for everyone, so maybe it was overreacting on my part.

 

[Kellermann]

Hugh G. Rection
I am not a Quinn fan but that is a great sig for her. Well done! I am a die hard Bella fan

I thought you were a die hard Sage fan.

 

[DavDR]

i don't think mona was expelled for backing off the deal

the epilogue only shows us that her "free tuitionship" deal was off and now, not having the money herself, she has to leave. just like maya could if the same thing happens to her

I'm not so sure Mona is experiencing tuition problems. She was already enrolled and presumably had paid her first semester tuition. When she hears about the Free Tuition option of course she goes for it, but I don't think it was her only financial option.

 

[DavDR]

There's plenty of dialogue if you look for it, the question is one of intent. You assert - without any proof, I might add - that Josy is deliberately misleading the MC purely to keep him around her. If we assume the MC is likewise motivated purely by a selfish desire to use Josy for his own benefit, there are several occasions where he clearly signals his "interest" in Josy.

For example, immediately after the first date ends and he says it might be better if he didn't see her again, he gives her his sweatshirt. Note that this is before her "not farewell" line, so the MC is the one who begins the trend of implicitly showing interest in despite saying they should break ties.

Spoiler: Sweatshirt

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Then there's the call on the first night of college. Josy says it was a mistake to call, and the MC immediately asks to come visit her. You assert that Josy interrupts the MC when he has second thoughts. Here the MC does that same thing to her.

Spoiler: Call

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There's also the the MC's response when Tina tells him Josy quit her job. Josy isn't here to interrupt and there are no second thoughts. He's still determined to keep her, all on his own initiative.

Spoiler: Josy Quit

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Finally, we have the dialog in their second date just before she offers to let the MC spend the night. Josy explains that she is feeling guilty. The MC, without any interrupted second thoughts, suggests that she she wants more to happen with the MC. Would Josy have made her offer if the MC didn't lead her into it?

Spoiler: 2nd Date

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To be clear, I don't think the MC was manipulating Josy any more than Josy was manipulating him. I think both of them wanted contradictory things: to respect Josy's existing relationship, and to act on their mutual feelings for each other. Unsurprisingly, that results in a lot of mixed signals and intimate heart-to-heart moments between the two.

If you insist on viewing Josy as the villain in this, I can't stop you. But I'm not aware of any evidence from the game that explicitly supports your view and refutes mine. So I suspect we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

That is the most ridiculous reply I ever read. If you're that desperate for a counter argument take some more time to think about it, but this was just so much drivel that proved nothing. The MC was manipulating Josy with a sweatshirt? Seriously?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

That is the most ridiculous reply I ever read. If you're that desperate for a counter argument take some more time to think about it, but this was just so much drivel that proved nothing. The MC was manipulating Josy with a sweatshirt? Seriously?

Perhaps if you read past that part you'll see that they actually make a good point about the MC not wanting to give up on Josy and it's entirely his choice, not because he's being "manipulated" by her. Also, on the subject of the sweatshirt, that's something that could easily send a signal to Josy, whether intentional or not, that makes her feel as though he doesn't want to give up on her because it's such a kindhearted gesture and so she in turn doesn't want to give up on him as a result of it, hence why she hugs him and says it's just "goodbye" and not "farewell". She might be reading too much into it, but it could certainly be seen as a gesture of intent.

 

[moskyx]

That is the most ridiculous reply I ever read. If you're that desperate for a counter argument take some more time to think about it, but this was just so much drivel that proved nothing. The MC was manipulating Josy with a sweatshirt? Seriously?

You should try to be a little more polite on public forums, man. Stop calling every elaborated counter-argument 'ridiculous' or you'll soon run out of people wanting to discuss anything with you (or even read your own reasons)

 

[rj677]

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can't get around the stupid dark screen library warning... something is going to happen with Bella, and I am going to end up getting my dick fried off when I piss on DPC's computer in Sweden as a result.

Well Well Well, how the tables have turned... seems like the biggest drama DPC is gonna face isnt going to be in BaDIK

Now the question is: Will Arigon dick get fried off?

PS: RUN Yuno Gasai, RUN

 

[DavDR]

Perhaps if you read past that part you'll see that they actually make a good point about the MC not wanting to give up on Josy and it's entirely his choice, not because he's being "manipulated" by her. Also, on the subject of the sweatshirt, that's something that could easily send a signal to Josy, whether intentional or not, that makes her feel as though he doesn't want to give up on her because it's such a kindhearted gesture and so she in turn doesn't want to give up on him as a result of it, hence why she hugs him and says it's just "goodbye" and not "farewell". She might be reading too much into it, but it could certainly be seen as a gesture of intent.

Are you familiar with the phrase Grasping at straws? This is why this argument keeps popping up in the thread. Having made a sincere effort to present the reason's, based in evidence from the game, that we dislike these characters and we resent being forced to attend them again and again, we are rebutted (allegedly) with arguments like this

1. We hate them because we can't have them because, oh they are so perfect
2. We hate them because they are gay and we're all problematic bigots, boo hoo.
3. We just have to accept them because it's the plot, so there!
4. The MC gave one of them an old sweatshirt???

 

[Zirael Q]

that part doesn't convince me very much.

if Mona is a danger to Burke, what does making her go away? wasn't it better to keep her in BR under Quinn's control anyway?

we have seen that under pressure Mona does not hold up and tends to say things she shouldn't, far from BR she could tell what happened to anyone.

and even Quinn as a criminal mind is worth nothing, all her moves are dictated by desperation, there is no strategy, she is like a gambler who is losing a lot of money and for this she continues to bet more and more, with more and more risks . she has a poker face, but bad cards in hand

going to the Preps was a failure, getting drugs for Rick another failure ...

not necessarily tho, maybe not a threat but Burke is a special kind of asshole. Not only he revoked Mona's scholarship, therefore her tuition and she lost her privileges as a student. Sure, just taking the scholarship would've been enough, but Burke is an asshole and it just blew up on her face. Hope we see her again, I liked her attitude and how she acts overall. She'd been a good friend at least

 

[Yuno Gasai]

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Woah, I haven't been able to follow the thread for the past few days, SO IDK WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON, but I guess my subliminal messages are now being exposed lol.

here, Yuno Gasai is about to take the big step...
and I will be able to say that I knew him

I'm sorry, who are you, sir?

Well Well Well, how the tables have turned... seems like the biggest drama DPC is gonna face isnt going to be in BaDIK

Now the question is: Will Arigon dick get fried off?

PS: RUN Yuno Gasai, RUN

 

[ThePresident451]

I'm just following your directions "oh great Arigon the one who sees everything and the one who knows everything"
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Why the facepalms guys? I think it was pretty clear.



Nice try, and even nicer own goal

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Are you familiar with the phrase Grasping at straws? This is why this argument keeps popping up in the thread. Having made a sincere effort to present the reason's, based in evidence from the game, that we dislike these characters and we resent being forced to attend them again and again, we are rebutted (allegedly) with arguments like this

1. We hate them because we can't have them because, oh they are so perfect
2. We hate them because they are gay and we're all problematic bigots, boo hoo.
3. We just have to accept them because it's the plot, so there!
4. The MC gave one of them an old sweatshirt???

There is no real "evidence" that shows these characters to be what M&J dislikers try to paint them out to be, there's just personal interpretation/views coupled with poor handling of the smaller details by DPC that perhaps hasn't served them well, but there is no truly hard, objective evidence that says they are terrible characters, that's merely opinion.

What ename144 provided, however, was solid reasoning, with lines from the game itself, that show that the MC was not willing to let Josy go and that none of this had anything to do with Josy "manipulating" or "using" him, but you're too fixated on the sweater, which could be interpreted as a romantic gesture by the way, to see that ename144 made a good point on this one issue. Rather than address it or even hold your hands up and say, "OK, fair enough", you're dismissing it out of hand in a way that seems like you just don't want to admit that they have a valid point.

Honestly, this whole notion that just because you personally don't like a character or characters means you shouldn't have to deal with them is absurd. You all seem to be forgetting that this is not a sandbox game, you don't have full autonomous control over the MC's actions and the MC is clearly not someone that is going to cut these people out of his life, so suck it up and deal with it.

 

[kang34]

Can anyone tell me how/where to check RP each character?

 

[ename144]

Are you familiar with the phrase Grasping at straws? This is why this argument keeps popping up in the thread. Having made a sincere effort to present the reason's, based in evidence from the game, that we dislike these characters and we resent being forced to attend them again and again, we are rebutted (allegedly) with arguments like this

1. We hate them because we can't have them because, oh they are so perfect
2. We hate them because they are gay and we're all problematic bigots, boo hoo.
3. We just have to accept them because it's the plot, so there!
4. The MC gave one of them an old sweatshirt???

Rubbish. You've done nothing more than repeatedly assert that Josy's motives are malign and therefore everything she does is an act calculated to keep the MC on her hook. When I propose the same thing about the MC's motives and show comparable examples of him keeping Josy on the hook, you say it's the most ridiculous argument ever and I'm grasping at straws.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Can anyone tell me how/where to check RP each character?

You can't. Those stats are hidden and can only be revealed if you install the mod.

 

[DavDR]

There is no real "evidence" that shows these characters to be what M&J dislikers try to paint them out to be, there's just personal interpretation/views coupled with poor handling of the smaller details by DPC that perhaps hasn't served them well, but there is no truly hard, objective evidence that says they are terrible characters, that's merely opinion.

What ename144 provided, however, was solid reasoning, with lines from the game itself, that show that the MC was not willing to let Josy go and that none of this had anything to do with Josy "manipulating" or "using" him, but you're too fixated on the sweater, which could be interpreted as a romantic gesture by the way, to see that ename144 made a good point on this one issue. Rather than address it or even hold your hands up and say, "OK, fair enough", you're dismissing it out of hand in a way that seems like you just don't want to admit that they have a valid point.

Honestly, this whole notion that just because you personally don't like a character or characters means you shouldn't have to deal with them is absurd. You all seem to be forgetting that this is not a sandbox game, you don't have full autonomous control over the MC's actions and the MC is clearly not someone that is going to cut these people out of his life, so suck it up and deal with it.

The MC was not willing to let Josy go? I guess that's why he said, Farewell? Yup, grasping at straws here. BTW nice composite of all of your usual (so called) arguments in one post, except you forgot to call me a bigot.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

The MC was not willing to let Josy go? I guess that's why he said, Farewell? Yup, grasping at straws here. BTW nice composite of all of your usual (so called) arguments in one post, except you forgot to call me a bigot.

Your refusal to acknowledge the various examples that ename provided speaks volumes.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm sorry, who are you, sir?

I am the past ...

don't worry, just run to glory !!!

 

[DavDR]

Your refusal to acknowledge the various examples that ename provided speaks volumes.

Yes, I'm terrible. I refuse to refute the arguments of Flat Earthers too.

 

[sbarabaus]

I very much agree and this is where my biggest issue with the affinity system lies because it so often contradicts the actions of the player/MC which I feel should matter the most in determining his relationships with them. I honestly think it's more complex to have these 3 systems (affinity, status, and actions) running on top of each other rather than just assign a marker to important actions that can be recalled later. This, to me, would be easier than assigning things to certain paths and would make more sense in terms of how characters perceive him.



But the thing is that you can treat Quinn relatively the same on both paths, yet one rewards you just because of an affinity check. It's exactly the same as the M&J situation in Ep 4 where all paths can do the same things with them yet you're rejected for your affinity even though the sum of your actions with these characters would suggest that you shouldn't be.

His personality, therefore, as far as these people are concerned, shouldn't seem to be something that they don't like since they've only seen one side to them and it's a side they like. This is entirely anecdotal, but years ago I worked with someone who was very different from me personality-wise. There were very outgoing, quite crass at times, and could be quite inappropriate, but we got on very well and became quite good friends depsite being so different. I liked them, bonded with them over some common interests, and came to trust them because they proved it to me in their actions.

Being different in personality doesn't have to mean you don't like someone because you can be different and still like/trust each other, and with all the things the MC can do with Quinn, this should build at least the beginnings of trust no matter what affinity he has and make her accept his help on any path.

i think this still works better with quinn than with M&J

your interactions with quinn in the previous chapters were nothing but harmless fun, sex and pranks
you may've done them all: the cum-petition, the restaurant, smoking on the roof, but all these situations happen between you and the mask quinn shows to everybody else
she probably has done the same with many other guys before
in chapter 6 you meet her when she's weak, hurt and vulnerable, and she'll accept your help only if she feels the connection between you is real because she's about to allow you to see a side of her that she always keeps hidden
now, you may say "this could work with a CHICK as well", but i think she's just an opposite-jill, who even if you treat here well will only accept you if you're a good guy

i'm not saying i want a "saving quinn" type of storyline (*) but to me chapter 6 is the moment when for MC quinn stops being just an occasional side fuck and becomes a potential legit LI

EDIT: sorry if it's necroposting

(*) in fact, i'd love to help quinn taking over the HOTs, turning the sorority into a full-fledged brothel and sending sage to the gloryhole - not that i think i'll get my wish... now, if only this was an evakiss game