You, my friend, are stuck in a sticky situation. I recommend just replaying the game and going in the different routes so that you don't miss out on any of them in future updates!
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Sage from ep. 1 would be self-serving, but Sage from ep. 2-7 is definitely a interested in being a better leader for the HOTS. She already told Quinn to handle the situation of three daughters leaving the sorority, which is a reputation-killer, and now she is finally following up after starting to see that Quinn isn't who she assumed she was.
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Excuse you is right. What kind of idiot would confirm free tuition with the VP of a sorority? Any person with a brain would confirm free tuition with the registrar or the tuition office, not with another student. And they would do it before the enroll, not after. Yes, it is Maya's fault for asking the wrong person the wrong question hoping for the right answer. Stop blaming other people for Maya's failure to adult.
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Anyway, this is what I loved about the new update
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I din't know why it's hard to accept for everyone. C7 look at sage face when she sees chad. If chad asked her, Sage would have fucked chad at front of mc.
Yeap ! Once a cheater, Always a cheater.
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But as many players have bitterly pointed out, the MC still treats Maya as his friend even if she rejects him in Episode 4. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but compare that to how Quinn treats Tommy at the end of Episode 7. The MC can be self-centered and crude, but even at his worst he never views people around him as chew toys unless they've gone out of their way to antagonize him (like, say, Tybalt by the end of Episode 7).I don't care if Quinn is like the MC, personally I like Quinn's character more than the MC's but I'll never pass up a chance to butt in and talk about muh queenNow obviously a DIK MC is infinitely more alike Quinn than a CHICK MC, don't think that's debatable, so let's talk baseline because that's more interesting.
Baseline, we know the MC grew up poor as you said, alike Quinn, so they faced similar class challenges. They both love their father, although I guess you can treat him pretty badly imo in the game so let's just say what we know of the MC's history indicates he only had his father to depend on, like Quinn.
I would argue that the MC's baseline is not more empathetic than Quinn at all, let alone substantially, based on one event - the MC kicking the shit out of that kid in high school during the flashback we see. We know that Quinn is a nasty bully bitch drug dealing whore but she never does anything to anyone approaching that level of violence and aggression. We don't know if Quinn would even want to, I'm not saying she's harmless by any means but when she gets punched in the face in the rain she doesn't try to fight back at all, she becomes timid and defeated. This isn't necessarily an argument as to why Quinn and MC are alike but more stating that they're not as far apart as you make it seem as far as empathy goes.
The MC did step into a leadership role after Episode 5, but you'll notice that he does so only in an unofficial capacity. He never contradicts Rusty (or even Tommy), and always gets their support before taking any action; he wouldn't even agree to plan the Halloween party without checking with Rusty first.
Quinn is firmly in the "better to seek forgiveness than ask approval" camp. She routinely conceals things from Sage (to the point she has her own personal redlight district). When things blow up in her face after the Scavenger Hunt, she carefully tailors her report to Sage to maximize the chances Sage will agree with Quinn's preferred course of action. When Sage overrules her, Quinn proceeds to half-ass her task (indeed, I'd argue she deliberately undermines her efforts with Maya).
So again, I see very little in common here. The MC winds up in charge despite his best efforts because he's the only one able to handle the task. Quinn cashes in on Sage's authority but uses it to do whatever she pleases with no regard for Sage's wishes. To the extent both are leaders, their approaches could hardly be more opposite.
I've already said my piece on Quinn never being shown kindness, so I won't rehash it here. Besides, I sincerely hope you are right. But I'm going to remain skeptical until I actually see Quinn take an action - any action - that actually shows she would place the MC's interest over her own. Because thus far it just hasn't happened. The only time the MC is able to connect with her is when he's doing things she wants/needs him to do AND is going about it in more or less the manner Quinn would prefer.
That *could* be the setup for the MC to earn her trust and finally encourage her vestigial altruism to surface, but it could just as easily be the case of Quinn taking advantage of the MC the same way she takes advantage of everyone else (it's just more friendly because she didn't need to twist his arm). We won't know until Quinn actually has to make a meaningful choice. So far the closest she's got is saying the MC shouldn't give her his money for nothing, which ain't much - especially when she accepted any money he gave Riona in Episode 5.
Now Quinn has been less of an asshole towards him recently; that's not saying much, but it is at least a start. So maybe this will eventually show us some actual depth from Quinn. But if so I think it will be a ways off, because we're barely at the start of her journey.
Maya DID ask about it. The problem is that Quinn flat out lied to her. Since she was the HOT VP and Maya's official contact person (even if she raised an objection), Maya assumed that Quinn wouldn't be able to blatantly lie about that without the rest of the HOTs knowing about it. Unfortunately, Sage was asleep at the switch for the first 6.25 episodes, so Quinn was free to lie.
Yeah, if only Maya had the courage to slap someone who behaved inappropriately towards her...
Maya is certainly the most illustrative example of Quinn's problem, because Quinn has gone so far out of her way to make Maya's life as much of a living hell as she can manage despite Maya never doing anything worse to Quinn than (probably) letting her disapproval of Quinn's lifestyle show. You don't have to be a Maya fan to recognize that's a bad look.I said it before, I'll say it again. The problem is Quinn's attitude to them and Maya. If Quinn wasn't a "mean bitch" to others, didn't fuck with Maya, didn't show she didn't care what others think about her, didn't fuck with people they wouldn't at least act that way. Saw some people saying she should get killed and thrown inside garbage truck
Basically every other character is relatable whatever they do in their eyes, except Quinn. Someone with a drug dealer father and a junkie mother who used so much crack she lost her senses. She doesn't recognize her own daughter. Her dad is either in jail or got killed. Her father's best friend/partner, essentially their "family friend" is her "supplier" now. She was born into this life and she had no choice. She grew up in that house. Now she goes back there to get supplies and sell them so she can make a living with her "cut".
We also don't know when she lost her dad. Cuz after that point, she couldn't rely on anyone anymore.
But hey, fuck her sideways. She doesn't deserve empathy, she obviously chose that life you know. She should have known better and leave that life behind her when she was 6 years old, after she learnt how to read and write.
Meanwhile, let's all emphatize with Maya, she's gone through hell, what did she to do to deserve this? If we do a recap, I believe she has both her parents and a twin brother who is and was there all her life. Yeah, her father is a cunt, but he's still there. She has something can be called "family". When did her issues start with her dad? A few years ago? When she discovered her sexual identity and started a relationship with Josy.
Like all this was not enough, poor thing believed Quinn of all girls that a free tuition existed, didn't even bother asking the actual person who was responsible with how things went around the frat house. Imagine going through this for a month meanwhile getting support and help from Josy and MC. Now Sage decided to help her honestly too.
What the fuck is what Quinn went through compared to that? She is a criminal needs to be shunned, locked up, even killed.
But it does go beyond that. Quinn will berate and slap Riona when she doesn't rubber stamp Quinn's idiotic plans. She ditches the DIKs on an important occasion purely to avoid an uncomfortable conversation that was - as Tommy said - inevitably going to happen anyway. When Mona runs away, Quinn is eager to wash her hands of the whole matter. As I said above, she routinely abuses Sage's trust. Quinn is an unpleasant person, even to her nominal friends.
And again, it's difficult to blame that all on her past, because growing up with criminals doesn't FORCE you to become a complete asshole. Does Quinn really deserve more slack for her background that Maya? Hard to say. Yes, Maya's family is still around, but it's unclear if that's a good thing given how far her father has gone to break her will. The specific problem with regards to Josy is only a year old, but we know that Patrick wouldn't let her work a summer job even before that. Her dad is clearly a control freak, and I doubt that's a recent development.
With Quinn, all we know for sure is that she grew up in a drug den. That can cover a lot of ground. The small snippets of backstory could indicate she was routinely terrorized by a drugged out dad and his uncaring friends; that would definitely mitigate the problems she shows. But those snippets could also indicate that her 'family' was trying to do the best they could for her despite some difficult circumstances; if anything, that would make it look like Quinn was squandering the chance they tried to give her.
We can't say for sure until we learn more. So for now I think Quinn's actions need to stand on their own (lack of) merits.
No, As a friend I don't want A new friend to to make her sister to keep mc in her room.
- Aug 28, 2017
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Let's do a quick recap.
She asks what free tuition requires to Quinn.
Right after that the President of HOTs comes in.
Quinn says "Now, zip it.".
If she doesn't understand something sketchy or shady going on right away, sorry but she's a moron. No underselling it. She can come to these conclusions ; either that's just a rumor and nothing more, or it's something shady/sketchy so Quinn doesn't want Sage to know. Either way, instead of confirming it with Sage, she just takes it at face value. Decides to believe it blindly.
She is not shy about voicing her concerns to Sage too as we know. If MC says don't trust Quinn, she goes and asks Sage to change her mother. So yeah, however much you guys say otherwise, Maya has at last some of the blame. Because she's definitely not a moron.
For Sage part, either you didn't even bother playing Sage's path or skipped through it, because she's a very kind and caring person. Shown multiple times at that. She didn't need to do anything about her situation yet she suspects she's in deep shit. Asks about it to the closest people she has first. Does something about it first(paperwork maybe, idk) and then goes extends a helping hand. To gain her trust, she tells about her own situation and what she really feels. That's a big fucking deal because of her nature. What can she gain from that except Maya's good will and thanks? Absolutely nothing. No need to doubt everyone except Maya god's sake
- Apr 13, 2021
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This is flawed logic. She asked someone in a sorority to which she did not yet belong and had not even applied and had no guarantee of being accepted into in any case about free tuition which she needed before she enrolled because you cannot pay for college after the fact. It's prepaid. So, she had no scholarships, grants, loans, or other means of paying her tuition and was relying on being accepted into a sorority based upon an unverified claim. It's ridiculous on face.
This is like going to the doctor's office and asking the patient next to you in the waiting room if services are free. If they say, "Yes", it's your fault when you find out they lied to you. You asked the wrong person.
Now you are going to a different topic.
Sure, that's what would happen in real life but here in this game DPC decided to do this situation where Maya is desperate to get rid of her father's control and for some reason she doesn't think about communicating to a school authority that a student or rather a soronity is offering free tuition so that later we have all this exaggerated conflict and advance even more in the story. Here I think, as in many situations in this game the Suspension of disbelief enters.
Leaving aside the realism, Maya asked her and Quinn confirmed that there was free tuition but never told her what she would have to do to obtain it, knowing that Maya wouldn't have accepted the terms (prostitution) that Quinn had imposed on her for free tuition.
This game is clearly not for realism and this would not be the first thing that DPC handles in a very unbelievable or disastrous way. With that we have situations like Episode 3/4 with M&J and what's going on now with Tybalt and how ridiculously naive Jill is.
PS: Sorry for sounding aggressive in my previous comment.
- Sep 27, 2020
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My problem with the Maya thing is, she could have been an adult about it and took Quinn aside after the party and asked about the tuition. And then decided it wasn't for her, and moved on, like an adult.
Instead she outright demands money as soon as she's accepted. Completely pathetic.
It's sad that because of that one scene I can't even play Josy content, because that move alone put Maya on the deep shit list and I don't think it's possible for her to get off it.
Pinkcakes makes an adult video game, mayhaps he shouldn't be writing such unlikeable characters that only an entitled child would find interesting.
Instead she outright demands money as soon as she's accepted. Completely pathetic.
It's sad that because of that one scene I can't even play Josy content, because that move alone put Maya on the deep shit list and I don't think it's possible for her to get off it.
Pinkcakes makes an adult video game, mayhaps he shouldn't be writing such unlikeable characters that only an entitled child would find interesting.
I agree, it doesn't make sense that Maya doesn't realize that obviously Quinn doesn't want Sage to know what she's doing when it's very obvious from the situation and context. That makes her look like a moron.
Of course Maya is partly to blame here too.
I think you misunderstood me about Sage, I don't mean that Sage helps Maya to win something, what I mean is that she helps her for different reasons not only for pity as the comment I answered seemed to allude.
- Dec 19, 2018
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When it comes to the Quinn/Tommy dynamic, I see Tommy as no better than Quinn. While our place in the story provides no evidence to this yet, I'm fairly certain he's done some pretty despicable things as well. Until recently, I'm pretty positive Quinn and Tommy were partners in crime. Given the opportunity, I'd actually love to dive deeper into his character to get a better understanding of why he is the way he is and I can even use the same analysis for Tommy as I do for Quinn. It seems as though MC is slowly changing Tommy as well. After the fight, Tommy's perspective and how he chooses to interact with MC changed rather drastically.
I respect your reasoning behind remaining skeptical, and I even concur to a degree but color me as an optimist that genuinely wants to see the best in people, including fictitious characters. If we take a look at the B&R timeline, we're only in the first semester. We've only interacted with Quinn a handful of times at best. It could be for time constraining purposes that DPC decided to quicken the pace but as an optimist, I choose to believe that there's more at play here. Perhaps MC is more influential than originally anticipated. It's going to come down to a point I made in a previous post when I touched back on the conversation Tommy and MC had after the fist fight. I'm paraphrasing here, so forgive me for not going word for word.
MC: When you're at the bottom, there's nowhere to go but up
Tommy: Did you read that on some bullshit inspirational toilet paper quote of the day?
MC: It's true.
Tommy: It's not. You can choose to stay at the bottom and get comfortable.
MC: Then you'll need somebody to help pull you up.
I think this conversation was DPC's way of telling us that if the player chooses, there will be redemption paths for Quinn and Tommy.
Now, in response to you believing that Quinn's actions need to stand on their own merits, I also concur, however this isn't to be applied solely to Quinn and her actions. A few characters have some things they need to atone for. There comes a time in everyone's life where we come to a crossroads. Admit your wrongs and mistakes or follow the other path that will only lead to your own downfall.
- Aug 28, 2017
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I guess you didn't understand where I'm coming from too, since you decided to see it as I'm trying to justify Quinn's actions to your eyes.
Maya's family is still around but it's unclear if that's a good thing? Are you seriously comparing Maya and Quinn's family situations? Quinn's dad is either dead or jailed, we don't know at what age, her mother doesn't recognize her own daughter, what she has to call home is a drug dealing base.
Maya had a twin brother always there to support her, had something to call home with a steady income apparently, since Patrick came there with his car and send his son and daughter to college. Has enough credibility to loan 2x tuition money. She had a steady life, goes on and on.
Are we really going to compare Maya and Quinn's backgrounds? Really? It can be called worse because her father is a control freak religious cunt? Seriously? Doesn't mean it's better than Quinn's situation?
Even in his twisted way, he does what he does because he cares for her daughter. Notice the key word here? She has people who cares about her. Wants to shape her life as he sees fit? Yes. What he didn't let her go to work a summer job? Boo fucking hoo what a terrible thing to do. Quinn doesn't have shit on her, agreed for sure. He didn't let her work on a summer job, oh lord how did she survive? That's terrible.
But you are right about Quinn. We only know she grew up in a drug den. So let's not go and make baseless assumptions like her family was there in their own way and did their best to give her a chance, yet she went and squandered her chance. Thanks.
P.S : I'm not talking about Maya because of her spat between Quinn and her and I dislike her. It's because we are dealing with her background drama personified aka Patrick and it so happens she's the most felt sorry character right now. Let's not have Jill's naivety and think absence of parents is a small deal, at a young age at that.
Also meanwhile at that, I have a question. Did she know Patrick had a key to her room before this episode? Can someone answer this? I forgot
- Feb 18, 2021
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The code. It’s the same reason why she denied Maya’s request to change mother (although she later realised that it was the wrong decision).
She also mentioned that she “promised to pay it forward”. This might mean she was once in a dark spot and someone helped her out of it. In gratitude, she made a promise to eventually do the same to others.
Yeah she knew he had a key, the same MC questions how she even thought of sharing a room with Josy if her father could come in at any time as a "surprise".
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Well that's normal behavior for her, she didn't even want being a HOT. Her only concern was money. If there was another rumor about Alphas giving free tuition, she would go and apply to them too.
Also, what's the fetish with slaps everyone? MC is punching and kicking jaws of people and nobody talks about it. But when the situation changes, here are the reactions :
Maya slaps Quinn in front of every HOT? That's my gurl, you had it coming bitch !!!!!
Quinn slaps Riona? How dare she does this, look at her she's a bitch !!!!!
Quinn gives middle finger to Maya and calls her a bitch? *unintelligible* *flips table*
What's going on