VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[godkingxerxes]

Come on, neither Quinn nor Maya act like adults and I think that's very obvious so far.
Maya only wants to join the HOTs for the free tuition of course the first thing she will think about is how it works. I think Quinn knew that Maya would never have agreed with the "restaurant" thing and the only reason she played along was to fuck with her to teach her a lesson (I don't know in what exactly).

Maya didn't demand any money, she went and asked Mona about the free tuition and told her that they could do it together that's when Mona tells her that there's basically no such thing as FREE tuition. And when she goes to question Quinn, instead of acting like an "adult" and talking privately to her, she teases her saying that she is believing in rumors (which is a lie because she had offered it to her) obviously Maya is angry, if her anger is valid that is debatable.

The first thing on her mind should be celebrating with her new sisters.

But I'll have to replay but I'm pretty sure she came right out demanding tuition now.

And sure Quinn might have teased her a bit because she knew she was wrong about Maya, and Maya doesn't have what it takes to get paid.

Either way as I said, I'm done with Maya as a character, she's not even worth the effort to hate, she's nothing.

Maybe I'll mod my game and replace Maya with towliee and have all her lines asking if I want to get high, at least she'll add something to the story.

 

[Heycock]

You need a literal: "I offer free tuition"?. Ok, but that's not how the language works.
If you ask: "Free tuition?" and your answer is: "And you buttercup? Are you in", then you confirmed and you promised it, because "in", in the conext of the conversation, since the question of Mona, menas free tution. There is no way to misunderstand that conversation.

Some people will call that a lie. Others will call it to manipulate people to fool them. In any scenario you have been cheated.
But in this scenario it doesn't really matter cause there is no ambiguity at all. Once Mona asked for it, Quinn confirmed it. There is no other possible lecture off that script. Not for us and not for them.

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

Nah. I'm not wrong.
Go back further in that conversation. Quinn never once says it. She says something along the lines of "I'm sure you girls heard about a rumor"
and also she never confirms or denies the rumor.

Am I wrong when I say that Quinn never once promised or mentioned free tuition to anyone?

Promised? No. Mentioned and offered? Yeah.

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Oh but that's where you're wrong. It's called misdirection. Make someone assume you're talking about one thing, in this case the free tuition, while not admitting or denying the existence of said free tuition, and you have plausible deniability. So, with that being said, saying Quinn lied to their face about it is a false claim.

I don't understand where you are going with this, here is no ambiguity, the context is obvious and she confirms it when Mona tells her that she hear about it "in whispers" and Quinn offers them literally "So, girls ... are you interested?" that is not misdirection.

 

[JamieSadistic]

Promised? No. Mentioned and offered? Yeah.

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I don't understand where you are going with this, here is no ambiguity, the context is obvious and she confirms it when Mona tells her that she hear about it "in whispers" and Quinn offers them literally "So, girls ... are you interested?" that is not misdirection.

No ambiguity? Where in that entire conversation did Quinn confirm that there was free tuition? Actually said it? Nowhere.
Not misdirection? Quinn simply mentioned a rumor... it could have been the rumor of the HOT's and Quinn's restaurant, could have been a rumor of free tuition. Maya is the one who immediately assumes Quinn was talking about it. However, further into the conversation what does Quinn say? :
Loose lips, sink ships.
But loose hips, get tips.
Now, if Quinn was talking about free tuition, why would that saying be relevant? It wouldn't at all...but if she was talking about the restaurant...well..

 

[ename144]

No ambiguity? Where in that entire conversation did Quinn confirm that there was free tuition? Actually said it? Nowhere.
Not misdirection? Quinn simply mentioned a rumor... it could have been the rumor of the HOT's and Quinn's restaurant, could have been a rumor of free tuition. Maya is the one who immediately assumes Quinn was talking about it. However, further into the conversation what does Quinn say? :
Loose lips, sink ships.
But loose hips, get tips.
Now, if Quinn was talking about free tuition, why would that saying be relevant? It wouldn't at all...but if she was talking about the restaurant...well..

Quinn was saying that if you complete the Scavenger Hunt you can get free tuition. I mean, she was lying, but that's what she wanted them to think.

Lies of omission are still lies. I've never given Maya a pass on failing to mention she was in a relationship once things between her and the MC got serious. I'm not giving Quinn a pass on this either.

She was asked about free tuition, and as Karlimirst pointed out, she implied the rumors were true ("a HOT among us who can't keep her trap shut") and asked if Mona and Maya were interested. That's the lie.

 

[Heycock]

No ambiguity? Where in that entire conversation did Quinn confirm that there was free tuition? Actually said it? Nowhere.
Not misdirection? Quinn simply mentioned a rumor... it could have been the rumor of the HOT's and Quinn's restaurant, could have been a rumor of free tuition. Maya is the one who immediately assumes Quinn was talking about it. However, further into the conversation what does Quinn say? :
Loose lips, sink ships.
But loose hips, get tips.
Now, if Quinn was talking about free tuition, why would that saying be relevant? It wouldn't at all...but if she was talking about the restaurant...well..

No, there is no ambiguity at all.
You keep asking for the word free truition in Quinn's lips, but thats not a valid point. I am going to give an example. IF someone say to you: "I love ducks" and you answer "I love them too" then you never mention the word "duck" at any point but you still sayd you love them. There is no way out.
With this example is the same. When Mona asks, Quinns confirmed it.

No, it wasn't Maya the "only" one. It was Maya, Mona and all of us.
There is no rumor about Quinn's restaurant, and they were specifically talking about the free tuition as both Maya and Mona clarified.


Yeap. You can say that Maya was being blind. about the loose hips. But thats a plothole. Is neither Maya or Quinns fault, is DPC fault. Either that or beilieve that Maya was willing to prostitute herself.

 

[The Pink Royce]

i knew this game would be good since i played acting lessons
long time ago so just
shut up and take my "impressive total of 0$"

 

[anonymoussposter]

Yeah she knew he had a key, the same MC questions how she even thought of sharing a room with Josy if her father could come in at any time as a "surprise".

you are not allowed to ask sensible questions

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

No ambiguity? Where in that entire conversation did Quinn confirm that there was free tuition? Actually said it? Nowhere.
Not misdirection? Quinn simply mentioned a rumor... it could have been the rumor of the HOT's and Quinn's restaurant, could have been a rumor of free tuition. Maya is the one who immediately assumes Quinn was talking about it. However, further into the conversation what does Quinn say? :
Loose lips, sink ships.
But loose hips, get tips.
Now, if Quinn was talking about free tuition, why would that saying be relevant? It wouldn't at all...but if she was talking about the restaurant...well..

Yeah Quinn is the one who brings up the subject of "rumors" when Maya and Mona tell her they heard about free tuition, Quinn doesn't change the subject or anything and offers them directly, there is no room to misinterpret.

Well, the "restaurant" and the "free tuition" are glued together, the thing is that Maya and Mona don't know about the restaurant, the only one who finds out is Mona and we already know how that ends, Maya never finds out about the restaurant (and I have the feeling that she would never have found out, Quinn sure knew that Maya wouldn't have never accepted prostitution) because the MC seems to suffer a mental lapsus and instead of telling her, the only thing he manages to stutter is "She's evil!".

 

[Daken9]

So, who's everyone favorite girl and why is it Quinn?

I'd somehow forgotten about her scene in Episode 6. Shit was lit.

 

[italianstallionxxx]

The needy text message from the girl who doesnt do sleepovers was cute AF

 

[Walter Victor]

Quinn was saying that if you complete the Scavenger Hunt you can get free tuition. I mean, she was lying, but that's what she wanted them to think.

Lies of omission are still lies. I've never given Maya a pass on failing to mention she was in a relationship once things between her and the MC got serious. I'm not giving Quinn a pass on this either.

She was asked about free tuition, and as Karlimirst pointed out, she implied the rumors were true ("a HOT among us who can't keep her trap shut") and asked if Mona and Maya were interested. That's the lie.

When the goon comes into your place of business, tells that there has been trouble in the neighborhood, and offers to protect you for a price, guess what? That's extortion, even if the goon never mentions any consequences. The reason no consequences are mentioned is so there is plausible deniability in case of a wire.

And that is exactly why Quinn said what she said in the manner that she said it - plausible deniability. It might hold up in a court of law, but WE are not a court of law, and we have brains and can connect dots. So could the girls she was talking to.

 

[JamieSadistic]

Quinn was saying that if you complete the Scavenger Hunt you can get free tuition. I mean, she was lying, but that's what she wanted them to think.

Lies of omission are still lies. I've never given Maya a pass on failing to mention she was in a relationship once things between her and the MC got serious. I'm not giving Quinn a pass on this either.

She was asked about free tuition, and as Karlimirst pointed out, she implied the rumors were true ("a HOT among us who can't keep her trap shut") and asked if Mona and Maya were interested. That's the lie.

That's the thing though. Quinn didn't say anything about free tuition. It was all based on the assumption that's what the conversation was about. I'm really not trying to say Quinn is a saint and innocent but I'm not going to chock up misinterpretation, that was intentionally done, as a lie. Quinn is not solely to blame for them believing that and she certainly didn't offer them anything remotely close to free tuition.

No, there is no ambiguity at all.
You keep asking for the word free truition in Quinn's lips, but thats not a valid point. I am going to give an example. IF someone say to you: "I love ducks" and you answer "I love them too" then you never mention the word "duck" at any point but you still sayd you love them. There is no way out.
With this example is the same. When Mona asks, Quinns confirmed it.

When arguing that someone lied about giving free tuition and proving that the accused never mentioned free tuition isn't a valid point.
Ok then.

Yeah Quinn is the one who brings up the subject of "rumors" when Maya and Mona tell her they heard about free tuition, Quinn doesn't change the subject or anything and offers them directly, there is no room to misinterpret.

"offers them directly"...when? when she said "are you interested?" true, it very well could be that she was talking about free tuition but she never confirmed it's existence. For you to say there's no room for misinterpretation isn't true at all. There's literally tons of room for misinterpretation. Like I said, this is a classic case of misdirection... meaning Quinn disguised her true meaning (Restaurant initiation) by allowing them both to believe she was talking about something else (free tuition) while never directly mentioning free tuition.

 

[JETracktor]

Did anyone get that little joke with Tommy's coin that DPC show in second episode?
The coin appears to be Ephesus Drachm with stag and bee on sides.

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The people of this ancient Greek city worshiped Artemis and their money wore her symbols.
The bee personified Artemis herself and the stag was the symbol of Actaeon - the hero who was turned into a stag by Artemis for spying on her while she was swimming.
Tommy, during the toss of the coin, chose the side of the stag for the MC - he was turned naked for watching Quinn anc Camila (Tommy knew it for sure).

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Also MC recognized the coin before toss. How? His dad's was collecting coins and that one is not so expensive IRL so it was in collection for sure.

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[ename144]

That's the thing though. Quinn didn't say anything about free tuition. It was all based on the assumption that's what the conversation was about. I'm really not trying to say Quinn is a saint and innocent but I'm not going to chock up misinterpretation, that was intentionally done, as a lie. Quinn is not solely to blame for them believing that and she certainly didn't offer them anything remotely close to free tuition.

By mentioning that a HOT couldn't keep her mouth shut, Quinn confirmed the rumors: anyone could have made them up if the rumors were false, but only a HOT would know if they were true. That was Quinn's intent, and that's why she lied.

When arguing that someone lied about giving free tuition and proving that the accused never mentioned free tuition isn't a valid point.
Ok then.

It doesn't matter if the accused mentioned it, the topic had already come up. Suppose Maya had asked "Will you give us free tuition if we join the HOTs?" And Quinn had said "Yes."

In that case would Quinn be any more guilty in your eyes? She still would never have said anything about tuition. She only said a single word that could mean practically anything out of context. Yet we all know exactly what it meant, because it was in context.

To me that's no different than what happened. Quinn asked if they had heard rumors. Maya confirmed they had and specified the rumor: free tuition. Quinn made a statement that only makes sense if the rumors were true, then asked if they were interested.

I don't see any room ambiguity here. Quinn lied to them, deliberately. She wanted them to believe that they would get free tution if they joined the HOTs - which she knew to be untrue - and said words that caused them to believe it. The fact that she liked to imagine she was some sort of criminal genius by phrasing her lie artfully says more about her delusions than it does about her technical guilt.

I mean, what's the point of debating this? Would Quinn be even less guilty if she'd also had her fingers crossed?

 

[B-52reloaded]

Arieth as mastermind??
I can´t shake off the feeling that Arieth is not as dumb as she (likes to) appear(s). Okay she fucks them all, but I think it os both literally and metaphorical - for in the end she will be the one on top (again literally and metaphorical). When the others are undone or destroyed themselves in the process she will survive and in the end be the one pulling the strings.

 

[Deleted member 3691867]

"offers them directly"...when? when she said "are you interested?" true, it very well could be that she was talking about free tuition but she never confirmed it's existence. For you to say there's no room for misinterpretation isn't true at all. There's literally tons of room for misinterpretation. Like I said, this is a classic case of misdirection... meaning Quinn disguised her true meaning (Restaurant initiation) by allowing them both to believe she was talking about something else (free tuition) while never directly mentioning free tuition.

Well Quinn was offering them free tuition while mentioning the restaurant without specifying exactly what she was saying. Just because she was talking about the restaurant and not the free tuition explicitly doesn't change anything, the restaurant and the free tuition are connected. If she offers them the restaurant, she too is offering them free tuition and vice versa because she knows that is what they want.
She never said the word "free tuition" but that doesn't change anything because she acknowledged the supposed free tuition rumor.

I really don't know where you're going with this, lying or omitting the truth or using misdirections doesn't change anything that happened, and doesn't put her in a better light in this specific case.

 

[Walter Victor]

That's the thing though. Quinn didn't say anything about free tuition. It was all based on the assumption that's what the conversation was about. I'm really not trying to say Quinn is a saint and innocent but I'm not going to chock up misinterpretation, that was intentionally done, as a lie. Quinn is not solely to blame for them believing that and she certainly didn't offer them anything remotely close to free tuition.



When arguing that someone lied about giving free tuition and proving that the accused never mentioned free tuition isn't a valid point.
Ok then.



"offers them directly"...when? when she said "are you interested?" true, it very well could be that she was talking about free tuition but she never confirmed it's existence. For you to say there's no room for misinterpretation isn't true at all. There's literally tons of room for misinterpretation. Like I said, this is a classic case of misdirection... meaning Quinn disguised her true meaning (Restaurant initiation) by allowing them both to believe she was talking about something else (free tuition) while never directly mentioning free tuition.

I'm going to guess that you're a lawyer? Am I right?

 

[derek.is.the.key]

Quinn use the rumor to expand the restaurant business, i will not be surprised if it was set up for the freshies who need extra money, who is behind it tho? Burke?, what if this is organized by alumni themselves? what if this restaurant thing has been running for a long time too just like a tradition?

i like Quinn, when she pushes the chair in the cafeteria scene to make MC sit in front of her is just cute but got distracted because Sarah touch MC's crotch, and i really wish this will end well for her but i don't think it will be. if only my MC could go GTA mode and take over the drug business buy the Pink Rose and conquer B&R, then everything will be fine

Maya, imo is just so desperate to get away from her father's grip she'll believe anything in regards of money without checking the validity of it, she's at fault and now she's paying for it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

By mentioning that a HOT couldn't keep her mouth shut, Quinn confirmed the rumors: anyone could have made them up if the rumors were false, but only a HOT would know if they were true. That was Quinn's intent, and that's why she lied.


It doesn't matter if the accused mentioned it, the topic had already come up. Suppose Maya had asked "Will you give us free tuition if we join the HOTs?" And Quinn had said "Yes."

In that case would Quinn be any more guilty in your eyes? She still would never have said anything about tuition. She only said a single word that could mean practically anything out of context. Yet we all know exactly what it meant, because it was in context.

To me that's no different than what happened. Quinn asked if they had heard rumors. Maya confirmed they had and specified the rumor: free tuition. Quinn made a statement that only makes sense if the rumors were true, then asked if they were interested.

I don't see any room ambiguity here. Quinn lied to them, deliberately. She wanted them to believe that they would get free tution if they joined the HOTs - which she knew to be untrue - and said words that caused them to believe it. The fact that she liked to imagine she was some sort of criminal genius by phrasing her lie artfully says more about her delusions than it does about her technical guilt.

I mean, what's the point of debating this? Would Quinn be even less guilty if she'd also had her fingers crossed?

That Quinn deliberately acted this way to make Maya think that free tuition existed is beyond any doubt, but I want to break a lance in her favor.

apart from a generic moral issue, Quinn had no real motivation to warn Maya that the rumor was unfounded. why would she do that? it's not clear to me to what extent she would want Maya on the restaurant menu, it seems like Quinn's classic plan doomed to failure... but even beyond that, why would she warn Maya? between the two there is no friendship, no sympathy. Quinn is the swindler who sells the Trevi fountain and Maya is the American tourist who believes anything she is told...

It's a bad joke played on someone you don't like and have nothing in common with. Morally wrong, but this guilt of Quinn's doesn't even make the top ten.