VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[EmperorGus]

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She has tried to help Mona by convincing her to fuck with Burke in order to get some financial help from sponsors, but Mona couldn't do it and was forced to quit the college.
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'Help Mona'. No. She pimped Mona.
And Quinn didn't do that for Mona's good, but to fulfill her own agreement with Burke to supply a steady stream of girls to him.
And, if Mona had gone through with it, it wouldn't have been 'financial help from sponsors', it would have payment for services rendered. AKA Prostitution.
If Mona wanted to prostitute herself, that's up to her.
But the moment she was forced to leave college because she didn't want to be a whore is the moment she became a victim of Quinn and Burke.

And then there's the shit Quinn did to Maya...

Quinn is not some innocent going along with bad things.
She's taking an active, knowing, role in ruining other people.
In my view, that is not someone that 'deserves success.'

 

[CAznable]

'Help Mona'. No. She pimped Mona.
And Quinn didn't do that for Mona's good, but to fulfill her own agreement with Burke to supply a steady stream of girls to him.
And, if Mona had gone through with it, it wouldn't have been 'financial help from sponsors', it would have payment for services rendered. AKA Prostitution.
If Mona wanted to prostitute herself, that's up to her.
But the moment she was forced to leave college because she didn't want to be a whore is the moment she became a victim of Quinn and Burke.

And then there's the shit Quinn did to Maya...

Quinn is not some innocent going along with bad things.
She's taking an active, knowing, role in ruining other people.
In my view, that is not someone that 'deserves success.'

A little louder for the guys in the back!

I’m all for second chances and all that, but Quinn has repeatedly shown herself to be Irresponsible, untrustworthy, and selfish. Even to her “friends” which she treats more like servants then she does anything close to a friend.

 

[EmperorGus]

A little louder for the guys in the back!

I’m all for second chances and all that...

LOL. Sorry.
Let me put that soap-box away

On the topic of second chances...
Riona!
Although she could be viewed Quinn's 2nd, I think it might be reasonable to say that she is someone just 'going along'.
And she's mentioned to Quinn about quitting too. It's just a shame she didn't have the confidence to stand up to Quinn when she convinced her she wasn't good enough to get through college without the shady stuff.

But, with Sage realizing she's been distracted and now starting to pay attention, I can't see it taking her long to catch on to what Quinn has been doing. And I don't see that she'll have any choice but to kick her from the HOTs.
Which means a new VP.
Who's suitable? That isn't a 1st year.
Mel and Sarah? No.
Heather? No, bitch.
Arieth? NO!
Elena? Maybe.
Riona!
Give Rio the 2nd chance. She'll be grateful for that and un-likely to screw it up.
Make her the VP. It'll boost her confidence and, I think, she'd be good at it once she felt comfortable.

... just some food for thought.

And.. I'm still rambling... Guess I'm bored and talkative tonight

 

[Paco Loco]

Well, you're not wrong there. I mainly attribute this to the difference in the CHICK and DIK affinities, since CHICK MC seems like the kind of guy who isn't fucking around and is waiting for the right girl to show up rather than be a manwhore, while DIK MC is just in college to have fun and fuck around. In that sense, DIK MC has less reservations about sex and gives no shits about who he's fucking as long as he's not in a relationship. CHICK MC, however, isn't one to take action and reciprocate any moves made on him by others, and has a soft spot for Jill. What's off-putting to me is that he says he's falling in love with Jill while acting all the same towards M&J, hence why I keep referring to the CHICK MC as a whole fuckboy. He's toying with too many girls' feelings all at once, which is even more of a dick move than anything the DIK MC could've done.



Time to show Tyballs what a real man can do



I'm unsure as well, but I have a vague memory of him saying 'love' somewhere. Maybe I could be wrong too, since there's so much dialogue in the game that we sometimes misremember some things.

If he did use the words 'falling for' instead of 'falling in love with' though, that makes it less of a problem for me, because it shows that he still knows he's in multiple relationships, just that he's starting to grow biased towards this particular one. He understands that it's not exactly healthy to be in so many relationships, but upon introspection, sees that he's starting to prefer the relationship with Jill.

As I remember, when MC talks to Isabella about his life (after "gay guard catcher" - Ep. 2), he explains about MC's - Zoe's relationship.

After all, he mentioned "love" as he doesn't thinks that he really loved Zoe at the time. That was the one and only open reference to love that I can remember.

Besides... That would be interesting if Zoe make a call or use any other form to contact MC . Maybe it is a cliché, but at certain circumstances, that can be a good spice for the story.

*I'm not a fluent english speaker.

 

[LoDoN-]

I foresee Quinn Stans coming forth.

 

[shazba]

Does he ever use the word "love"? I honestly cant remember. AFAIK during the date in the field he says "the girl I think I'm falling for" and then afterwards he uses the words "falling for" to himself twice during that bit of introspection

This is going to come down to semantics but he doesn't say the word "love"... I see it used as a "more than like, not quite love" phrase in a lotta stuff. It's an almost cliche way of saying you have feelings generally.

Unless he's said it elsewhere. I could be wrong.

I'm unsure as well, but I have a vague memory of him saying 'love' somewhere. Maybe I could be wrong too, since there's so much dialogue in the game that we sometimes misremember some things.

If he did use the words 'falling for' instead of 'falling in love with' though, that makes it less of a problem for me, because it shows that he still knows he's in multiple relationships, just that he's starting to grow biased towards this particular one. He understands that it's not exactly healthy to be in so many relationships, but upon introspection, sees that he's starting to prefer the relationship with Jill.

As I remember, when MC talks to Isabella about his life (after "gay guard catcher" - Ep. 2), he explains about MC's - Zoe's relationship.

After all, he mentioned "love" as he doesn't thinks that he really loved Zoe at the time. That was the one and only open reference to love that I can remember.

Besides... That would be interesting if Zoe make a call or use any other form to contact MC . Maybe it is a cliché, but at certain circumstances, that can be a good spice for the story.

*I'm not a fluent english speaker.

Who loves who:

• The closest the mc comes to saying he loves one of the girls is when he's making the decision with M&J and chooses: "Try for something more". He says to the girls, "I wanted to see if I could love you. And I did feel something..."
• The mc also says, "I love you" to his dad, and Neil responds in kind, but apart from a small handful of people, we all know that's a platonic love.
• Stephen also says to Jade (when she's throwing shit at him and suggesting he has a crush on Bella), "That's ridiculous! I love you!". Needless to say, Jade does not reciprocate his sentiment.
• And Derek, in a totally platonic sense states to the MC (when the MC is pouting and being a bitch over finding out about the M&J relationship), "And I love you, dude...but I love my sister more."
• Derek also professes, "I love her" when the mc tells him Jade grabbed the mc's ass.
• Maya also notes, "But I do love him." when talking about how annoying Derek is as a brother.
• Josy openly states, "I love him so much..." when talking about her dad.
• Jill's mom also tell Jill, "You know that mommy and daddy love you." when Jill's getting upset about Lana being excommunicated.
• Various HOTs state their love for one another, but obviously Sisterly Love (TM), no I mean "sisterly love"!
• The MC also notes, "Tybalt is in love with Jill..."
• But the only couple who profess their direct love for one another are John Boy and Elena.
• Honorable mention, Chad actually says to Sage, "I don't love you." Fucking harsh!

Oh by the way how did you name your MC, we know there is already some "Fuckface"
Mine is "Trouduc" that means asshole in french.

I always call my MC "Fuckface", so that when Steve calls the mc "fuckface" in the store, the mc replies with, ""My name is not fuckface! It's... Oh, wait...it is..."

Also, when Caleb and Tommy both call the mc "fuckface" on different occasions, I don't feel so offended.

 

[CAznable]

LOL. Sorry.
Let me put that soap-box away

On the topic of second chances...
Riona!
Although she could be viewed Quinn's 2nd, I think it might be reasonable to say that she is someone just 'going along'.
And she's mentioned to Quinn about quitting too. It's just a shame she didn't have the confidence to stand up to Quinn when she convinced her she wasn't good enough to get through college without the shady stuff.

But, with Sage realizing she's been distracted and now starting to pay attention, I can't see it taking her long to catch on to what Quinn has been doing. And I don't see that she'll have any choice but to kick her from the HOTs.
Which means a new VP.
Who's suitable? That isn't a 1st year.
Mel and Sarah? No.
Heather? No, bitch.
Arieth? NO!
Elena? Maybe.
Riona!
Give Rio the 2nd chance. She'll be grateful for that and un-likely to screw it up.
Make her the VP. It'll boost her confidence and, I think, she'd be good at it once she felt comfortable.

... just some food for thought.

And.. I'm still rambling... Guess I'm bored and talkative tonight

For sure, I see Riona as a person who's stuck between a rock and a hard place right now.

She wants to get out of Quinn's game, but she also does not want to leave her friend behind in the dust. So she begrudgingly still helps Quinn, because she doesn't want to leave her hanging.

In regards to Riona possibly becoming the new VP, I do think it's possible, but we'll really have to see how the inevitable Sage VS Quinn grudge match goes down, and see where the battle lines will be drawn. And which of the two will each HOT support after the dust settles? Sage or Quinn?

Also Rambling? what's wrong with talking and theorizing about the game? isn't that what this thread is for?

 

[CAznable]

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Quinn is a well written character, don't get me wrong. DPC has done great work with her, I just don't care for her.

 

[shazba]

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Quinn is a well written character, don't get me wrong. DPC has done great work with her, I just don't care for her.

Even after seeing how much she cares for the MC?

 

[EmperorGus]

I always call my MC "Fuckface", so that when Steve calls the mc "fuckface" in the store, the mc replies with, ""My name is not fuckface! It's... Oh, wait...it is..."

Ok.. as soon as I read that I fired up the game and started a new one and.. yup that *is* actually in the game script.
LOL

Also Rambling? what's wrong with talking and theorizing about the game? isn't that what this thread is for?

Hmm.. Over the years I've been fussed at a time or two for my 'maximum verbosity'
So, once in awhile, when I've dropped another long winded post I self-deprecate.

 

[CAznable]

Even after seeing how much she cares for the MC?

While it's nice to see her open up a little, old habits are hard to break. Just because she is showing affection to MC does not make up for the countless times she's done wrong to people. And it's not like these wrongs were accidental either. lies, coercion, drugs, etc. My 2 cents

 

[JETracktor]

O btw what r the consequences of punching ass face aka Tybalt ?

I tried to leave and the bitch still slapped granted the MCs no Saint but come on now he was asking for it but from the jist of it all I kinda felt like I was pimping out Jill to the ass face so I backed off like a looser...so yea spoil me and I might change my save and punce the living shit outta him

That slap actually counts for Hell Week. Slap from angry girl.

 

[Kukipett]

While it's nice to see her open up a little, old habits are hard to break. Just because she is showing affection to MC does not make up for the countless times she's done wrong to people. And it's not like these wrongs were accidental either. lies, coercion, drugs, etc. My 2 cents

Yes she has done wrong to people just because she doesn't care about people. If you are someone coming from a shit hole and that you had to do anything to survive, you don't care about those rich spoiled kids or middle class brats ready to juge you for not beeing a good girl!
You just take what you can take and if Jesus is crying on his cross, just add some nails to be sure he won't come down to scold you!!

 

[felicemastronzo]

In what way is that a 'cowardly choice'??

The MC shows enough self-awareness to recognize that, regardless of his feelings for her, he's not going to 'change his wandering ways'.
Choosing (or at least considering) that the right thing to do is to not hurt her just to satisfy his lust.
That's not cowardice.
It's a bit of maturity.

I don't agree, it remains to be seen what that choice leads to, but for now I consider it a cowardly choice, or at least put that way.

Jill is sacrificing herself for MC's sake (in a stupid way, but that's the gist of it), and MC's response would be to stop fighting for her? basically since he has other girls anyway he decides not to waste his time on her anymore.

the premise of his reasoning is that he's behaving badly and ruining everything (especially if he's with Bella), the conclusion is that Jill is the problem, without her everything is fine

then it may well be that MC will confront her, apologise etc... but I don't like the way the question has been put.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Does he ever use the word "love"? I honestly cant remember. AFAIK during the date in the field he says "the girl I think I'm falling for" and then afterwards he uses the words "falling for" to himself twice during that bit of introspection

This is going to come down to semantics but he doesn't say the word "love"... I see it used as a "more than like, not quite love" phrase in a lotta stuff. It's an almost cliche way of saying you have feelings generally.

Unless he's said it elsewhere. I could be wrong.

you are probably right and the big 'L' word is not pronounced, but it doesn't change much

The one with Jill is a declaration of love, so both MC takes it afterwards and Jill immediately.

With M + J, given the premise of following one's heart, we're talking about that, but there it's the girls who stop his momentum

even with Sage he has several opportunities to hint at "serious romantic complications" until the finale about the rebound boy, but we still don't have her response yet

 

[Isaneclownposey]

How do Quinn fans justify her awful behavior towards Maya? Like there isn't any justification to why she does the things she does involving Maya other than her being an evil bitch.

 

[Kukipett]

I don't agree, it remains to be seen what that choice leads to, but for now I consider it a cowardly choice, or at least put that way.

Jill is sacrificing herself for MC's sake (in a stupid way, but that's the gist of it), and MC's response would be to stop fighting for her? basically since he has other girls anyway he decides not to waste his time on her anymore.

the premise of his reasoning is that he's behaving badly and ruining everything (especially if he's with Bella), the conclusion is that Jill is the problem, without her everything is fine

then it may well be that MC will confront her, apologise etc... but I don't like the way the question has been put.

I think Jill is just a good person that will make a sacrifice to help the MC even if he doesn't really love her, she does it because she thinks it's the right thing to do, she doesn't want to buy some love.
I don't think she is naïve, just more mature than the others and not used to teenagers behavior. It's not because she is a virgin that she is retarded or naïve, she just know what she wants.
And about Jill-Bella-MC relations, i'm confident that she will understand and find the right solution with Bella and Bella will not cause her pain and dispair, i guess the MC will just have to accept their agreement like it was the case in Acting Lessons.
In that game the MC did not had much to say, his precedents acts lead to harsh decisions where he just had to say yes.

If beeing a DIK takes the same path as AL, many players will burn their PC and need some Prozac

 

[EmperorGus]

the premise of his reasoning is that he's behaving badly and ruining everything (especially if he's with Bella), the conclusion is that Jill is the problem, without her everything is fine

Ah. Ok. If that's the way you saw that scene, then I understand why you said cowardly.

My sense of the scene was that:
MC understands that he is behaving badly.
Concludes that he is the problem.
And that Jill would be better off without him.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I think Jill is just a good person that will make a sacrifice to help the MC even if he doesn't really love her, she does it because she thinks it's the right thing to do, she doesn't want to buy some love.
I don't think she is naïve, just more mature than the others and not used to teenagers behavior. It's not because she is a virgin that she is retarded or naïve, she just know what she wants.
And about Jill-Bella-MC relations, i'm confident that she will understand and find the right solution with Bella and Bella will not cause her pain and dispair, i guess the MC will just have to accept their agreement like it was the case in Acting Lessons.
In that game the MC did not had much to say, his precedents acts lead to harsh decisions where he just had to say yes.

If beeing a DIK takes the same path as AL, many players will burn their PC and need some Prozac

there's no way that the eventual triangle with Jill and Bella won't end with a big big drama. of course without the need for it to turn into a thriller...

Jill is naive not because she wants to help MC, but because in order to do so she slips into blatant blackmail, which as Bella tells her, risks becoming endless, being manipulated by Tybalt who is certainly not a mastermind and basically believing everything he tells her

Accepting blackmail is more morally wrong than the crap Derek and MC pull.

Ah. Ok. If that's the way you saw that scene, then I understand why you said cowardly.

My sense of the scene was that:
MC understands that he is behaving badly.
Concludes that he is the problem.
And that Jill would be better off without him.

and then decides not to fight for her anymore?

he does not decide to stop deceiving her, to commit himself seriously, to change his life, but he decides, eventually, to stop struggling to be with her.

I would say that at least the dilemma is wrongly posed.

 

[shazba]

How do Quinn fans justify her awful behavior towards Maya? Like there isn't any justification to why she does the things she does involving Maya other than her being an evil bitch.

The easy answer is, they don't care.

Maya fans won't like Quinn, because Quinn's behavior to Maya is inexcusable. Unlike Sage who misunderstands the situation as Maya not knowing Quinn's humor/style, we as the semi-omniscient audience know that Quinn is fucking with Maya without any concern for the damage she does.

Quinn fans simply don't care about Maya, and consider she is responsible for her own choices and behavior, and if she was naive enough to think all she had to do was pass the initiation and she'd get free tuition (which was her understanding), then she deserves all the shit that comes her way. I even have a bridge she might be interested in buying.

Then there are those (like myself) who enjoy all the characters for their merits and don't really concern myself with their short comings unless I find them too annoying. Quinn isn't annoying me, plus she's a very interesting character to pursue. In real life? Fuck no! But this is a no-consequences endeavor (it's just a game), and I want to ride Quinn out to see where it goes.