VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[J.A.L.]

He didnt know though and that was before he get into a relationship with her. As soon as he decide to take her serious, he ends his relationship with her mom. at least for me it happened. As soon as I decided to be in her path on episode 8. MC ended his affair with Jade by Message. So there should be reasoning, but lets say she won't understand it even when she calm down, her loss.

Everyone also always want to compare the situations in game with Real Life. You know the reason it is a game is because we can enjoy some fantasy right? In real life none of us or at least 99% of us doesn't have a dick as huge as MC's. And most of us as freshman wouldn't be dating so many girls and have so many 3 somes as our MC. So I think we should leave RL a bit to the side when it comes to judge some situations in game. We can be a bad boy in game even if we aren't one in RL. Lets enjoy the fantasy instead of trying to make all our decisions based on what should happen out here. And you know, even in rl, anything can happen.

We are talking about DPC here. He loves drama. And he has build the fucking Babel Tower of drama. And probably he´s planning to make it fall onto the player´s head.

As I already said, I think that Tremolo fucking Sage´s mom is going to ruin their relationship. My guess is that Jade at some point will have another one of her tantrums with flying photo frames, and will say her husband that he´s not the only cheater and that she has been fucking with a student. Or, if Burke has the video, will be him the one spilling the beans. In any case, Sage is going to be listening (DPC likes those far fetched situations, like Tremolo catching Chad at the locker room of the gym... twice), and is going to be a cataclysm for her. Will DPC include some kind of scape hatch to allow Tremolo to save his relationship, or will it be a deal breaker? We´ll see.

And no, DPC doesn´t tell me what he´s going to do. It´s just guessing.

 

[felicemastronzo]

i agree with that idea that the restaurant and jade will not affect the main plot/sage path, they are just side "games"/content
its like fucking sarah or mel, its just content and fun for the MC, not canon
taking on jade's "path", there is 3 things you can do with jade:
1) ignore her from the beginning
2) fuck her and then dump her
3) continue to be her lover
but in ep.9 there is one universal reaction for her, she just ignores MC and not making a big deal
i think the main sage problem will be her father and his activities because its something that you see independently wich path you choose

that in the immediate nothing happens is sure, all the twists at the end of the chapter of BADIK in the immediate do not lead to anything

but if it doesn't have a wider effect being in a relationship with the wife if not of the end of level boss, at least of the most powerful villain we've met in the game won't have anything...

since we chose the LI in the last chapter the game has changed, how can the game not be different now depending on what we chose?

 

[PashafromRussia]

Chekhov's gun.

Why DPC throws Jade to Tremolo´s arms? Jade is the one that seduces Tremolo. And that happens in the middle of the Hell Week with the quest of "fucking a theacher" and "fucking a feminist". DPC wants that Tremolo fucks Jade. First landmine. Then, the second landmine: the video of Jade and Tremolo in Burke´s hands. And after that, the third one: Jade is Sage´s mom... Why DPC would put such a complicated Chekhov´s gun, if he´s not going to shoot it against the player (Tremolo)

And the same happens with Quinn´s restaurant. DPC puts that offer in front of the player at the beginning of the game, when the player doesn´t even know yet what kind of game is this. It this the only chance for Tremolo to fuck in this game? Will it have consequences, or this is one of those games about "harem" in which the MC can fuck everybody without consequences? First landmine. Then, the second one: Burke is the main client (or maybe, main owner, we don´t know) of the restaurant. And the third one: Burke is Sage´s dad. Again, if DPC doesn´t shoot that Chekhov´s gun in Tremolo´s (the player) face, I would be extremelly surprised.

The new guy here is me, not you guys. Don´t you know already about DPC´s love for drama?

This is certainly an interesting theory, but unfortunately game design does not work that way.
There were certain problems with the economy in the game. The player was earning too much and there was nowhere to spend the money. And there was a certain limit on the amount of money in the purse. The player could find money in Maya's room, in mini-games. And the player could spend money mainly by buying girls in a restaurant. If the choice of restaurant really affects the path so much, then there is no sense in mini-games and motivation to earn money in them.

 

[DarkKiller]

i agree with that idea that the restaurant and jade will not affect the main plot/sage path, they are just side "games"/content
its like fucking sarah or mel, its just content and fun for the MC, not canon

By that logic fooling around with Cathy wouldn't affect Bella's path seeing as she's one of the main LI's, however we do indeed get royally fucked if we do it.
Side girls might not affect the main plot itself, we don't know, we'll have to wait and see, but they do indeed affect the main LI's routes.
In this case, if Sage's route is intertwined with the main plot (and I'm sure all the other LI's routes will also be), I'm betting that fucking side girls will have consequences.

 

[HogRocket]

Anyone else experiencing game crash after MC and Rusty talk about ordering the windows?

anyone who used a mod pretty much - that's why there's a patch on the first page

 

[JohnnyBlazePT]

By that logic fooling around with Cathy wouldn't affect Bella's path seeing as she's one of the main LI's, however we do indeed get royally fucked if we do it.

bella's path is closed but cathy's path is still opened

that in the immediate nothing happens is sure, all the twists at the end of the chapter of BADIK in the immediate do not lead to anything

but if it doesn't have a wider effect being in a relationship with the wife if not of the end of level boss, at least of the most powerful villain we've met in the game won't have anything...

since we chose the LI in the last chapter the game has changed, how can the game not be different now depending on what we chose?

i already said that having to choose someone so soon it felt kinda rushed but there is a possibility that it's not the final choice

i dont know, probably there will be a fire on college and dik's mansion and we have to choose who we will save

 

[DavDR]

I'm not convinced that having sex with Jade is a game over, I mean how should Sage find out? Jade should tell her... It's not something a stepmom would confess to her daughter lightly.

at the most, dating both of them should make Jade back off and if she hinders MC and his relationship with Sage, order him to leave her alone...

I would say that the fling with Jade not having impact on the relationship with Sage would be the last straw in the plausibility of this story, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Still if it all turns out to have no impact it's just going to be ridiculous.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I would say that the fling with Jade not having impact on the relationship with Sage would be the last straw in the plausibility of this story, but that ship sailed a long time ago. Still if it all turns out to have no impact it's just going to be ridiculous.

i didn't explain myself well in that post

I don't think it won't have any consequences, but I think it won't be something limited to Sage, it will have a greater significance, the closing of the story with Sage will probably only be a secondary and not immediate effect of it

 

[J.A.L.]

This is certainly an interesting theory, but unfortunately game design does not work that way.
There were certain problems with the economy in the game. The player was earning too much and there was nowhere to spend the money. And there was a certain limit on the amount of money in the purse. The player could find money in Maya's room, in mini-games. And the player could spend money mainly by buying girls in a restaurant. If the choice of restaurant really affects the path so much, then there is no sense in mini-games and motivation to earn money in them.

The player can spend the money in boost and cheats for the minigames, points for the minigame of fighting and other things. Or just forget about looking for money.

 

[DavDR]

I'm not convinced that having sex with Jade is a game over, I mean how should Sage find out? Jade should tell her... It's not something a stepmom would confess to her daughter lightly.

at the most, dating both of them should make Jade back off and if she hinders MC and his relationship with Sage, order him to leave her alone...

One more reply. I don't think you guys are getting just how big a thing it is for a woman to find out that you fucked her Mother. You just can't imagine the powerful cosmic forces that are released by such an act.

Now as your homework assignment I want all of you to go out and fuck your girlfriend/wives Mom. If you are still alive next week you'll understand.

 

[JohnnyBlazePT]

One more reply. I don't think you guys are getting just how big a thing it is for a woman to find out that you fucked her Mother. You just can't imagine the powerful cosmic forces that are released by such an act.

Now as your homework assignment I want all of you to go out and fuck your girlfriend/wives Mom. If you are still alive next week you'll understand.

we can speculate for months but in the end it will be what DPC wants to be, sage can freak out and kill MC and jade or she can be cool with that and dont give a fuck
its on DPC hands

 

[Darkdevil66]

One more reply. I don't think you guys are getting just how big a thing it is for a woman to find out that you fucked her Mother. You just can't imagine the powerful cosmic forces that are released by such an act.

Now as your homework assignment I want all of you to go out and fuck your girlfriend/wives Mom. If you are still alive next week you'll understand.

Does sister count ? Because after that, I got why hurricanes used to only be named after women.

 

[kyrlian]

no...

I mean, ending the relationship permanently with Sage necessarily changes the main plot, the story we're going to live.

when at the end of the fourth chapter Maya and Josy decide whether or not to accept MC's proposal that's a main moment of the story DPC wants to tell, but it's a universal moment, for all players.

Cathe leaving her underwear in Bella's car is a little trap.

I don't think having a relationship with Jade (and even more so showing the video to Burke) can be a little trap, limited to the relationship with Sag.

I think it's going to have a more general effect, maybe even in the encounter we saw begin at the end of last chapter.

No. Your pov as a player is "your love story with Sage" but the point of view of the developer is not, you don't write that, you write the story of Tremolo who meets a girl (or a lot) and you need to plan the story with that in mind. A story that spans 16 chapters. A Dik player will be rejected by M&J but still have 12 chapters to go.

This limits your choices and what happens to the main story, for example the story needs you to be at least friends with M&J so you can't say "fuck the throuple". Why? Because some plot points in the main story (after that choice) involve Maya and Josy, you spend time with M&J in a lot of places, parties, class, the library, etc. Then you go with Maya, Josy and Sage and find the photo. You will spend more time if you are in a relationship (that's the optional branch and the optional content) but the main story requires that you keep M&J as friends, adding the option 'I don't want to be friends' would require to rewrite and rerender 50% of the game and that's impossible because we will have lots of choices like that and that 50% extra soon is 100% extra and then 200% and your game is a mess and development will end in 2074.

So, what happens at the Burke's has to follow the same rule because if has to affect all players. There will be players who fucked Jade and players who didn't and so on and so on for every choice related to the Burkes (the restaurant, Tybalt, Sage, Jade, etc), and you can't develop at this point several different main storys according to what you did before. You can only do that in the final chapters, then the sum of choices will give you your ending.

But these choices can affect the branches (Romance with Sage, Jade, etc). Maybe Jade will divorce, maybe not, Maybe Sage will want a threesome with her mother, maybe she will kick Tremolo's balls but what happens cannot change the main story in a fundamental way because is the same for all players, and some of them have avoided Sage, Jade, are only friends with Maya and havent been mean to Tybalt.

 

[DavDR]

we can speculate for months but in the end it will be what DPC wants to be, sage can freak out and kill MC and jade or she can be cool with that and dont give a fuck
its on DPC hands

Yes, and an author can write whatever story they want. But they have to make it believable to make the story work.

In the story we can believe that MC beats two jocks when they catch him in the gym, we've seen him training with his Father so it's plausible. But if DPC had decided to have monkeys fly out of MC's butt and carry him off to safety it would have just been ridiculous shit. Sure this is an extreme example, but it illustrates how the story has to be somewhat plausible, has to flow from the previous narration, for the reader to digest it.

So however DPC decides to handle the situation with Sage and Jade and MC it has to fit in with what we already know about these characters and their story. And that gives us some idea of whats coming. So from what we've seen so far I just don't believe that Sage could fail to react badly to this situation.

 

[KekWGgWP]

One more reply. I don't think you guys are getting just how big a thing it is for a woman to find out that you fucked her Mother. You just can't imagine the powerful cosmic forces that are released by such an act.

Now as your homework assignment I want all of you to go out and fuck your girlfriend/wives Mom. If you are still alive next week you'll understand.

Most of you people miss one thing, when MC was fooling around with Jade, he wasn't in any serious relationship with Sage, they were only fuck buddies and it was nothing serious between them, so you can't fuck your girlfriend's mom if you don't even have a girlfriend.
Sage implied multiple times that she has no problem with MC fucking other girls, because they weren't in any relationship, sure she will be pissed if she finds out that her boyfriend was messing around with her mother, but that was BEFORE they got together if the player chose so, so i highly doubt this will break the future relationship with Sage.

 

[DavDR]

Most of you people miss one thing, when MC was fooling around Jade, he wasn't in any serious relationship with Sage, they were only fuck buddies and it was nothing serious between them, so you can't fuck your girlfriend's mom if you don't even have a girlfriend.

Don't use logic when she's angry.

 

[JohnnyBlazePT]

Yes, and an author can write whatever story they want. But they have to make it believable to make the story work.

In the story we can believe that MC beats two jocks when they catch him in the gym, we've seen him training with his Father so it's plausible. But if DPC had decided to have monkeys fly out of MC's butt and carry him off to safety it would have just been ridiculous shit. Sure this is an extreme example, but it illustrates how the story has to be somewhat plausible, has to flow from the previous narration, for the reader to digest it.

So however DPC decides to handle the situation with Sage and Jade and MC it has to fit in with what we already know about these characters and their story. And that gives us some idea of whats coming. So from what we've seen so far I just don't believe that Sage could fail to react badly to this situation.

yeah and i agree with you but after acting lessons... i think most of us are always expecting for the worst and unpredictable shit to happen

 

[KekWGgWP]

Don't use logic when she's angry.

She will be angry and that will affect their relationship, but like i said, it will not break it

 

[J.A.L.]

No. Your pov as a player is "your love story with Sage" but the point of view of the developer is not, you don't write that, you write the story of Tremolo who meets a girl (or a lot) and you need to plan the story with that in mind. A story that spans 16 chapters. A Dik player will be rejected by M&J but still have 12 chapters to go.

This limits your choices and what happens to the main story, for example the story needs you to be at least friends with M&J so you can't say "fuck the throuple". Why? Because some plot points in the main story (after that choice) involve Maya and Josy, you spend time with M&J in a lot of places, parties, class, the library, etc. Then you go with Maya, Josy and Sage and find the photo. You will spend more time if you are in a relationship (that's the optional branch and the optional content) but the main story requires that you keep M&J as friends, adding the option 'I don't want to be friends' would require to rewrite and rerender 50% of the game and that's impossible because we will have lots of choices like that and that 50% extra soon is 100% extra and then 200% and your game is a mess and development will end in 2074.

So, what happens at the Burke's has to follow the same rule because if has to affect all players. There will be players who fucked Jade and players who didn't and so on and so on for every choice related to the Burkes (the restaurant, Tybalt, Sage, Jade, etc), and you can't develop at this point several different main storys according to what you did before. You can only do that in the final chapters, then the sum of choices will give you your ending.

But these choices can affect the branches (Romance with Sage, Jade, etc). Maybe Jade will divorce, maybe not, Maybe Sage will want a threesome with her mother, maybe she will kick Tremolo's balls but what happens cannot change the main story in a fundamental way because is the same for all players, and some of them have avoided Sage, Jade, are only friends with Maya and havent been mean to Tybalt.

Very well explained. That's why some situations, dialogues and scenes don´t have a lot of sense into the game, like pieces of a puzzle hammered into place. Sage has to be best friend of Tremolo, even if Tremolo never teaches her playing guitar or agrees in being her "fuck buddy". Tremolo has to be best friend of M&J even if they hurt his heart. Things like those. I would rather a less ambitious and more rounded story. Less characters and branches. One main mystery: Tremolo´s mom and her relationship with the Royce's. And one main source of danger and problems: Quinn´s ring of prostitution and drugs. That´s more than enough for a game like this one. I would prune M&J branch completely.

 

[Olsens.M]

This is certainly an interesting theory, but unfortunately game design does not work that way.
There were certain problems with the economy in the game. The player was earning too much and there was nowhere to spend the money. And there was a certain limit on the amount of money in the purse. The player could find money in Maya's room, in mini-games. And the player could spend money mainly by buying girls in a restaurant. If the choice of restaurant really affects the path so much, then there is no sense in mini-games and motivation to earn money in them.

yeah the main situation here: Once you chose Sage on episode 8. you automatically break up with Jade. It won't even give you a decision to remain having an affair with Jade. So in my point of view, MC is covered. He didn't know Jade was Sage's mother. Once he took his relationship with Sage seriously, more than a fuck buddy, he break up with Jade. And it is not like he was fucking Jade knowing she was Sage's adoptive mother. So he wasn't doing nothing wrong other than having fun. Lets remember that Tremolo is single andSage was in a relationship while fucking Tremolo. And her father is also a cheater. Burke has been trying to have a date with Isabella as well. Better, He has been trying that for a while now and they already have history. My mc, never did anything bad against Tybalt. SO honestly. If Sage decides to end up the relationship with my MC because of things he did before they start dating. I don't even care lol. I will just date someone else. My mc, so far, on her path, didnt do anything wrong towards her.