VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

My fear is they will all still remain good friends in spite of how they've been treated:

• Bella accepts it's the right thing to do, but she's hurt (unless she's the one who ends it, but ultimately it's the same result).
• M&J somewhat amicably dumped the mc way back, after which their friendship was never stronger, so when he dumps them, I'm sure they'll bounce back with each other.
• Jill ends their relationship humiliatingly in public, while he begs for a second chance, all while decreeing (not asking) "And you'll be my friend...", after which the mc was like, "Yeah, I deserved that". All because he saw his sick friend... separate rant here.
• Sage is like, "Cool, maybe we'll hook up later, but I won't wait for you (but I will)".

It's funny because it's Jade who takes the breakup hard, when all along she's doing it to fuck with Stephen and it's so blatantly a doomed relationship.

It is annoying that we don't see most of the breakups in Episode 8; it really makes the episode feel half baked. And I've already complained about the way turning down Jill's surprise party was handled.

That said, I don't think most of the girls will be treated badly enough to ruin the friendships. Jill obviously could be if you deliberately break her heart or she dumps you for being insufficiently DIKish (go figure!). Maya & Josy might be if you really romanced them in Season 2 only to bail at the crossroads, but even then staying friends through that would make more sense than remaining friends if they rejected the MC in Episode 4.

Out of all the shitty mini games the mansion mini game was actually fun , but 73 extra bucks...... and here i thought i did very good with my run

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If you want to run up the score in the mansion mini-game, max out the Dumpster as soon as it starts. It gives you way more experience to spend as you fix the mansion, for a trivial $4.

Tbh the other LIs don't seem too compatible on a friendship route and with Bella in a non romantic path appearing more as a mentor to the MC at least for me it seems that way but Sage comes off as such a natural friend and the way she handled the rejection felt so mature just like with Bella but that was too be expected

I disagree somewhat. The Sage friendship is by far the best, but the other LIs all have shared interests or personalities that mesh well with the MC. They aren't BFFs, but their friendships make sense... as long as nothing irreconcilable happens that would stretch those bonds past the breaking point.

Unfortunately, getting rejected by Maya & Josy would definitely break those bonds. Some of the fallout from the crossroads might as well, we'll have to wait and see. So I agree the friendships are dubious in some cases, but I think they work well enough most of the time.

Oh btw Bella wishes the MC a happy birthday despite not being on her path whereas the others just vanish , yeah they are real good friends lol

That's mostly incorect. Maya and Josy will wish the MC a happy birthday via text. Sage will wish the MC a happy birthday after her sparring session if he's not her fuckbuddy; she won't if he is (blame the rebound guy speech yet again), but she does say it's good that he celebrated his birthday during her hangout. Jill tries to wish him a happy birthday as well, she just goes way overboard planning a big surprise and then gets strangely fatalistic if the MC happens to have a prior engagement.

Ughh, that scowl.

Anyway, the reason that I play and most importantly critique this game is because it's a very prominent game in this medium. Prominent work in any medium is emulated and influential. And I care about this medium and games in general. I want them to be good, therefore I can not let bad work stand unopposed.

I'm not willing to put up with BaDIK's, or Fallout 76's, or Last of Us pt2's. I will call them out for their flaws and demand better work from the developers. And I wish that all of you would too.

Trust me, I understand the instinct; I have very unpopular tastes on a lot of matters. There's nothing wrong with pointing out flaws in a work, and sometimes we all need to vent a bit. But eventually it's good to take a step back and recognize that other people really do have terrible taste, and at a certain point harping on how terrible it is becomes little more than raining on their parade. It's okay to agree to disagree once you've made your case.

if maya had madame's body she might have a few more fans
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Great googly moogly. For an instant I think I caught a glimpse of what Maya looks like in DavDR's world. I feel cold.

 

[Garen]

- Sage: I can´t possibly imagine a reason why Tremolo wouldn´t want a sexual and romantic relationship with that bombshell, but whatever. Let´s imagine that. Sage tries to manipulate Tremolo at the beginning of the game to spy Chad, and Tremolo ends up being a target of Chad and the Alphas. Its not a good beginning for a friendship. Actually, I don´t like that presentation of the character of Sage at all. But we can´t change it, so... Then Sage keeps asking for favors: teach me how to play guitar, teach me self defense... It makes sense if Tremolo is looking for something, but spending so much time with a girl that is mostly asking for things and that is a potential source of troubles with a half-man half-gorilla like Chad, only by "friendship"... I don´t thin so.

Fellas is it gay if wanting to fight Chad was one of my original motivations for pursuing Sage

 

[Journey95]

I really hope there is an option to still romance other girls even if we picked one of the main girls in the last update, would be kind of boring to be forced into one route for 4+ episodes (assuming there is at least one more season, maybe there will even be more).

 

[Journey95]

This is my best girl poll from a few months ago (posted on reddit and here), overall over 3000 people have voted:

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1. Sage (1173 votes)
2. Jill (776 votes)
3. Bella (635 votes)
4. Josy (342 votes)
5. Maya (187 votes).


Thoughts? Sage overall seems to be the most popular girl by far (which I get, she feels like the most fun and realistic romance option and she has great chemistry with the MC & no drama so far)

 

[shazba]

I really hope there is an option to still romance other girls even if we picked one of the main girls in the last update, would be kind of boring to be forced into one route for 4+ episodes (assuming there is at least one more season, maybe there will even be more).

It's funny how that works. You spend 8 episodes trying to "get the girl" and when you get her, you're hoping for another girl.

 

[Olsens.M]

It's funny how that works. You spend 8 episodes trying to "get the girl" and when you get her, you're hoping for another girl.

He should just make multiple gameplays for all of them. My main route I go for others, no reason, after losing josy to my mc go into a serious relationship with anyone else so soon. The way DPC wrote my mc trying to force a relationship on sage kinda killed my vibe in dating her. She wanted a fuck buddy, MC and Sage both just kind of got out of a relationship to jump in another serious one being exclusive to each other makes no sense to me. So, even though I have gameplays for all paths to include all girls, my main choice will always be others.

 

[PashafromRussia]

It's funny how that works. You spend 8 episodes trying to "get the girl" and when you get her, you're hoping for another girl.

Yes, after you choose a certain girl, all your actions will affect the relationship with her. You can tell the truth or lie, you can cheat on her or stay loyaty and all in the end it will lead to whether you will continue to date or not.
But on the other hand, there is a player on the side of Others who can fuck any girl without consequences. I wonder how long he will be able to do this with impunity. I hope DPC doesn't come up with a drama like this
Riona: Did you fuck with Tremolo yesterday?
LILY: Yes, so what. Are you his girlfriend now?
Riona:....
And runs away.
When Jill rejects you, you automatically fall into the path of Others. The same thing will happen here. Bella breaks up with you, and you get on the path of Others where no one is interested in you (because you're a Chick) and you spend the rest of the game without sex.

 

[DavDR]

Trust me, I understand the instinct; I have very unpopular tastes on a lot of matters. There's nothing wrong with pointing out flaws in a work, and sometimes we all need to vent a bit. But eventually it's good to take a step back and recognize that other people really do have terrible taste, and at a certain point harping on how terrible it is becomes little more than raining on their parade. It's okay to agree to disagree once you've made your case.

And as I've said maybe a hundred times in this forum, if my opinions bother anyone then I invite them to ignore me. It's really easy to do.

But I have no obligation to stifle my own opinions just because someone else doesn't like them.

 

[Journey95]

It's funny how that works. You spend 8 episodes trying to "get the girl" and when you get her, you're hoping for another girl.

Tbh the MC was just banging everyone possible in my main playthrough. At the end I chose Sage but I feel like it was kind of rushed (considering her route so far). Also a game like this would get boring if you have to stay loyal to one girl for that long but I guess there is always the others option

 

[ename144]

It's funny how that works. You spend 8 episodes trying to "get the girl" and when you get her, you're hoping for another girl.

I'm pretty sure I that I spent 8 episodes trying to get the girl(s) only to complain I'm still waiting to get them.

And as I've said maybe a hundred times in this forum, if my opinions bother anyone then I invite them to ignore me. It's really easy to do.

But I have no obligation to stifle my own opinions just because someone else doesn't like them.

Well, that depends. If you care about improving the quality of the media as a whole, you should care bout making the most persuasive arguments possible. If all you're interested in is trolling, then feel free to be as confrontational and irascible as possible.

 

[J.A.L.]

Man.. Your posts are always entertaining to read.
But I must disagree with this one, I mean you don't really need her friendship for that, you can get HOTs yourself when you are with DIK's.
So being friends with her is pretty much useless, but still it's better to be friends with Sage, than with M&J duo, because who cares about them?

Tremolo is not a DIK yet when he starts his friendship with Sage. But, over all, being a friend of Sage and Quinn means to have the door of the HOTs´ house open. The other HOTs see you around being a friend for the president and the vice-president and think "this is a nice, decent guy, not just a horndog". Having a good relationship with Sage and Quinn gives Tremolo advantages if he´s into Riona or Camila, for example. You can see them in more situations, not only parties or at the hallways of B&R. Making friends with the girl friends of the girl you actually like is a classic move, man! If the friends of a girl accepts you, you have half of the work done with her.

 

[J.A.L.]

Sage has done something else good for Tremolo. She introduced him to the realities of campus. Explained to him how fraternities work.

You have the wrong thought process with Maya and Josy. They are not lesbians. Tremolo falls in love with both of them. And through the friendship and the Maya-Patrick problem, Tremolo gets a chance to get to know the Burkes privately in EP8. That would be completely pointless without the friendship with Maya. Who knows where that will lead Tremolo.

Man, I have explained this like a hundred of times. Tremolo is forced to have a crush with Josy. Then is forced to have a crush with Maya. Both of them decide to seduce Tremolo, attract him towards them, in spite of being into a lesbian relationship. Josy at least tell Tremolo that is into a relationship, even if she´s not clear about it. But makes Tremolo believe that this relationship is ending. Maya, not even that. She maintains Tremolo in the Dark, but at the same time she kisses him and try to seduce him. The worst way possible: being ambiguous, like if it were an innocent act. The attitude of the both of them is despicable. Masters of emotional manipulation.

When everything explodes, there is only 3 reasons why Tremolo would like to continue being close with them: he wants to be bigamous, he wants to steal Josy from Maya, or he wants to steal Maya from Josy. So he swallows the pride and humiliation of being emotionally manipulated and continues trying to seduce one or the two of them.

But any man with at least half working brain would cut the ties with them. There is no win in remaining close with one or two girls that you have feelings for, and are into a lesbian relationship. The only reason Tremolo would continue being close to them is not a healthy friendship, but emotional blackmail. M&J have made Tremolo feel bad about leaving them to solve their problems by their own. They have sucked him into their personal dramas and continue asking for his help with Maya´s and Josy´s parents and involving him into their problems to the point that Tremolo is no more able to say "no, let me away from all your problems" without feeling bad with himself. Again: EMOTIONAL BLACKMAILING. That´s not friendship, is a toxic relationship of which Tremolo, plausibly, will be hurt.

Tremolo gets the chance to met the Burkes in private because of M&J problems? OK. Why would Tremolo would like to met the Burkes in private? Actually, it´s another problem for him. Hence the "fuck, fuck, fuck", instead of "great, I´m going to met the Burkes". Proves that, being close with M&J is only a source of problems for Tremolo. That friendship doesn´t work as a narrative resource. Unless DPC´s intentions were create a toxic relationship between the MC and two manipulative drama queen lesbians, to warn the player about the dangers of being involved with that kind of people.

Again: BaDIK would be way better without them. They belong to their onw VN with a linear story and 4 paths: Bigamy, to steal Maya from Josy, to steal Josy from Maya, or a bad ending in which the player ends up alone. That´s all.

 

[Journey95]

Man, I have explained this like a hundred of times. Tremolo is forced to have a crush with Josy. Then is forced to have a crush with Maya. Both of them decide to seduce Tremolo, attract him towards them, in spite of being into a lesbian relationship. Josy at least tell Tremolo that is into a relationship, even if she´s not clear about it. But makes Tremolo believe that this relationship is ending. Maya, not even that. She maintains Tremolo in the Dark, but at the same time she kisses him and try to seduce him. The worst way possible: being ambiguous, like if it were an innocent act. The attitude of the both of them is despicable. Masters of emotional manipulation.

When everything explodes, there is only 3 reasons why Tremolo would like to continue being close with them: he wants to be bigamous, he wants to steal Josy from Maya, or he wants to steal Maya from Josy. So he swallows the pride and humiliation of being emotionally manipulated and continues trying to seduce one or the two of them.

But any man with at least half working brain would cut the ties with them. There is no win in remaining close with one or two girls that you have feelings for, and are into a lesbian relationship. The only reason Tremolo would continue being close to them is not a healthy friendship, but emotional blackmail. M&J have made Tremolo feel bad about leaving them to solve their problems by their own. They have sucked him into their personal dramas and continue asking for his help with Maya´s and Josy´s parents and involving him into their problems to the point that Tremolo is no more able to say "no, let me away from all your problems" without feeling bad with himself. Again: EMOTIONAL BLACKMAILING. That´s not friendship, is a toxic relationship of which Tremolo, plausibly, will be hurt.

Tremolo gets the chance to met the Burkes in private because of M&J problems? OK. Why would Tremolo would like to met the Burkes in private? Actually, it´s another problem for him. Hence the "fuck, fuck, fuck", instead of "great, I´m going to met the Burkes". Proves that, being close with M&J is only a source of problems for Tremolo. That friendship doesn´t work as a narrative resource. Unless DPC´s intentions were create a toxic relationship between the MC and two manipulative drama queen lesbians, to warn the player about the dangers of being involved with that kind of people.

Again: BaDIK would be way better without them. They belong to their onw VN with a linear story and 4 paths: Bigamy, to steal Maya from Josy, to steal Josy from Maya, or a bad ending in which the player ends up alone. That´s all.

Agreed, Maya & Josy at this point are a waste of resources and don't deserve to be main girls (honestly some of the side girls are way more appealing, see Lily for an example). They had a good start (especially Maya) but since the twist they have been kind of lame and kind of take away the fun of the game when they appear even when you are not on their path.

 

[Garen]

But any man with at least half working brain would cut the ties with them. There is no win

Me booting up scrappymod to cut them off because throuple blocks access to the 'Others' route

 

[PashafromRussia]

 

[felicemastronzo]

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good eye

but not knowing either of them, in this case I would say that DPC has simply reused the same model.

 

[PashafromRussia]

good eye

but not knowing either of them, in this case I would say that DPC has simply reused the same model.

The robbery of Quinn is one of the important plot twists and intrigues. I just can easily imagine when this guy first robbed Quinn, sold drugs to Vinnie and then came to Pink Rose to drink alcohol and molest girls using the money he received. I don't think DPC would use the same model for two such important scenes.

 

[wakkawalla]

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what's that old dude doing in college?

 

[felicemastronzo]

The robbery of Quinn is one of the important plot twists and intrigues. I just can easily imagine when this guy first robbed Quinn, sold drugs to Vinnie and then came to Pink Rose to drink alcohol and molest girls using the money he received. I don't think DPC would use the same model for two such important scenes.

the scene at the pink rose is not at all important and only a few players see it.

 

[skyhelm]

i have a question if i m a massive check is there any chance example josy will found out i fuck sage and leave me for that ? that can be fuck bella ande jill eave me or fuck jill and maya leave me, just want to know if they can found i cheat her with massive chick , thanks for answering