VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[dalli_x]

Oh I don’t disagree with you about her character it’s just not something that facilitates conversation. In my opinion what you see is what you get because her 180 is so transparent and out of the blue you have no choice but to take it for what it is. Can’t look deeper because it’s just… there.

Like you said (and I touched on with how stupid the blackmail scenario is) she does stuff, it’s all over the place but it comes from nowhere and just… happens.

She doesn’t spark the same wild twisting debate a lot of other characters actions and motivations do.

In some ways I think it’s because DPC favours her. We get more exposition and background. She’s fleshed out at times to a greater degree than most LI.

She is what is written on the tin, even if the tin has nonsense written on it for a few episodes.

Edit: thinking about it more… often her motivations preceded her behaviour. Sage only just revealed a lot about her personality and so on from the adoption. We’ve no clue what Bella’s big secret is. Quinn is up in the air too. We see their actions and he reveals their motivations later.

Jill is generally the other way around. She telegraphs her issues with bullying with exposition. On the first date she makes it clear she had bad experiences and doesn’t date. She has an entire monologue episode before last to reveal her motivations regarding apprehension with sex seconds after she tells the MC about them.

Jill is, compared to most, an open book. We don’t have to debate why she was apprehensive about sex. She monologues her entire thought process. We don’t need to discuss why she’s anti-bullying… she tells us. Family issues, shit with her sister… all outlined basically in full the moment they come up. That’s very different to the other girls.

I agree with you for the most part. But I don't think DPC prefers Jill. DPC himself wrote that he doesn't prefer any LI from the beginning. He enjoys seeing characters develop in the game.

Jill is a very good example of that. Isabella gives Jill a keynote speech about what is wrong with Jill's views on people and the world. She has always been protected by Isabella. But Isabella is tired of always taking care of Jill. At least that's how I understand the garden speech before the 1 date with Tybalt. Bella doesn't want to be Jill's white knight anymore. Isabella helps Jill again and the MC also helps Jill on the 2 date (tennis). Now comes the 3 date with Tybalt. When the MC rushes to Jill's aid, Jill simply replaces her white knight Isabella with the MC and the fairy tale continues. But when the MC doesn't help her, Jill finally wakes up and stands up for herself. That's where I see the real development of Jill. Snow White wakes up and becomes a stone cold raccoon.

That's what DPC loves. The development of all the characters.

 

[hFIcwooKGrUnui1Tg1CZ]

Is it possible to download the game art? I have unlocked alot of the renders and want them for my wallpaper

It is very possible, just download UnRen.bat v0.91 here on F95zone and extract all game content with the "1) option"

 

[PashafromRussia]

I agree with you for the most part. But I don't think DPC prefers Jill. DPC himself wrote that he doesn't prefer any LI from the beginning. He enjoys seeing characters develop in the game.

Jill is a very good example of that. Isabella gives Jill a keynote speech about what is wrong with Jill's views on people and the world. She has always been protected by Isabella. But Isabella is tired of always taking care of Jill. At least that's how I understand the garden speech before the 1 date with Tybalt. Bella doesn't want to be Jill's white knight anymore. Isabella helps JJill again and the MC also helps Jill on the 2 date (tennis). Now comes the 3 date with Tybalt. When the MC rushes to Jill's aid, Jill simply replaces her white knight Isabella with the MC and the fairy tale continues. But when the MC doesn't help her, Jill finally wakes up and stands up for herself. That's where I see the real development of Jill. Snow White wakes up and becomes a stone cold raccoon.

That's what DPC loves. The development of all the characters.

t's not like that. Jill's reaction to Tybalt's proposal contradicts her image. She is a kind, sweet and naive princess who is friendly to everyone. Don't forget that Jill has defended Tybalt several times in front of Bella and even pitied him on a tennis date. Such an outburst of aggression is more suitable for Sage than for Jill. I am sure that DPC did not want to anger the antiNTR lobby, which is why he came up with this cheap trick with an angry Jill.

 

[PashafromRussia]

DPC can and will solve Maya's problem. After that, Maya will be popular again because Maya will be the carefree girl again when the MC met Maya.

Only Maya's problem is not of her own making and it is an existential problem. She tries to solve it on her own by joining the HOTs. But Maya, Josy and the MC realize that and DPC also writes that the problem is too big and they need help.

Before you write again that Quinn is solving her problem on her own, which is not the case because Sage had to help Quinn too, I'll jump ahead. It also depends on how you solve a problem. The wrong and criminal way like Quinn or the right way, even if you need help.

Maya's problem is that she's an idiot.
She is completely unable to analyze the situation and see the consequences of her actions. DPC screwed up a lot with her and she will have to settle in the library to get smarter dramatically. MC needs to arrange with Bella for Maya to be hired.

 

[dalli_x]

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I don’t know where you come up with these stuff. There’s absolutely no hint or reference in the game that Josy and Jill are related in any way (and no, them wearing the same color pants doesn’t suffice for it).

Same thing with the John Boy being Stephen and Jade’s son theory just because his initials are J.B, which could be interpreted as John Burke.

So far the only clues as to who might be related in the game are either Troy and Melanie or Troy and Sarah.

I have specially written "Just one example nothing more:". It is only an example without any proof or reference to a text passage.

 

[mistermwa]

Any chance to find the ost as a downloadable content?

 

[Ieatyourshoes]

Is this update have season 2 included ?

 

[Next-Gen Videogames]

Is this update have season 2 included ?

Yes indeed, version 0.8.2 includes season 2(Episodes 5 to 8).

 

[roneef]

First thing someone is going to ask is were or are you using mods?

no mods, just unzip the game and go from there.

 

[znar25]

DPC can and will solve Maya's problem. After that, Maya will be popular again because Maya will be the carefree girl again when the MC met Maya.

While certainly possible. I am curious about another possibility.

In the final scene in the apartment we have:

Stephen
Jade
Sage
MC
Maya
Josy.

It could be possible that at the meeting, Stephen's world is already crumbling around him and his criminal activity is certain to be made public very soon.

This means the damage is so severe that besides possible jail time, Jade will take him to the cleaners with a big divorce settlement.

He has to do something. Therefore at the beginning of the meeting:

1) Stephen excuses himself;
2) starts a fire that is sure to start an instant conflagration;
3) leaves having already created a useful alibi (arranged by Quinn).
4) assuming the above mentioned remaining characters do not survive, Stephen plans to pin all of the criminal activity on Sage.

However, MC alerts to the sudden massive fire just in time to save one person:
1)Jade;
2)Sage;
3)Maya;
4)Josy.

Of course if Sage is picked, later it will turn out that Stephen will go to jail as Sage will be able to have a chance to discredit any involvement in the criminal activity.

 

[mightybored]

Stephen has already got the rumor mill/public opinion against him, the article in the paper Tybalt was showing off proved that.

 

[DavDR]

Maya of the first season was liked by almost everyone and was in the top. When Josie arrived, Maya completely disappeared into their childhood love triangle. I suppose DPC would like to preserve her individuality even in the conditions of their threefold relationship, but he does not know how to do it. Apparently, the rejection of her character, built on a constant search for support and help, is so great that even those small scenes of intimacy with MC do not help. I think that we have already gone so far in history to dramatically change its character.
Maya is really a stupid and naive girl. There are many contradictions and illogicalities in her story. She is one of those about whom they say that "they often eat before thinking". Nobody likes stupid people. DPC got too involved in creating drama around her that he made a complete idiot out of her.

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

 

[mindern]

besides the sincerity you talk about, in my opinion the reason for Jill's mass success is that she is basically a solution and not a problem in MC's life, and this makes her incredibly reassuring (and maybe even "maternal")

even in the never too reviled, at least by me, moment of Tybalt's blackmail, she "solves" a problem of MC's in her own skin, she takes charge of a problem of MC's.

but just in general, Jill doesn't want anything from MC, doesn't need anything that isn't related to their relationship.

this aspect in the landscape of sentimental and character insecurities (which for example create the NTR nightmare in anything) i think really makes a difference

And even when she introduces “problems” they’re not even on her route or involving her. She’s relatively drama free. Closest she comes to being drama is on Bella’s route after the window reveal.

Take the Bianca introduction. She rocks up, one of Jill’s closest friends and it neatly progresses the relationship with MC. They bond and so on. Bianca’s relationship with Jill is outlined almost in full. Their precise connection, general friendship… how their families know each other… she slots into an already fleshed out background for Jill with no real ambiguity.

But somehow a scene about Jill creates drama for other characters arcs. Bianca is implied to have connections largely independent of Jill with the MC’s family. Her friends cheating is a plot point on, of all people, Quinn’s route.

Basically all the questions raised from meeting Jill’s friends are on routes she isn’t automatically involved in.

I’ll say it again… you know what you’re gonna get with Jill.

 

[felicemastronzo]

There is one way DPC could fix Maya.

It's an idea that I've had for quite some time but I've been reluctant to propose it as a theory because there just isn't enough to back it up. Though it does fit the circumstances. Let's just call it a suggestion.

What if Maya isn't as stupid as we thought? What if she's just lying (no big stretch there)?

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

I mean it does sound like a bad lie told by a teenager.

how exactly would this revelation help Maya's reputation?


you are a very dangerous friend

 

[vogelbeest]

What if the situation is this, Maya's Father is the one paying for her college, he threatened to withhold that payment after he found out about Josy. Maya could refuse his help and take out a student loan but she doesn't want to. She doesn't want to burden herself. She wants the free ride. Of course if another opportunity came up, like free tuition, that would be great. She would have her tuition and Josy too. But as it is she can wait, but she can't tell Josy that would end the relationship. So she makes up the whole student loan story.

Derek is seriously in the way of any credibility to that theory....

 

[Jimayo]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see it

Most women who ride horses lose their hymen.

 

[DavDR]

how exactly would this revelation help Maya's reputation?


you are a very dangerous friend

Well for one, she wouldn't look so stupid. A second point is it's just the kind of twist that fits DPC's style. And it would certainly help DPC's reputation as a writer if that catastrophe of a student loan could be explained.

But I was really taken by the idea of the inconsistent character of the LI's from season 1 to 2. Maya lied constantly and easily throughout the first season. Someone who lies like that doesn't just stop.

 

[reidrigo]

Maya of the first season was liked by almost everyone and was in the top. When Josie arrived, Maya completely disappeared into their childhood love triangle. I suppose DPC would like to preserve her individuality even in the conditions of their threefold relationship, but he does not know how to do it. Apparently, the rejection of her character, built on a constant search for support and help, is so great that even those small scenes of intimacy with MC do not help. I think that we have already gone so far in history to dramatically change its character.
Maya is really a stupid and naive girl. There are many contradictions and illogicalities in her story. She is one of those about whom they say that "they often eat before thinking". Nobody likes stupid people. DPC got too involved in creating drama around her that he made a complete idiot out of her.

I can't agree with you, m8. Maya from de first season was a stranger for the protagonist, so a stranger for us aswell. Like on real life, people created a image of her being a cool girl, but with the time we end knowing who she trully are: a person with a lot of flaws and problems. It are common on real life relationships, you meet a person, and with time that person show a personality totally different of what you are expecting, and I see Maya development like that: a person with problems and flaws, who hide her true personality.

That being said, I can't agree that it was write problem, at least for me, its a good character development, even not being what people expected.

 

[Ieatyourshoes]

Yes indeed, version 0.8.2 includes season 2(Episodes 5 to 8).

Thanks

 

[hakuna-matata]

And Speaking of Jill. Where is the god damn Blood? or May be my monitor is too dark and I don't see it

Quite honestly, I never thought I would say this on the Internets..... Not everyone bleeds. I didn't my first time and I was afraid I would have. He wasn't the smallest guy either. Although, I was sore for days. No, I do not ride horses.

Why are some guys obsessed with virgins bleeding?