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None of the above BUT we are not in a relationship... hence it's not cheating
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Loved 'The Hunt for Red October'! (One of my all-time faves)
Sean Connery, Alec Baldwin = awesome
Don't know how to add 'spoiler' (sorry) but James Earl Jones (DarthVader) where the torpedo's just about to hit and his hand comes on screen & presses the sel-detonate button.
Looks at the guy at the controls & says "You heard the torpedo hit the hull... and I was never here" *& pulls out his CIA ID Badge*
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Right... next time a chinese dude pops up then we refer to " gimme a Ping ( Vasily ) "Loved 'The Hunt for Red October'! (One of my all-time faves)
Sean Connery, Alec Baldwin = awesome
Don't know how to add 'spoiler' (sorry) but James Earl Jones (DarthVader) where the torpedo's just about to hit and his hand comes on screen & presses the sel-detonate button.
Looks at the guy at the controls & says "You heard the torpedo hit the hull... and I was never here" *& pulls out his CIA ID Badge*
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* Sorry, long-winded
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he did not over react! they removed his ability to make an informed decision! thus they treated him as an object and not a means onto himself with the ability to choose!
had he been presented with the full situation and information then he would not have had the right to bitch, but he did not!
why did the girls lie? because most likely he would have droped them?
fuck he did not drop Josy ... he was being honest!
the girls lieing shows their weakness and inability to trust him, unlike he as trusted them!
them lieing also shows they play a duplicitous game they refuse to drop their current relationship,
but also want to keep their options open and resort t lies to have their cake and eat it too!
it means they like the MC and lie because they are afraid of his reaction!
stupidly all unfounded except for their own projection onto the MC of what they would do if in his position,
instead of acknowledging that the MC is an entity capable of his own decisions (you know a human being)!
they removed the MC`S humanity when they lied to him and tried to turn him into an object for their own gain!
So no the MC did not over react!
Well i dunno if you noticed but they lied to each other as much as they lied to him. Josy and Maya got back together while still lieing to each other. That's one of the reasons that MC refused to talk to them for so long in season 4.
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Is the MC responsability according to the argument being held (if i correctely understood varage post). There are not one but two different aproach about the question. For one way of thinking you are held responsabile by the negative outcomes of your actions, by the other you are also responsable for the negative outcomes of your lack of actions. It doesn't matter how you think about this you can't think about this problem in terms of aboluts. If you see a guy dying of thirst and you have galleons of water, if you let him die you area total sheet, at the same everyone will acknowledge a limit in how much you can sacrifice for the well being of others.
I know where you stand in this argument, i disagree, i find your position horrible, but I am not going to make an argument out of this. What it should matter if was messege beetween varage and me wich was made from a previous agreement.
Now to claim that the cheating is not the issue is completely made out of your ass. It's as absurd that you could justify with it a woman having sex right in her wedding day with the best man as long as it is in the table during the reception while the husband see it crying. And the girl still can shoot between orgasm and orgasm: "Hey babe, it's not cheating couse I am being honest about it".
It's not how gelousy work and it's not how cheating work. If your girlfriend came to you and told you that she just slep with a guy, she never lied at any point and yet every man would be angry, and it's legitime. The liying part you made it out of your ass, literally and completely.
And that's the correct aproach of course.
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You make it sound like this whole thing is / was part of a masterplan !
Ofc they HAD history but none of them KNEW they would end up together at B&R... Or is another conspiracy blooming on the horizon ?!? 
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I am not straw manning you, I am saying i find your position horrible. And that's completely true. I sayd I am not going to argue this since is not relevant to the point being made and i will thank you that do not talk about us as left retards, specially when you are talking with me since you know i am a leftist.
And that's made out of your ass.
People has gelousy even when they are not in a relationship and has no string attached at all, and yet you claim there is no pain even when they are in a relationship?
In the example I used, in your replica they had a mutual agreement, the wife broke it, that is the problem. If she was being honest but change their mind at mid time it's not relevant.
Now your life it's far from any conclusive evidence since people usually get out of the norm and you are definetely out of it. However your girlfriend asked not to slept with that woman, couse you sleeping with her would had hurt her, couse the cheating is the problem. If you were honest with her and sayd to her, i would gonna fuck anyway, that would be a problem in the relationship, that's why you lied in the first place and sayd you would not. That's why people lied, to avoid concecuences, and thoose concecuences are held for the cheating, therefore the cheating is the problem.
If the cheating will not be a problem and if it were something normal and acceptable, like i dont know going to the groceries... people would not lie couse they dont have reasons to do. If someone lie to you about something you don't care, you don't care about the lie neither or just marginally, has not the same impact. Like if your girlfriend told you she was going to groceries but was actually in the cinema seeing kids movie and lie couse she felt ashame. You would not feel betrayed and angry, you will laugh at her for being chidlish. It's the gravity of the act you are being lie wich makes the gravity of the action, the lie itself is just marginal.
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Why don't you have the courage to post such a stupid Theory under your own name, Warscared? Such a crap can only come to you.
My theory, original dalli_x, about DIK is elegant and correct.
DIK<>KID
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That's only true of idiots. If someone lies to me about something trivial, I can't trust them on anything serious so they're out the door.
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But what you forgot to mention is what Josy said to Maya. That they're both the same thing. So just as bad. The MC didn't cheat on either of them because he wasn't in a relationship. Actually, Josy and Maya cheated on each other with the MC.
The joke is actually that Josy and Maya continue to cheat on each other with the MC until EP8, but tolerate it. The MC is not really integrated into the relationship until EP8. It starts with the MC organizing the cuddle night for the two. What did the MC say to the two of them?
- He doesn't want to choose between the two. He has always gone back and forth between Josy and Maya until EP8.
- The MC doesn't have a fight with Josy and Maya, but they have been fighting. How does the MC feel about that? Like the 3 wheel on the bike or the 5 wheel on the car. It doesn't matter. But it becomes clear that the MC does not want to be excluded from such quarrels. But that's exactly what Josy and Maya did in EP7.
It is indeed as Josy and Maya had said. Complicated. The three of them actually don't start to function like a unit until EP8
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Then I don't know how you do in life. I lie, i don't know, 50, 100 times a day?. The first lie of the day is when people ask me "How are you doing" and i said: "Fine", mostly to avoid unpleasent conversations, sometimes to avoid make other people worried for things they can't fix anyway. From there is a long trip of lies, most of the them to avoid offending people or making feel ashame. I fail in doing so a lot of times, still i try. Sometimes I notice someone need some positivity, so i lie, after all that's what they need. I noticed how the people i know lie to me all the time for the same reasons, yet i know i can trust them on the important things. And they don't fail me. And I don't fail them neither.
You sir are missing the entire point of every one of my post my original post was why MC acted the way he acted to chapter 3 reveal. This is why he acted the way he acted not a Maya sucks everyone should hate her post that so many people love on this site. Even Maya admits during the we should make up / we should break up scene. She admits why she did it and she also proves to the audience that SHE cares for MC more than Jose does.
She's clearly the better of the two but the main reason he got so angry are three points i'll lay out now.
1. He betrayed Maya on a deep level without even knowing it. Josy being her girlfriend because he's a cheating dick. He had misgivings with being with Josy in the first place but he never realized he'd -know- the boyfriend/girlfriend let alone on such a personal level.
2. Maya lied to him. A HUGE issue after end of first chapter where she promised him to be more honest with him after forcing him to be 100% honest with her. Even after she already went through this once before at end of chapter 1
3. Maya and Josy were lieing to each other which is one of the main reasons I think that MC took it further by ignoring them a good portion of Chapter 4 when he saw them sitting together like nothing was wrong.
Yes, Maya admits she was wrong hunky dory and thats good for her. My post all of them were delving into the mind of MC not Maya not Josy even when i mentioned Josy lieing to Mia and getting back together with her that was also from the MC's point of view.
Did Maya eventually come to understand all this yes. Did she apologize to MC for it yes. "I built a wall to keep everyone out... Not realizing you were worth letting in." Did she prove to be emotionally supior to Josy, yes. She thought you were worth the risk though Josy was to scared no matter how much it hurt you. -This being if you are Dik affinity during the we should be together scene- If you go with Maya she admits you were only turned away because Josy didn't want it and what could she do she loved Josy too. If you go with Josy "She tells you the same thing about it being her fault and her being scared to end up alone."
Not to mention Josy will very nicely admit you were probably a mistake if you're anything but chick affanity.(Almost positive you get this if Neutral or Dik) "What we did would i do it again?" "I don't know."
Or "What we did would I do it again?" "I would."( if chik) Not exact words mind you but this is what i remember.
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On a story point of view I think it's weird that you don't hang out with Josy or Maya really at all without being on their thrupple route. As it stands it doesn't seem like you can go a Maya/Josy only route and if you can in the future. It would honestly feel ingenuine seeing as the last what 6 months you've been basically ignoring each other. Aka seeing how Josy's doing in the hots or giving Maya the tv for her room scene -sans sex of course if not in a thrupple- Though I'm sure the Maya hatters of the world would hate her being forced on you in this case.
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In possibilities for the MC that's certainly true, but if MC would be interested in Josy because that's just where his heart is?
Why would he need to assume he is in a monogamous relation? Josy says she is in a relation, a rocky one one but still...
It's clear however he feels he is not in a relation, maybe he wants to, but he's "the other", the third wheel....
With Maya it starts off as helping a friend and it evolves into something else but even with her he is "the other" and again there is no reason for the MC to feel any guilt but nevertheless he does.... (sure he can lie to Maya when going to Josy but he has no reason to except for maybe trying not to hurt Maya, why would a DIK MC need to lie to someone who is in a relation herself?)
So yeah, his reaction may be over the top, but i don't think it's fair to compare his relation with Maya And his relation with Josy as the same as the relation between Maya and Josy.... There's mixed signals from both girls but in the end the MC gets to be the one in the waiting room for the girls to evaluate their relationship.... And then he finds outs the real situation.....
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Just my two cents on this whole Maya/Josy/MC lying topic.
Personally I think people are giving too much weight to the girls feelings for the MC at the time. They were not in love with him… at all in my opinion. It was a crush. Josy makes multiple references to just how little they spoke. Before the start of the game all she had was MC staring. They had their date that ended in a kiss and their second data that ended in interrupted sex… Maya lived with the MC but was all over the map with her “feelings”. Either way it never progressed to much. We’re talking about a few weeks of knowing each other for both Josy and Maya. Even as of Ep8 nobody has said they love anyone outright.
I take the MC at face value when he says he was annoyed because of the lying. He didn’t feel betrayed, he didn’t think they cheated on him. He was pissed they lied by omission (Maya goes back and forth on having a partner and is oblique about their gender. Josy is the same and failed to mention her partner went to B&R).
The MC can admit he overreacted to the Ep4 reveal. I think people are putting too much stock in any sort of “betrayal” rather than it being the MC was pissed he got blindsided because those two lied by omission at best, outwardly lied at worst but it wasn’t infidelity levels of lying. It was… something the MC chooses to get over in Ep4 regardless of if he wants to be with them.
Personally I think people are giving too much weight to the girls feelings for the MC at the time. They were not in love with him… at all in my opinion. It was a crush. Josy makes multiple references to just how little they spoke. Before the start of the game all she had was MC staring. They had their date that ended in a kiss and their second data that ended in interrupted sex… Maya lived with the MC but was all over the map with her “feelings”. Either way it never progressed to much. We’re talking about a few weeks of knowing each other for both Josy and Maya. Even as of Ep8 nobody has said they love anyone outright.
I take the MC at face value when he says he was annoyed because of the lying. He didn’t feel betrayed, he didn’t think they cheated on him. He was pissed they lied by omission (Maya goes back and forth on having a partner and is oblique about their gender. Josy is the same and failed to mention her partner went to B&R).
The MC can admit he overreacted to the Ep4 reveal. I think people are putting too much stock in any sort of “betrayal” rather than it being the MC was pissed he got blindsided because those two lied by omission at best, outwardly lied at worst but it wasn’t infidelity levels of lying. It was… something the MC chooses to get over in Ep4 regardless of if he wants to be with them.
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Josy said she makes mistakes and has already made them. The MC only refers to herself and Josy does not know what the MC is to her. A mistake or no mistake. The way I see it is that the MC just feels cheated by the lack of communication. If he knew all the details, like why Josy and Maya lied and hid, his reaction might have been different.
There is one more thing that led to the overreaction. Trust. Rusty himself points this out to the MC in EP4's Pink Rose. There are two kinds of people in terms of trust. One builds trust slowly. This usually comes from the fact that these people have been massively disappointed before. So Maya. They then proceed more slowly before trusting another person. But in the case of the MC, it seems that he takes a leap of faith in people he has met. And that's what was actually abused by Josy and Maya.
So yeah. I think that the MC's reaction was justified. The two girls are actually still lucky in my playthrough that the MC can only go to Derek. This keeps them in the loop as far as the MC is concerned.