VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[OFT]

I reported this bug earlier to DPC:


I'm seeing weird issues in the Interlude with the rollback when selecting choices. If I pick a specific choice, then immediately roll back to the choice then roll forward again, the dialogue or action is sometimes not what I picked. Also, the selections influence what will automatically be chosen during roll forwards.

Examples:

For the first choice, if I select "Encourage him" and Zoey says "I know you have it in you...", then roll back and then roll forward, her dialogue changes to "You pedal like a girl!" However, if you select "Such a girl!" instead, then roll back then forward, the dialogue matches your choice.

Also, the history of choices seems to influence the "default" selection during the roll forward. If you select the "DIK" version for Zoey's first three dialogue choices, then when you get to the choice of "Talk back" or "Apologize" the roll forward answer will be different than if you had selected all "Chick" choices previously.

It also does the roll back/forward change for the choice of "Calm her down" or "Take her phone," which leads to two different scenes, not just two different dialogues.


If you haven't come across it already, here's the fastest way to see it at the start of the game:

Select the first choice:



You get this:



Roll back then roll forward, and you get this:




DPC says he found the problem and it will be fixed for the next version. But something bothers me about that second part of my report, in which the dialogues match the style of selections which preceeds them. It's almost as if Zoey might have a backend DIK or Chick affinity or status.

So, a request for the βββs in the room - do you see anything in the code that either tracks Zoey's personality or implies such a tracking?


Side personal admission: I'm no stranger to coding, but it's been a very long time. And while I'm sure if I saw the full code for BaDIK it would be something I could follow, I haven't taken the time to learn how to decompile it, much less find the time to comb through it. So I rely on others to look under the hood, which completely contradicts my DIY and computer nerd nature. In short...

 

[NewTricks]

Surely you're lying. I always wanted to be gay so i wouldnt have to deal with women's bs

Sorry dude. The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, unfortunately.

 

[NewTricks]

but when a man does it, there are fewer problems in calling him an asshole, and there is less effort to find justifications.

I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure that it's true. Everybody rationalizes and builds a narrative where they are the hero of their own story. This is what makes couple's therapy so challenging. Men and women alike are capable of redefining a relationship in their own mind and neglect to tell their partner. They are both likely to be confused when lines are blurry in a relationship. They both have a tendency to take their partner for granted at a certain point. And when things go wrong, they both find a way to make it someone else's fault.

 

[vogelbeest]

do you see anything in the code that either tracks Zoey's personality or implies such a tracking?

Well, there are 3 True/False variables that are carried forward from this Interlude: emma_calm, emma_cluck and zoey_dik, so it would seem to me that DPC WILL have something affected by Zoey's personality. We'll see whether that is impractical or not.

There ya go

 

[sixart]

There ya go

What is meant with emma_cluck ? The answer to it as " It's too late " and co ? Coz that cluck happened either way

 

[TimHawk]

If you do something stupid when you're 18, it's still stupid; there is no such thing as plenary indulgence for age.
then you, and the society, can be more or less indulgent on the consequences

bullying is a typical behavior of children and adolescents, it does not become soft and cuddly because the "young" do it

MC thinking about dropping out of college because he has an obnoxious and gruff roommate is as stupid as Zoey thinking it's her destiny to learn to surf

Well arent you a ray of sunshine... halfway expected you to bash religion and sports too while you're at it.

Now lets go over what you said. The MC "thinking" about leaving college is not even remotely close to being stupid, its a thought process, we have about 35.000 of those a day, give or take a few. MC leaving college, now that wouldve been stupid.

Destiny...unless my search decieved me, that word doesnt appear once in the entire interlude. Destiny is an outcome independed of choice, and I, for the life of me, cant even fathom a guess how you arrived there, when the entire first 25% are about Zoey explaining that surfing has always been her DREAM, her grandma supported her DREAM, and she ends up making the choice to follow her DREAM. A concept which is cherrished by at least one country that I know of and fail or succeed, rarely considered to be stupid.

So dont be so negative bro, its all good !

 

[vogelbeest]

What is meant with emma_cluck ? The answer to it as " It's too late " and co ? Coz that cluck happened either way

You can talk or take the phone, talk will give emma calm true. After you take the phone you can delete the post or get back, one of these options will give the emma cluck true. (not sure wich one but my guess is get back gives the Emma cluck true)
You might have posted her private pic's on her rooster before you flushed the phone.... Atleast Zoey did! What a B.... !

 

[zeromike]

If you don't think that men demonstrate these same troubling behaviors in their relationships it is only because you have never dated them.

Lol ok. Well Tremelo's imaginary boyfriend/fuck buddy didn't come back after a drama filled attempt at becoming a professional dancer. Who cares about what guys do lol? The story is she has some problems and then bing! "lightbulb moment" I'll go surprise my friend or whatever the hell is he is to her. I've had women come back when they have problems-it is always the same story so for me the actual story isn't appealing. It wasn't supposed to be the definitive very last comment about human conduct.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

What is meant with emma_cluck ? The answer to it as " It's too late " and co ? Coz that cluck happened either way

It's about the other cluck that is posted when Zoey grabs Emma's phone, runs to the bathroom, posts a nude picture of Emma (which we unfortunately do not see) and flushes her phone in the toilet

 

[SteveyP]

01. my MC is not a fuck friend of Sage and still gets the picture sent by Sage.

02. the MC does not get nervous when the Pink Rose Girls enter locker room. The MC is full of respect. What does he say to that? He just wants to give the girls enough space to prepare for their work.

1. I already clarified that one of the photos was sent by a Sage who likes the MC, and that's the only instance. It wasn't even a nude picture either. Just a photo of her ass in some panties

2. You can pretty much tell that he's a little jittery. He's not stumbling over himself or anything. But he makes the clarification that the girls are changing to show respect and he shouldn't go in because of that. One the dialogue options is to say the girls are making him nervous...

 

[NewTricks]

Lol ok. Well Tremelo's imaginary boyfriend/fuck buddy didn't come back after a drama filled attempt at becoming a professional dancer. Who cares about what guys do lol? The story is she has some problems and then bing! "lightbulb moment" I'll go surprise my friend or whatever the hell is he is to her. I've had women come back when they have problems-it is always the same story so for me the actual story isn't appealing. It wasn't supposed to be the definitive very last comment about human conduct.

Hey now. It is just all about framing. Turning Zoey into an avatar for every woman that did you wrong is just as unwarranted as those who would be clucking their tongue at Tremolo for being fuckboi supreme. People leave and come back. Fall in and out of love. Fuck the wrong people for the wrong reasons. You don't need to ascribe nefarious gendered intentions built only on your own bitterness and dissatisfaction. It's not healthy, buddy. It will drag you down.

 

[Cricco]

Sorry dude. The grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence, unfortunately.

Damn And dude above saying we should follow our dreams, i'd be fucked if i had. Like actually

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well arent you a ray of sunshine... halfway expected you to bash religion and sports too while you're at it.

Now lets go over what you said. The MC "thinking" about leaving college is not even remotely close to being stupid, its a thought process, we have about 35.000 of those a day, give or take a few. MC leaving college, now that wouldve been stupid.

Destiny...unless my search decieved me, that word doesnt appear once in the entire interlude. Destiny is an outcome independed of choice, and I, for the life of me, cant even fathom a guess how you arrived there, when the entire first 25% are about Zoey explaining that surfing has always been her DREAM, her grandma supported her DREAM, and she ends up making the choice to follow her DREAM. A concept which is cherrished by at least one country that I know of and fail or succeed, rarely considered to be stupid.

So dont be so negative bro, its all good !

I haven't condemned them to death. everyone does stupid things and everyone makes selfish gestures, human beings are like that. only I reject the supreme excuse of youth used as if it were a defect...


going back to the examples. Mc doesn't think about leaving, he goes way beyond that, he packs his bags and is ready to go, the coincidence of having found Derek and that Maya has decided to take him in saves him from doing a huge stupidity. have others done it too? it doesn't change anything

from my point of view I don't see much difference between dream and destiny, the dream is what one wants to do, the destiny is what one feels one has to do, but dream is fine, abandoning everything to take a great vacation, squandering the money of the inheritance and learning to surf let's say it is not among the dreams that make the world a better place


everything is fine, but stupid is who the stupid does

I see what you are saying, but I'm not sure that it's true. Everybody rationalizes and builds a narrative where they are the hero of their own story. This is what makes couple's therapy so challenging. Men and women alike are capable of redefining a relationship in their own mind and neglect to tell their partner. They are both likely to be confused when lines are blurry in a relationship. They both have a tendency to take their partner for granted at a certain point. And when things go wrong, they both find a way to make it someone else's fault.

on this I perfectly agree

in fact in the context of a porn game the best narrative is to see every female character as a victim of events to be forgiven and helped, and every male character as a threat or someone lucky beyond his merits

but of course it is not so

 

[sixart]

You can talk or take the phone, talk will give emma calm true. After you take the phone you can delete the post or get back, one of these options will give the emma cluck true. (not sure wich one but my guess is get back gives the Emma cluck true)
You might have posted her private pic's on her rooster before you flushed the phone.... Atleast Zoey did! What a B.... !

It's about the other cluck that is posted when Zoey grabs Emma's phone, runs to the bathroom, posts a nude picture of Emma (which we unfortunately do not see) and flushes her phone in the toilet

You both are right... dunno why but I would have not named it emma_cluck but revenge = True/False or something... coz I was thinking primarily on the released cluck BY emma and not the retaliation... anyhow thanks both of you to have cleared this up !

 

[Walter Victor]

It's about the other cluck that is posted when Zoey grabs Emma's phone, runs to the bathroom, posts a nude picture of Emma (which we unfortunately do not see) and flushes her phone in the toilet

Actually, I believe those are the photos of Emma that Zoey took on the beach. They vary by our choices in that scene.

 

[aarbei23]

All right, I just finished the interlude and... meh.

The good: Zoey turned out to be nicer than I expected her to be (smart move to let the player play as Zoey).

The bad: She's introduced into the story too late. Zoey was just some girl of the MC's past. After spending so much time with (and inside of ) Sage and Bella, I don't really care that much about Zoey. Especially since we already had to make a choice between the girls. It probably would've worked better if Zoey was always there in the background. She mentioned sending the MC some messages, but I don't really remember seeing any of them? Or maybe the interlude should've been released before BaD? I just don't think it really works at this time. Yes, the MC likes Zoey, but for me as the player I spent way more time with Maya as "the first girl".

Anyway, now we'll have to wait again . At least it was nice to see Sage making a small appearance in the story :

Spoiler: Sage's cameo

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[FatGiant]

Ok! Serious question time:

If you don't initiate Flirt with Jade is her path closed? How does that change the Chapter 8 ending? Is it indifferent, by that I mean, it will happen no matter what?

I want to be sure there's no problem with Sage, or, make sure Maya gets the money to be free from her dad, best way I could come up with was to don't have Jade being a issue. Does anyone know if (so far) it works?

Thanks in advance. (If there is a better way to ensure that, feel free to say)

 

[IcemanVincy85]

Now lets go over what you said. The MC "thinking" about leaving college is not even remotely close to being stupid, its a thought process, we have about 35.000 of those a day, give or take a few. MC leaving college, now that wouldve been stupid.

MC has just arrived in B&R: got bully by Jocks and DIK and Quinn play with him...it's understandable that he says "fuck this, i'm out." He did the same thing when Stanley threw out the Pink Rose, but he was drunk. It's his behavior, we could choose his path and major decisions but his attitude we can't change it. So MC it's not stupid, he always behave like this and he will keep doing it....

 

[vogelbeest]

Ok! Serious question time:

If you don't initiate Flirt with Jade is her path closed? How does that change the Chapter 8 ending? Is it indifferent, by that I mean, it will happen no matter what?

I want to be sure there's no problem with Sage, or, make sure Maya gets the money to be free from her dad, best way I could come up with was to don't have Jade being a issue. Does anyone know if (so far) it works?

Thanks in advance. (If there is a better way to ensure that, feel free to say)

If you refuse Jade she is gonna fume a bit and threaten to fail you, nothing much else happens in the rest of the story. Yeah she doesn't like you, but who cares? If her paths remain closed only the future can tell.

If you opened the Jade path, we can't tell if Jade will be a problem for Maya's tuition or if it would help, it might be just a problem for MC if he dumped her at the end of chapter 8, we just don't know...

Besides that the tuition from Burke can go everywhere, most optimistic he says yes and that's it, happy ending, but that's an anticlimax to the story so highly unlikely, so expect a no from Burke and either some blackmail from Jade for the MC or a Quinn that whispers Maya the suggestion she might get it afterall if she does the nasty with Burke...

Whatever happens it most likely will end in exposing Burke, that much seems logical.... But it may be at the end of season 4.

 

[lipe2410]

Ok! Serious question time:

If you don't initiate Flirt with Jade is her path closed? How does that change the Chapter 8 ending? Is it indifferent, by that I mean, it will happen no matter what?

I want to be sure there's no problem with Sage, or, make sure Maya gets the money to be free from her dad, best way I could come up with was to don't have Jade being a issue. Does anyone know if (so far) it works?

Thanks in advance. (If there is a better way to ensure that, feel free to say)

The "fuck fuck fuck" happens no matter your relationship with Jade. No one knows if have a affair with Jade will affect Sage or Maya's tuition