VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[ename144]

You talk about looking at the context of her actions but you basically ignored said context afterwards, yes, Zoey acted in a very egotistical way and neglected pretty much everyone who cared about her, but she had just lost one of, if not THE most important person in her life, her actions weren't entirely rational, and that's pretty much the lesson she learned in the Interlude, you only see the true worth of things when you don't have them anymore.

I neither love or hate Zoey, but saying the Interlude fails to convey how she feels towards both the MC and herself is something I don't agree at all.

I technically agree: the Interlude makes it clear she considered him a friend (with benefits). She thinks highly of him, but then again she doesn't really think about him all that often. She takes his support for granted and never goes to him for comfort or advice. When she thinks he might see her as more than a friend, she decides to limit communications with him to discourage that thought. Even after the crisis with Emma is resolved and she learns that might have been a mistake, she still does nothing to communicate with him until at most a couple weeks before she runs out of money and heads home. That certainly reads like a friend to me.

There is some reason to believe that may be changing in the final scenes, but it's extremely ambiguous. If I somehow hadn't played the rest of BaDIK, I'm not sure if I'd say she saw the MC in particular in a new light, or was just generally homesick. DPC could have made this much clearer if Zoey discussed the MC with her friends before she left, or even if we heard some of her conversation with Neil. As is, it's clear Zoey misses the MC but unclear if she misses him as a friend or as the one that got away.

We'll presumably learn the truth in Episode 9, but that just goes to show how unnecessary the Interlude was.

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Read into it what you will.

Let's think.

Okay, my guess is there will be many hijinks at the Halloween Party caused by someone in a plague doctor costume and their identity will be a new mystery for the new season.

If Acting Lessons takes place in ~2019-2020, what year is Being a DIK? Given that MC and Liam were once in DIK and are somewhere mid-thirsty, and BaDIK MC joins frat 2-3 years from formation.

I suspect BaDIK takes place in 2017. Derek claimed Earl Grey graduated in '17 and he intended to pose as a recent alum. This would also fit some of the calendars seen in game, though I'm not sure we can trust that kind of evidence.

But as noted, there is no direct continuity between BaDIK and AL, so the exact year of one has no impact on the other.

 

[anon2323j]

I know this behavior seems odd and very selfish on Zoey's part... Because it is...

I'm just having trouble why are people finding it so hard to believe. Men or women, lots of people do these things to their friends, whether it be sexual, emotional or otherwise. This happens a lot in real life, so I find this scenario very believable and grounded storytelling.

Friends lose contact and get back in contact all the time.
(best/boy/girl)-friends are different. If you go longer than 1-2 weeks without talking to them you got a problem, unless they're deployed in the military I guess.

 

[Rudy286]

Nothing serious, but I'm about to graduate soon and I started university in 2018, somehow this game is still going

 

[gamingdevil800]

If you go longer than 1-2 weeks without talking to them you got a problem, unless they're deployed in the military I guess.

Lol no... I have friends who live hundreds of miles away sometimes don't message them for months but as soon as I meet up with them again it's like we pick up exactly where we left off. The only problem with this is they were banging and MC was interested in more but Zoey was not. So Zoey thinks she can just walk back in like nothing has changed when in reality it's going to be awkward. MC didn't seem interested/too happy about it in that interlude ending anyway

 

[DavDR]

I know this behaviour seems odd and very selfish on Zoey's part... Because it is...

I'm just having trouble why are people finding it so hard to believe. Men or women, lots of people do these things to their friends, whether it be sexual, emotional or otherwise. This happens a lot in real life, so I find this scenario very believable and grounded storytelling.

My problem is the way the story is going. From the first DPC has made the MC something of a doormat. He totally Simps for Josey and Maya, even after they reject him. The last thing this story needed was another woman to use the MC as a doormat, and yet here comes Zoey.

 

[D2M3]

My problem is the way the story is going. From the first DPC has made the MC something of a doormat. He totally Simps for Josey and Maya, even after they reject him. The last thing this story needed was another woman to use the MC as a doormat, and yet here comes Zoey.

I have a particular viewpoint on this, and the whole DIK/CHICK system in general.

What we have here is not KOTOR. We don't get a blank canvas MC.

BaDIK is the Witcher of adult games. Our protagonist comes with a set backstory, set of beliefs and core characteristics. Even in his DIKest, he is maintaining a modicum of respect to the women in his life for example, or even in his CHICKest, there's a violent streak in him.

Put simply, he is a sort of Geralt-like protagonist. We can determine his quirks via choices, but not his core beliefs.

This aspect, what you call him being a doormat, is a very clear outcome of being motherless + being an outcast + poor + only having a very dominant personality best friend / girlfriend for his formative years.

It is what makes him the MC of this story. Just like I can't really help anyone who doesn't like Geralt to like Witcher games, I can't really say anything to someone who dislikes MC that way. It is a part of the artist's vision and part of the story.

Now, there's a disagreement I will put forward. MC is not a doormat. In fact, when presented with the situation, he's the first one that says 'f this' and fucks off from Maya/Josy drama. Depending on route taken, he disentangles himself from that mess in most paths. But he doesn't stop being their friend.

That's not being a doormat. That's being a decent person. You also have to remember, this guy has a chivalrous streak he can't keep in check at all times. He sees these two girls he cared for in one way or another, and just can't let them suffer by themselves. This is not that much different to walking with Sage so she isn't alone when in emotional pain, or trying to stop an asshole that keeps calling Lily a whore.

It's the same principle for him. It is one of the most consistent thing that MC has, actually. And I quite like that consistency in storytelling and characterization.

 

[SomboSteel]

I have a particular viewpoint on this, and the whole DIK/CHICK system in general.

What we have here is not KOTOR. We don't get a blank canvas MC.

BaDIK is the Witcher of adult games. Our protagonist comes with a set backstory, set of beliefs and core characteristics. Even in his DIKest, he is maintaining a modicum of respect to the women in his life for example, or even in his CHICKest, there's a violent streak in him.

Put simply, he is a sort of Geralt-like protagonist. We can determine his quirks via choices, but not his core beliefs.

This aspect, what you call him being a doormat, is a very clear outcome of being motherless + being an outcast + poor + only having a very dominant personality best friend / girlfriend for his formative years.

It is what makes him the MC of this story. Just like I can't really help anyone who doesn't like Geralt to like Witcher games, I can't really say anything to someone who dislikes MC that way. It is a part of the artist's vision and part of the story.

Now, there's a disagreement I will put forward. MC is not a doormat. In fact, when presented with the situation, he's the first one that says 'f this' and fucks off from Maya/Josy drama. Depending on route taken, he disentangles himself from that mess in most paths. But he doesn't stop being their friend.

That's not being a doormat. That's being a decent person. You also have to remember, this guy has a chivalrous streak he can't keep in check at all times. He sees these two girls he cared for in one way or another, and just can't let them suffer by themselves. This is not that much different to walking with Sage so she isn't alone when in emotional pain, or trying to stop an asshole that keeps calling Lily a whore.

It's the same principle for him. It is one of the most consistent thing that MC has, actually. And I quite like that consistency in storytelling and characterization.

at least in Witcher 3 when you pick girl the deal is done and the drama is over lol. and on top of that you even get trolled by the devs for trying for the harem ending

i wish DPC actually did emulate the Witcher more haha

 

[Heycock]

I know this behaviour seems odd and very selfish on Zoey's part... Because it is...

As long as I aprove you trying to explain the A, B, C, of relationship to that lunatic who is so self-absorbed by his own slavist fantasy that misstook decent behaviour with being a doormat...

I can't agree with this.
Maybe we had different life experiencebut where i live, when i was in high school Zoey behaviour is not selfish at all. It's natural.
High school relationship lasted 1 year at best, and people broke them just couse they wanted to fuck different people. Some people spent some time depressed after that but after a weak they were cool again, fucking around. More often than not a break up didn't even mean thoose people stop having sex or being friends. And life went on.

When relationships means so little... to break them for something more significant than life goals is not selfish at all.

Now you can claim that badik is closer to your life experience than mine... but that doesn't seem the case at all. MC didn't talk about her relationship as something significant. Zoey even less. We have seen a lot of break ups in Badik an noone took them in a bad way, the MC, the girls, etc...

The only one who have been really emotionally struck by a break up were Jade, Sage and DavDR.
Besides them everyone is cool about it.

 

[D2M3]

As long as I aprove you trying to explain the A, B, C, of relationship to that lunatic who is so self-absorbed by his own slavist fantasy that misstook decent behaviour with being a doormat...

I can't agree with this.
Maybe we had different life experiencebut where i live, when i was in high school Zoey behaviour is not selfish at all. It's natural.
High school relationship lasted 1 year at best, and people broke them just couse they wanted to fuck different people. Some people spent some time depressed after that but after a weak they were cool again, fucking around. More often than not a break up didn't even mean thoose people stop having sex or being friends. And life went on.

When relationships means so little... to break them for something more significant than life goals is not selfish at all.

Now you can claim that badik is closer to your life experience than mine... but that doesn't seem the case at all. MC didn't talk about her relationship as something significant. Zoey even less. We have seen a lot of break ups in Badik an noone took them in a bad way, the MC, the girls, etc...

The only one who have been really emotionally struck by a break up were Jade, Sage and DavDR.
Besides them everyone is cool about it.

Mate, I in no way intimated it was unnatural behaviour.
It is natural. And it is also selfish.

And I dunno about y'all, but my experience both observing AND being a teenager / young adult in high school / uni taught me one thing about us all: We are all selfish dickheads, some of us especially so in those ages.

Doesn't mean most of us are bad people. We are just incomplete and still in growth stages of personality. Some people never get past that stage.

Zoey isn't a bad person in this story. She's just herself, someone who made a choice and now gets to live with consequences.

Ain't no hate here.

 

[DavDR]

I have a particular viewpoint on this, and the whole DIK/CHICK system in general.

What we have here is not KOTOR. We don't get a blank canvas MC.

BaDIK is the Witcher of adult games. Our protagonist comes with a set backstory, set of beliefs and core characteristics. Even in his DIKest, he is maintaining a modicum of respect to the women in his life for example, or even in his CHICKest, there's a violent streak in him.

Put simply, he is a sort of Geralt-like protagonist. We can determine his quirks via choices, but not his core beliefs.

This aspect, what you call him being a doormat, is a very clear outcome of being motherless + being an outcast + poor + only having a very dominant personality best friend / girlfriend for his formative years.

It is what makes him the MC of this story. Just like I can't really help anyone who doesn't like Geralt to like Witcher games, I can't really say anything to someone who dislikes MC that way. It is a part of the artist's vision and part of the story.

Now, there's a disagreement I will put forward. MC is not a doormat. In fact, when presented with the situation, he's the first one that says 'f this' and fucks off from Maya/Josy drama. Depending on route taken, he disentangles himself from that mess in most paths. But he doesn't stop being their friend.

That's not being a doormat. That's being a decent person. You also have to remember, this guy has a chivalrous streak he can't keep in check at all times. He sees these two girls he cared for in one way or another, and just can't let them suffer by themselves. This is not that much different to walking with Sage so she isn't alone when in emotional pain, or trying to stop an asshole that keeps calling Lily a whore.

It's the same principle for him. It is one of the most consistent thing that MC has, actually. And I quite like that consistency in storytelling and characterization.

Comparing this writing to the Witcher is more than a bit of a stretch.

But I will ask you a question that I've asked everyone on this forum and never received an adequate answer for. Why would the MC consider Maya as a friend? I won't go into an in depth analysis of their relationship or Maya's many faults, that's been discussed to death on this forum and I'm sure that everyone is familiar with all of the points. Just show me where the "artist" has portrayed anything that could remotely be interpreted as a friendship between these two? And don't give me that it's taken as a given BS, that's the epitome of poor writing and you are the one throwing around comparisons to work like the writing in the Witcher.

 

[Heycock]

Mate, I in no way intimated it was unnatural behaviour.
It is natural. And it is also selfish.

And I dunno about y'all, but my experience both observing AND being a teenager / young adult in high school / uni taught me one thing about us all: We are all selfish dickheads, some of us especially so in those ages.

Doesn't mean most of us are bad people. We are just incomplete and still in growth stages of personality. Some people never get past that stage.

Zoey isn't a bad person in this story. She's just herself, someone who made a choice and now gets to live with consequences.

Ain't no hate here.

I now you dont hate her, ¡You are defending her!. And I meant by natural that it's an "ok" thing to do.
Let me explain. As I understand you see it as a minor fault. It's not ok but everyone does it so we should take it with patiente, tolerance, even offer guide to people on that position. If I get this wrong feel free to explain my mistake.
I am just saying that were I come from it's justified a break up under those conditions, that it's not a fault at all. My school was a little hippie though...

 

[noblesse30]

If you like pregnant women then yes

what? is she pregnant?

 

[noblesse30]

anyway, anyone got a link where i can get more being a dik GIF to put in my signature?

 

[Nscovil88]

What's the code to Zoey's diary?

EDIT: 2575

 

[Gh0st_Harambe]

What's the code to Zoey's diary?

2575

 

[Bendover885]

Why would the MC consider Maya as a friend?

Couple of things to say on this. One, his affection toward her was genuine, and he felt that it was reciprocated. Two, he sympathizes with her regarding her father. Three, with the benefit of hindsight he sees her caution regarding her relationship with Josy as somewhat justified. Finally, since he is a decent guy, he genuinely wants to help her out of this situation.

That's at least my rationale for why my massive CHICK MC is friendly with her. I've no idea what reasoning a DIK MC would use.

 

[Nscovil88]

How do you unlock the first 3 photos? I've completed the interlude, but the first 3 photos are still locked?

Ok, INTERLUDE does not have "Free Roam" like the first 2 seasons. Although there are still some items you need to click on.

However, I've replayed the game and it's still missing the first 3 MIXED photos. Even though I found all the magazines...

 

[AchedCroissant]

at least in Witcher 3 when you pick girl the deal is done and the drama is over lol. and on top of that you even get trolled by the devs for trying for the harem ending

i wish DPC actually did emulate the Witcher more haha

I wish DPC will unban you

 

[OFT]

If Acting Lessons takes place in ~2019-2020, what year is Being a DIK? Given that MC and Liam were once in DIK and are somewhere mid-thirsty, and BaDIK MC joins frat 2-3 years from formation.

Gonna make me dust this one off.

Let's think.

Okay, my guess is there will be many hijinks at the Halloween Party caused by someone in a plague doctor costume and their identity will be a new mystery for the new season.

Revenge of the Nerds?

 

[Daken9]

I know this behaviour seems odd and very selfish on Zoey's part... Because it is...

I'm just having trouble why are people finding it so hard to believe. Men or women, lots of people do these things to their friends, whether it be sexual, emotional or otherwise. This happens a lot in real life, so I find this scenario very believable and grounded storytelling.

It's not that Zoey's behaviour is unrealistic, it's that MC will likely never be allowed to call her out on it.

Like, if in E9 her dumb, selfish kid ways will be properly addressed and not just left conveniently forgotten because of the hokey boyfriend misunderstanding, then praise where praise is due and i might even give her a shot. If they are not, and i'm forced down yet another rabbit hole of forced drama because of yet another character i couldn't give two craps about, then fuck that.