VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TimHawk]

shazba TimHawk and others defending DPC's "writing".

DPC's writing is not good. I am giving you that straight up. He gives it to you straight up that his writing is his weak point in interviews with him. He can not follow logic/tell his tale to save his life. His story AL was terrible except for the wingman, and his story here is laughable except for the wingman. His MC's are particularly unlikable, and yes, his writing of Maya and her situation is completely stupid. This is supposed to be an American college. In all American colleges that are not rip off's like say tRump university, there are ways for students to get financial assistance if they are in need. Maya's "bank" problem is a money problem. The college financial folks can assist her in finding alternate means of funding her education with, or without her father.

DPC is a master at his renders, animations, and picking music that fits his art. He pretty well sucks at writing a coherent story.
Peace

Never said his writing is good, I said that the person who I replied to before, got it wrong. And yes there is a financial aid office at every College, and not a single one of them will care, if a student already has a full ride student loan. To qualify for financial aid, certain conditions have to be met, and Maya doesnt tick a single box.

 

[Arigon]

Never said his writing is good, I said that the person who I replied to before, got it wrong. And yes there is a financial aid office at every College, and not a single one of them will care, if a student already has a full ride student loan. To qualify for financial aid, certain conditions have to be met, and Maya doesnt tick a single box.

She does if her daddy isn't paying.
She needs funding for college. Whether it is spending money or dorm/tuition money, the girl needs money. At a minimum the college will have resources to assist students in finding jobs. Whether those are workstudy type jobs does require financial aid evaluations being performed. If her father is being a douche, this won't qualify her for much of course, but they would still help her find a non hoe job.

 

[RedGlow]

What some people seem to keep forgetting is that the time passed within the story is currently quite short; and most of the characters haven’t known about Maya’s problems for very long.

The mc's only known Maya for about 2 months, since they've only just sat their midterms, and he's only known about her dad's black mail for about half that time.

Since he's known, the mc has also been dealing with heaps of other shit, and hardly spent much time considering Maya's predicament (a huge amount of his time has been dealing with his own issues, like repairing the mansion and fucking as many girls as he can ).

Derek has known the longest, but he's not exactly reliable; he's definitely not someone we'd expect to be dispersing sound financial advice.

I'm not sure how long Josy's known about the blackmail for, but she's even complained that Maya isn't trying to solve her own problems. They've been fighting and bitching with each other half the time.

So even though we, the readers, have had ages to discuss the issue, the characters in the story have not.

To make matters worse, Maya had dreamed up her hairbrained scheme of joining the HOTs and having them pay for her tuition, so she put all her eggs into that basket, only to have it fall through. By then she'd pretty much wasted the first month of college without even considering other avenues for solving her situation.

Then after sulking and wasting more time, Maya is now relying on Sage trying to help her.

I wouldn't call this bad writing, I'd say it is Maya's fault for being dumb (she was deliberately written that way). She's been called out for it by Josy:

Spoiler: Josy's not impressed

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And the mc's had a go at her for constantly dramatizing it all:

Spoiler: Stop whining Maya

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If anything, DPC has managed to characterise most of the prominent characters quite well. They have a few inconsistencies (proving they're not just computer programs... well actually... they are ), but on a whole each character is defined well enough that we come to expect certain behaviour from them.

So it's not shitty writing that in the stretch of roughly a couple of months, a handful of characters, who have been dealing with numerous distractions, haven't come to the rescue and solved all of Maya's problems yet.

Personally I find it quit perplexing that anyone can work their way through this game, pay full attention to everything it has to offer, and turn around and suggest the game has shitty writing.

Of course the game isn't perfect, but the detail, foreshadowing, dialogue, and direction are so far above most of the competitors here, I wonder where these critics are getting their reference for what good AVN writing is.

This is gonna come out of blue i know but i can't believe both Maya and Sage are taller than MC

 

[TimHawk]

She does if her daddy isn't paying.
She needs funding for college. Whether it is spending money or dorm/tuition money, the girl needs money. At a minimum the college will have resources to assist students in finding jobs. Whether those are workstudy type jobs does require financial aid evaluations being performed. If her father is being a douche, this won't qualify her for much of course, but they would still help her find a non hoe job.

But he IS paying, thats what everyone seems to confuse. You're a lawyer, Maya was 18 and signed co-ownership of her loan to her dad, now i critisized that many times, because thats not how it work. but from the College perspective, everything is dandy.

 

[fasdfaq123]

Honestly, this debate of whether DPC is a good or bad writer seems endless, so better to play the best game on this site "Sex with Hitler", I hear it helps fight stress.

 

[vogelbeest]

Well, lets be fair, would you rather play a game that's mostly about the legal correctness of contracts, financial aid options for the educational system, unavailable LI's because they're working 24/7 to support themselves, but has good writing by those standards although there's really nothing happening....

Or do you want to play BaDik or whatever other game that has an interesting story?
I dunno, sometimes you should really just accept some parts of the story are not exactly 100% real life proof, in BaDik this mostly happens for story reasons, so i don't see any problems....

 

[Arigon]

But he IS paying, thats what everyone seems to confuse. You're a lawyer, Maya was 18 and signed co-ownership of her loan to her dad, now i critisized that many times, because thats not how it work. but from the College perspective, everything is dandy.

Actually, I am not a lawyer, my room mate from college was, I am an engineer.
However, yes you are correct that there is that nagging poor representation of how the funding for the college would go, but still, she is cut off, so she is going to need money, and she could go to the college to discuss at least the possibility of work around town or other places.

 

[Arigon]

Well, lets be fair, would you rather play a game that's mostly about the legal correctness of contracts, financial aid options for the educational system, unavailable LI's because they're working 24/7 to support themselves, but has good writing by those standards although there's really nothing happening....

Or do you want to play BaDik or whatever other game that has an interesting story?
I dunno, sometimes you should really just accept some parts of the story are not exactly 100% real life proof, in BaDik this mostly happens for story reasons, so i don't see any problems....

Oh I am not particularly hung up on the legal aspects here.

I do cringe when I read this story, and I am 100% playing the steam version, was a patron on Patreon briefly, and now playing here on a pirate site because of the tig bitties. DPC does art very well

Otherwise, most of my amusement on the thread comes from occasionally making comments on here and watching the fanboys rise to defend the holy father of BADIK.

I am not nearly as well behaved on this thread as I am on my more usual one(s).

 

[Arigon]

Josy is a dwarf (to some, petite to her fans of course) and she talks too much (I don't find it particularly annoying but Derek has developed his Jojo filter)

ISABELLA is cold and distant; Bella is passionate and caring, humorous and playful though

Bella is my soul/sole reason for being a BADIK fan!

 

[TuffyTenToes]

 

[Arigon]

DPC's terrible writing would not be a regular order if it wasn't true. Maya's illogical funding issues also would not keep coming up if they made any sense whatsoever. So while I enjoy the comic, it just does a great job of trolling DPC graphically for me!

 

[znar25]

ISABELLA is cold and distant; Bella is passionate and caring, humorous and playful though

Well said.

 

[felicemastronzo]

What some people seem to keep forgetting is that the time passed within the story is currently quite short; and most of the characters haven’t known about Maya’s problems for very long.

The mc's only known Maya for about 2 months, since they've only just sat their midterms, and he's only known about her dad's black mail for about half that time.

Since he's known, the mc has also been dealing with heaps of other shit, and hardly spent much time considering Maya's predicament (a huge amount of his time has been dealing with his own issues, like repairing the mansion and fucking as many girls as he can ).

Derek has known the longest, but he's not exactly reliable; he's definitely not someone we'd expect to be dispersing sound financial advice.

I'm not sure how long Josy's known about the blackmail for, but she's even complained that Maya isn't trying to solve her own problems. They've been fighting and bitching with each other half the time.

So even though we, the readers, have had ages to discuss the issue, the characters in the story have not.

To make matters worse, Maya had dreamed up her hairbrained scheme of joining the HOTs and having them pay for her tuition, so she put all her eggs into that basket, only to have it fall through. By then she'd pretty much wasted the first month of college without even considering other avenues for solving her situation.

Then after sulking and wasting more time, Maya is now relying on Sage trying to help her.

I wouldn't call this bad writing, I'd say it is Maya's fault for being dumb (she was deliberately written that way). She's been called out for it by Josy:

Spoiler: Josy's not impressed

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And the mc's had a go at her for constantly dramatizing it all:

Spoiler: Stop whining Maya

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If anything, DPC has managed to characterise most of the prominent characters quite well. They have a few inconsistencies (proving they're not just computer programs... well actually... they are ), but on a whole each character is defined well enough that we come to expect certain behaviour from them.

So it's not shitty writing that in the stretch of roughly a couple of months, a handful of characters, who have been dealing with numerous distractions, haven't come to the rescue and solved all of Maya's problems yet.

Personally I find it quit perplexing that anyone can work their way through this game, pay full attention to everything it has to offer, and turn around and suggest the game has shitty writing.

Of course the game isn't perfect, but the detail, foreshadowing, dialogue, and direction are so far above most of the competitors here, I wonder where these critics are getting their reference for what good AVN writing is.

On the management of the characters I agree with you completely, they should simply be accepted with their imperfections, which ultimately define all of us, or do you think you are a list of merits?

sure when we get away from the characters, let's say the side plot, of stuff "not well written" there is different, but let's say it's side dish.
and the reference there is the simple and banal logic

 

[sixart]

Well said.

A true SIMP indeed

 

[felicemastronzo]

Well, lets be fair, would you rather play a game that's mostly about the legal correctness of contracts, financial aid options for the educational system, unavailable LI's because they're working 24/7 to support themselves, but has good writing by those standards although there's really nothing happening....

Or do you want to play BaDik or whatever other game that has an interesting story?
I dunno, sometimes you should really just accept some parts of the story are not exactly 100% real life proof, in BaDik this mostly happens for story reasons, so i don't see any problems....

just keep it at the edge of the narrative

no one wants to know how the wicked witch poisons the apple, but if you show me the recipe and the doses I have to ask myself some questions

 

[vogelbeest]

There simply needs to be a reason for Maya to pursue the free tuition, one that can't be solved in any simple way.
The point of Maya's blackmail is, it is tied to Maya ultimately being in a situation she has to choose to have sex with an old man in order to solve her problem. Maya's blackmail is tied to Burke's free tuition scheme and any end to either storyline is the end of the other, they will be solved in the story by the same events and Burke's exposure... Quinn may be redeemed or not, but even the restaurant is simply part of that storyline...

Could DPC have done it different? Yeah, he could have written a blackmail version where Quinn somehow gained photo's or a video of Maya having sex with somebody that's not MC or Josy.... In other words NTR... But even that would have had some additional weak points being discussed in extreme, besides ofcourse the usual NTR bash yo mama anti or pro bull shite...

Without Maya wanting that tuition there is no reason to even have the restaurant storyline other then for some lewds for a Dik affinity player and there's no point for the Burke sex for tuition storyline other then some restaurant girls being happy with the deal and a reason for Mona to leave. These storylines only are relevant for the threat they represent for Maya to get tuition.

 

[vogelbeest]

no one wants to know how the wicked witch poisons the apple, but if you show me the recipe and the doses I have to ask myself some questions

I see all this talk here about inheritances whether coming from a Burgmeister or not, perhaps gave you some wrong idea's....
Seriously, do not start feeding people poisoned apples! If you're entitled to any inheritance simply being patient is enough!

 

[sixart]

DavDR: I'm a dedicated Sage fan...
Arigon: Bella is my soul/sole reason...

Me:
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Carol in my mind, Bella in my heart


Maya be filled with gratitude, knowing you guys here are deeply concerned and have been discussing, month after month, her tuition problem.

Please don't throw me onto that pile of #&@$ who waste their time on this As long as I'm not abducted by aliens and get experimented on... there won't be such an occasion where I care for such meaningless things

" Carol in my mind, Bella in my heart " Still... like a true champ of SIMP where the cherry on top comes across via Baracks Simping

 

[OFT]

You think DPC has ever adjusted the story because someone guessed the plot point?

He probably spends hours at his desk cursing dalli-x's name

DPC when he has a brilliant idea for a plot twist:




DPC when he reads the same thing in a Dalli post:

 

[znar25]

Jill pretends to be upset but she gets off on it and watching Bella and MC.