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Of course I can judge her for it; judging people by their actions is the only appropriate way to judge them. I'm not saying a she's a bad person because she has a character flaw, but I'm definitely saying she has a character flaw.I love how some of you think human emotions are black and white. Yes, she understand, but it does not mean she is not disappointed that something she wanted didn't go the way she wanted. You can't judge her for this.
She like a guy, and that guy chose someone else over her. She would be more understandable if its actually a relative to MC , his father his mother , sister, brother. But in the end of the day its just an another bitch , and Jill at this point knew MC dating with others. And Sage is not dying, its just having a fucking flu.
so yeah Jill is selfish, so what? No One actually bother to see this from Jill perspective.
I get it that it might be a sudden shift in Jill personality, but its miles better, than her sudden shift, of believing Tybalt based on just his words.
As was mentioned, the problem is precisely that Jill can only see this incident from her own point of view. She knows how important this picnic is - that she's defying Tybalt's ultimatum to give the MC the only gift she can give him AND that this is the best chance to left him down easily now that she's been 'forced' break things off with him. But she never stops to consider that the MC doesn't know any of that because she's refused to tell him all week! She never stops to consider that from the MC's point of view, Sage's mild cold is still a more immediate crisis than an impromptu date. She never thinks about how she'd feel if the MC bailed on her while she was sick to go on a spur-of-the moment date with some other girl.
And it's worth noting that the MC can tend to Sage even if he's not on her path. The basics of the Sage branch wouldn't really change if the MC had to tend to, say, Derek instead of Sage. So even the idea that Jill is jealous of Sage is, IMHO, fundamentally problematic because we know Jill's reaction doesn't actually hinge on the MC's actions. Jill is behaving like a paranoid girlfriend even as she refuses to tell the MC how important he is to her.
Once you see that, it's hard to ignore just how self-centered Jill is being here. Even if we accept that she's hopelessly naive rather than jealous, she still could have tried to reschedule with the MC once she had time to think things over. You'd think she'd *want* to give the MC another chance to prove himself (much as she rationalized a way to give him a first chance despite the ultimatum). But she never does. She goes from being borderline obsessed with the MC to writing him off for the rest of Season 2 (maybe more) in a single conversation.
People rightly give Maya a lot of flak for her passivity, but Jill takes it to a whole new level.Now personally, I prefer to chalk this up to lousy writing by DPC and either pretend the MC never knew Sage was sick (easy enough if you aren't on her path), or that Jill reschedules her picnic and events proceed otherwise unchanged. If we're lucky, Jill will behave more maturely in Season 3+ and we'll never need to dwell on what happens if you turn down the picnic. But at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way DPC handled the crossroad and the return of Zoey don't fill me with optimism for how Jill will be handled going forward.
I'm not saying Jill intended the picnic as some sort of test of the MC. I'm saying Jill takes the MC declining her 'special' picnic as a sign that the relationship isn't meant to be.
As you say, Jill believes in destiny, but she takes it to something of an extreme. She not only isn't willing to fight for the MC's affection, she sees the adversity itself as an indication something is wrong with the romance. That's why she will never try to reschedule the picnic when the MC is busy, and why she nearly collapses in tears if Josy or Sage recognize the MC's... handiwork at Tybalt's presentation.
Well, if we're talking about the scene as it happened within the context of the game, see my answer above.
If we're talking about the scene beyond the context of the game (as I prefer to do), then I still think the scene is badly implemented because choosing Sage has no upside unless you've already written off Jill (in which case you may well not even get the choice). Choosing Sage terminates Jill's romance instantly. Choosing Jill costs 2 RPs with Sage (that have yet to do anything in the whole course of the game AFAIK), and forces you to watch the Sandy/Nicole threesome on a separate save.
Personally, I think this was just a bad job by DPC. He wanted the choice to add gameplay and to illustrate how 'tough' Jill's path was, but didn't really think about how Jill's actions would appear from the non-game perspective. As I've said before, Jill should have asked the MC out first before Sage asked for help (assuming you're on both paths). That makes the in-character decision more balanced, and provides a much better explanation for why Jill would take the MC's rejection (after he'd already committed) as a sign to move on from him.
I wouldn't say the non-fuck buddy path feels forced, but it sure as hell feels rushed. On the plus side, it avoids the terrible 'rebound guy' discussion early in Episode 7. But on the negative side, it's basically identical to the fuck buddy route the instant they kiss at the party. Maybe we'll see some variations in Season 3, but I'm not holding my breath.
I love the idea of giving MCs a chance at Sage without insisting she cheat on her boyfriend, but I don't think it was well executed. It needed more unique content both to make up for missing romantic moments (most obviously the guitar lesson in Episode 5), and to make this path feel distinct from the fuck buddy path. Treating them interchangeably cheapens both paths, IMHO.
