SomboSteel

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SomboSteel I like you, but that wasn't objective because you based it on your subjective view of why there are players who don't like Maya.

Objectively, it's simply that there are players who recognize Maya's problem as a problem and not a drama. A problem is there to be solved. So you think about the solution to a problem, but not the problem itself, because then it becomes a drama and you only see the problem itself, but no solution.


A true story:
My first great love had a stepfather who was just like Patrick, except for the religion thing. Many men were put off by her stepfather because he was a problem (cockblock). She herself was a virgin and like Maya, not really familiar with boys either. Yes, she had boys as boyfriends too, but not anymore. The stepfather made sure of that. I was not deterred and it took 6 months for her stepfather to trust me. I also didn't have sex with my first great love until after those 6 months (before her I had several girlfriends and had sex with you too). But those 6 months of waiting were more than worth it. M. G. (My first great love) was like Maya in the beginning and became a Josy. All it took was a look, a touch or a word and we fell over each other and fucked like rabbits. All this would never have happened if I had also been deterred by her stepfather.



There are players who want it easy and there are players who also accept difficulties in order to achieve their goal. That is objective. :D(y)

But there's also a subjective side to the coin. Some people like Maya, others don't. :D(y)
while you are right and nothing is ever purely objective, i was trying my best to give a balanced and reasonable viewpoint of where the Maya dislike actually comes from. instead of just "LUL Maya sux", i was trying to be as fair as possible in my assessment.

i do believe most players that are critically thinking about the narrative believe that she is the weakest link in the chain of the early story. i also believe that most players who acknowledge that would also believe her fairly surmountable problems are too dramatized and too forced in your face as MC. and finally i believe that the execution of the infamous library throuple breakup whatever you wanna call it scene isnt a strong point for these same players. its these things combined that make up the legitimate criticisms of Maya, IMO. and i dont mean the trolls who just think she is dumb or sucks for no reason, im trying to explain where what i believe the valid dislike of her as a character comes from.

that said there is nothing wrong with you overlooking those reasons and still liking her. thats cool :) but for those genuinely wondering why she is lamented at times, i wanted to give the closest thing to an objective answer that i could (y)
 

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Second: guys, at some point in life you will eventually realize that, to not find atractive a girl is no reason to hate her. For most people that happens beetween 7 and 12 years of age. Others may need a little more time.

I repeated: You are not the center of the universe!
Addressing 2nd point: I don't dislike somebody because I don't find them attractive. I do, however, find it very easy to dislike them when they're unattractive and are kinda shitty people. (Hello, Jill! You boundary-ignoring goblin!) ;)

As to the last point, however, according to modern science - yes, I am. And so are you. Current limitations of our tech make each of us the centermost point of the observable universe. Wherever each of us is as individuals, that is our center.
Wich video? after the whole josy and maya ordeal i felt sooo bummed that i walked away saying, i will keep this a secret to Jade.
The video is a non-issue. Bang away, just don't tell Derek. If you don't tell him, nobody else ever knows about it except you and Jade, and Burke doesn't get a copy. He's clearly got somebody able to feed him data from the DIK's laptop.
 

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Well i didn't think about Tybalt, but you are right that story is getting pretty fucked up with that shitty last moment surprise!!

If you never did anything with Jade , you are pretty safe for now, your mother in law will love you, maybe more that Sage would like!!

And about that surprise i didn't like it at all, it was total crap in my opinion. I thaught it was a bad brasilian soap like my wife sometimes watch.
It was really far fetched, we know Sage for a long time, Jade too, Burke and Tybalt also and nothing ever was said about it ???!!!. That's really some cheap and badly done surprise. I almost felt DPC middle finger teasing my butthole!
But anyway it's done, as i did not intended to choose Sage after having lived Jill first time and Bella's sexplosion, i think i will not have much to do with that family again.
Now i have a much bigger problem, Jill or Bella ?, my god i can't choose, if i could have a threesome life with Jill and Bella i would gladly be their doggy, have a collar and a leash and live in a dog house near the pool!
I really don't get the shocked response to Sage being a Burke.

People were speculating about that back in January last year...


...and even earlier the year before.


So it definitely didn't come out of nowhere.

It's clear that DPC was dropping very subtle hints to support it. All of his "plot twists" have had some foreshadowing, but often it's only obvious in hind sight. Those are the best kinds of clues.

As far as the mc not knowing, I'm pretty sure it's not some secret, it's just nobody told him.

In my primary school one of my teachers was my friend's mom. I knew it was his mom because I hung out at his house from time-to-time, but his mom told him not to call her "mom" at school, and I remember laughing my ass off when much later into the year when one of my other friends didn't believe me when I said our teacher was his mom. He just didn't know, because you don't run around discussing who your parents are all the time. There were other kids whose surnames were the same as other teachers, no one automatically assumed they were related.

The only thing you have to accept is that either:
  1. The mc didn't know Sage's surname.
  2. The mc knew Sage's surname but understood that everyone with the same surname in this world isn't necessarily related.

your mommy told me that too :cool:
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while you are right and nothing is ever purely objective, i was trying my best to give a balanced and reasonable viewpoint of where the Maya dislike actually comes from. instead of just "LUL Maya sux", i was trying to be as fair as possible in my assessment.

i do believe most players that are critically thinking about the narrative believe that she is the weakest link in the chain of the early story. i also believe that most players who acknowledge that would also believe her fairly surmountable problems are too dramatized and too forced in your face as MC. and finally i believe that the execution of the infamous library throuple breakup whatever you wanna call it scene isnt a strong point for these same players. its these things combined that make up the legitimate criticisms of Maya, IMO. and i dont mean the trolls who just think she is dumb or sucks for no reason, im trying to explain where what i believe the valid dislike of her as a character comes from.

that said there is nothing wrong with you overlooking those reasons and still liking her. thats cool :) but for those genuinely wondering why she is lamented at times, i wanted to give the closest thing to an objective answer that i could (y)
So you don't like her because she's ugly and you're a crybaby :unsure:
 
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SomboSteel, i was kidding bruh. Was making fun of the winner mentality that dictates any and all criticism to some fictional stuff must be met with dumb assumptions on real people.

Uncool of me to explain the joke but i can't stand the thought of passing as a fanboy, not even to just one rando in a porn forum :LUL:
 
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Addressing 2nd point: I don't dislike somebody because I don't find them attractive. I do, however, find it very easy to dislike them when they're unattractive and are kinda shitty people. (Hello, Jill! You boundary-ignoring goblin!) ;)

As to the last point, however, according to modern science - yes, I am. And so are you. Current limitations of our tech make each of us the centermost point of the observable universe. Wherever each of us is as individuals, that is our center.
I guess you are just joking or you want to fight a lost cause, to be the devil's lawyer. But it's hard to tell on this times. Besides I am looking for excuses to not work, so I will take you as if you were being serious.

"find it very easy to dislike them when they're unattractive and are kinda shitty people"
Well, that's a biass.
If you say: "dislike then when they are kinda shitty people", it's ok, you dislike them couse they are shitty.
Instead, if you say what you sayd above, the sentence implies that the fact that you find them unattractive has some influence in your opinion
I don't know the proper terminology in english but... A biass is not reason enough to get a consequence but it will influence the outcome.

And it shouldn't. To morally judge someone for their apareance is the definition of superficiality. The only thing that redeems you is that this is a porn site, so you are expected to judge woman for their apeareance, to be superficial. But to make your (personal and subjective) taste a moral condemnation it's a deep mistake known as: you are thinking with the wrong head.

Jill it's beautifull and she is an angel.

And no, you are not the center of the universe. First, I sayd that in a metaphorical way, were universe means "social universe" like in: "Form in the line dude, there are plenty of people here". And you got that the first time.
Second: You change the term "universe" by "observable universe". I am not arguing about point of views, couse regardless of our point of view we have the means to see the universe and the small, insignificant and unimportant place we ocupy in it.
 

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why does the MC look like a little bitch? :unsure:
Yeah, the MC's model is sized inconsistently in relation to other characters. In his Swyper chats he tells Caitlyn or whatever her name is that he's over 6 feet tall. If Zoey is the same height she'd be an Amazon woman, well above the average for an American woman. I can imagine Sage might be very tall, so maybe 5'9" or even 5'10", but even then the MC should be at least two or three inches taller than she is. And Josy is supposed to be short, so presumably shorter than the US average of 5'4". Perhaps she's only 5 feet tall. If that's the case, Tremolo would be substantially taller.

Especially as the MC quickly becomes this Adonis-like figure who every girl at B&R wants to fuck, he would almost certainly be taller than average. The average American man is 5'9", so if he's over 6 feet tall, that makes sense. Unfortunately, he rarely looks that tall in the game, where we see him the same height as most of the women characters and substantially smaller than the jocks.
 

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Here's comes my Dalli brainwave for today:
MC seems to wear black outfits as his 'nice clothes going out' attire. He has ditched his jacket on most of his official dates, so I'm guessing this will be more of the same. Knowing DPC, Zoya is probably interrupting one of those dates. MC going to specified location to meet your selected girl(s) from ep. 8 and of course DPC makes this one show up for the purposes of drama to ruin it. This narrative intention has been apparent to me for a while. It is a classic DPC troupe at this point to steer you in a direction so he can insert drama and ruin your fun. Won't work for me, because I will happily tell this creature to hop back on that board and skate on. If you inexplicably like this creature then you will be given the opportunity to ditch your selected girl, or cheat (which of course you will be punished for later). You won't be able to have your pinkcake and eat it too, however. Choosing Zoya will destroy what you have worked on for 8 episodes. I don't believe the hype about Zoya joining some kind of throuple. We are lucky enough to get M&J. Don't expect any more mini harems from this dev.
I'll go along with Zoey interrupting the MC's date with [chosen_girl], but I suspect the encounter will end with the MC shocked by the revelation that she totes never had a new boyfriend and is painfully available. That way the MC can pass up on a lewd scene early in the episode, get in some good sulking time, and then go hog wild at the Halloween party. The choice between [chosen_girl] and Zoey won't come until at least Episode 11, more likely Ep 12.


Unfortunately, I do not have time to follow all the information in the discussions. Can someone briefly explain why so many people hate Zoey? I don't see anything about her that makes me feel so negative.
No, there is too much. Let me sum up:

Zoey is making a big, splashy entrance right after DPC railroaded us into choosing our favorite waifu and dropping the rest (or accepting we don't want a proper relationship). So instead of getting to enjoy the fruits of our choice for a while, we seem headed for more 'brooding MC drama.'

Unfortunately, using Zoey as a romantic foil is likely to fall extremely flat because there's little reason the MC should care that much about her (the Interlude showed their relationship was extremely shallow in comparison to the LIs and several of the side girls). On top of that, most players will see her as nothing but an artificial obstacle to stall their preferred path. Only players who really like Zoey are likely to enjoy her prioritization, but statistically you'd expect them to be a minority compared to those who really like one of the 5 LIs (or Quinn, or any of the numerous other side girls). For everyone else, Zoey presented as a watered down repeat of the decision DPC just forced us to make at the crossroads.

Basically, Zoey's timing sucks, and IMHO the Interlude only makes it worse.
 
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By the way. I finded real life Bella:

Parents "Protest" Nj Teacher... Say her big butt its distracting students!



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It's funny how we all have our preferences when it comes to characters in these games (blue hair / ginger hair being the currently debated topic :p), however if we ever saw anyone looking identical to the game's girls in real life, like identical, they would look like a fucking freak.

Point in case, that fucking freak of an art teacher and her embarrassingly augmented body. I look at someone who's done that to their body and I think they are a fucking idiot.

A really fat ass (where the current pop culture is going) signifies a lazy cunt of a woman. How did looking like a lazy cunt of a woman become so popular?

When she takes a shit, half her arm would disappear when she tries to wipe her asshole. Maybe she uses a bidet... :unsure:... Anyway, what are you gonna do with all that ass?

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It's funny how we all have our preferences when it comes to characters in these games (blue hair / ginger hair being the currently debated topic :p), however if we ever saw anyone looking identical to the game's girls in real life, like identical, they would look like a fucking freak.

Point in case, that fucking freak of an art teacher and her embarrassingly augmented body. I look at someone who's done that to their body and I think they are a fucking idiot.

A really fat ass (where the current pop culture is going) signifies a lazy cunt of a woman. How did looking like a lazy cunt of a woman become so popular?

When she takes a shit, half her arm would disappear when she tries to wipe her asshole. Maybe she uses a bidet... :unsure:... Anyway, what are you gonna do with all that ass?

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yeah its sad that people get like brainwashed into thinking looking like that is attractive/desirable. she looks like a weird inflatable person and sex with her would likely be awkward/unpleasant or maybe even sadly comical

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I guess you are just joking or you want to fight a lost cause, to be the devil's lawyer. But it's hard to tell on this times. Besides I am looking for excuses to not work, so I will take you as if you were being serious.

"find it very easy to dislike them when they're unattractive and are kinda shitty people"
Well, that's a biass.
If you say: "dislike then when they are kinda shitty people", it's ok, you dislike them couse they are shitty.
Instead, if you say what you sayd above, the sentence implies that the fact that you find them unattractive has some influence in your opinion
I don't know the proper terminology in english but... A biass is not reason enough to get a consequence but it will influence the outcome.
We all have our biases. Anybody who claims they don't is full of shit, and many of them are equally as superficial. I've met people who won't date somebody because they're left-handed. When asked why, they couldn't even explain it beyond simply "I don't like those people."

Whether or not we find someone pleasing to look at is absolutely a bias, but that doesn't mean it's an unfair one, either. Jill looks like a goblin. I'm not saying you can't enjoy looking at her, but I don't. I wouldn't like to look at Bella, either, if she had the teeth of a meth user. It's still equally superficial, but I think most folks would agree.

I might still talk to them, but they would glean no favors from me. As fun as Sage can be, I find her stalking of Chad to be rather cringe-worthy. It shows, to me, a very unhealthy obsession with someone that is clearly just Not That Interested in Her, and if she had simply listened to her mother, she might know why. It's like the whole cheating issue. If somebody will cheat with you, they will also cheat with others while claiming they are with you alone.

Heather, in general, is a bitch. She treats MC like shit right from the start, as if she's better than him merely because of who she's fucking at the time. The first time she deigns to actually speak to MC it's if she thinks she can get something from him. It doesn't matter if people find her attractive or not, she's a cunt.

Now, because I personally also do not find her attractive (big mouth, big nose, etc) I'm perfectly content to just simply not like her and move on - whereas if I had found her attractive, I'd still not like her, but I might be up for a good ol' hate fucking. I'll probably explore that option if it comes up on the DIK path in-game, but I'm not really that interested in it. Frankly, Becky is in much the same boat. She's a cunt, too. So is Dany, as cute as I found her to be initially, once she started chewing MC's ass for Jamie getting sucker-punched, she got on my shitlist. Then I saw the kind of inane bullshit she was spouting and seemed to really believe, and I wrote her off completely. Don't stick your dick in it, people like that should not breed.

I find Wendy physically unappealing, but I'd tag-team her with Derek before I went near Dany, because she's at least spoken to the MC (once or twice) with politeness, even if most of the in-class stuff is just an excuse for the insane women to rant at any available male target.

There are many factors to tally up what makes a person likeable or not. Physicality is, for most people, one of those factors. It's not the only factor, but if you're considering if you want someone in your life or not, it's a larger one.
 
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