VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[DarkKiller]

Yes, yes, Jill is meant to be miss goody two shoes. Next you're all gonna be saying it's bad game design that she completely spat it when she caught Bella and the mc fucking. Nah, fuck that. DPC's written her to have emotions just like any other chick.

Nah, does this thread even get many people sharing that opinion?
At least I don't remember anyone complaining about that and it would make no sense complaining about it.

I mean, even if we don't pursue Jill, she sees her best friend fucking her own student after Bella herself incentivized her to date MC, that alone completely justifies her reaction in my opinion, add to that, that Jill also knows (at least partially) about Bella's past and you potentially get a shitshow of such a magnitude that makes me more and more impatient for EP9 each time I think about this

 

[dalli_x]

Nah, does this thread even get many people sharing that opinion?
At least I don't remember anyone complaining about that and it would make no sense complaining about it.

I mean, even if we don't pursue Jill, she sees her best friend fucking her own student after Bella herself incentivized her to date MC, that alone completely justifies her reaction in my opinion, add to that, that Jill also knows (at least partially) about Bella's past and you potentially get a shitshow of such a magnitude that makes me more and more impatient for EP9 each time I think about this

Here's another thought. Jill has already arranged a meeting with Stephen Burke through Cathy. Now she's seen a student banging a teacher Stephen is also interested in. To make matters worse, the MC can stick the cheat sheet behind the cistern during midterms.

Oh dear. Will Jill get her revenge, perhaps?

 

[DarkKiller]

Here's another thought. Jill has already arranged a meeting with Stephen Burke through Cathy. Now she's seen a student banging a teacher Stephen is also interested in. To make matters worse, the MC can stick the cheat sheet behind the cistern during midterms.

Oh dear. Will Jill get her revenge, perhaps?

I wouldn't hate a twist like that tbh but I don't think it'll happen.
Jill might be a bit naive but she's obviously aware of how much she'd affect Bella and MC's lives if she ratted them out. Worst case scenario she basically avoids them both for the rest of the game if we choose Bella.
But considering Jill's apparent importance for the MC's family plot and how much Bella cares for Jill, what I think will happen is that this event will cause a rift between Jill Bella and MC will have to work to mend their friendship. One of the many bumps of the bumpy road Bella talked about.

 

[sixart]

Fuck! You're like the only other dude here who gets it (maybe @sixart, but he's meming so hard these days I don't always follow his gist )

Whatever people say I'll deny everything !!!

None of that says she must act a certain way otherwise it's bad game design.

And this is where people go train wreck... It's actually pretty simple but most here take this like she is designed like a tin can and DPC didn't considered real human emotions ( especially women ) while creating a ( THE ) character...

I don't care how Chickish, DIKish, Thiccish a girl is, if she makes an effort on your behalf, and you turn her down, she's not gonna be over the mooooon (sorry, had to take a dig at kid Jill) about it.

Yup... real life once again...

At that point, when she said that, the only thing that could have made her feel that way was the mc turning down her picnic. Jill made this lovely picnic plan, the mc turns her down to see a sick friend (she wasn't fucking dying for crying out loud, he just went there to whack some wieners on her head...), and the next day the mc's crying about how he wants to see her. Well ya shoulda come to the picnic ya dumb cunt!

This pictures pretty good how most people here think this is bad writing and shows to the minority here how delusional they are about real human emotions ( especially women ) It's like a math problem like 2x2 but for some reason people fail it coz..... DAMN !!! I wanna fuck everything that moves ( or keep my options open ) and it's just a game ! Meanwhile failing at the basics... if you are interested in someone and you want the counterpart to be interested in you then you might wanna show her your interest and not dropping frozen wieners onto someone on their " deathbed " while that someone is a SHE who can be considered as another interested party ( which she was is and will be ) and expect from the girl who actually did something for you to shrug it off and go with the flow... I wrote this a couple of times... I dare these folks to try to pull this shit in a somewhat similar situation... let's see where it ends !

If any of you motherfuckers were in a situation where a girl totally didn't harbour some shit like that, I hope you married the bitch!

Since you mentioned it...


And finally... but I also hinted it ^

If you can't read a girl's mind, life isn't gonna be easy.

Very true ! And I wouldn't hold my breath for improving... if they did not learned it by this time they probably never will how to

OT : Cats beat the shit out of the Demons !!!

 

[Bendover885]

Fuck! You're like the only other dude here who gets it (maybe sixart, but he's meming so hard these days I don't always follow his gist )

There's more than one variable at play here. Porn game logic (choose the bitch you wanna fuck), real life logic (maybe she'll understand... wtf, I said real life logic... ) and then Chick/DIK logic (Jill digs chicky guys). None of that says she must act a certain way otherwise it's bad game design.

DPC has tried to create these characters not to be a bunch of robots. Jill isn't a machine that only accepts Chick tokens. She obviously doesn't want a DIK cunt guy, but at the same time, she's a girl, she still wants her guy to pay attention to her.

I don't care how Chickish, DIKish, Thiccish a girl is, if she makes an effort on your behalf, and you turn her down, she's not gonna be over the mooooon (sorry, had to take a dig at kid Jill) about it.

If it's it's an established relationship you're gonna have to deal with some pouting and typical annoying shit down the track, but if it's early days it could be taken as an indication of lack of interest.

And lo and behold, Jill felt it that way:

mc: "That's way too long for something this stupid. I want to see you."​

Jill: "(Then why haven't you shown that more?)"​

At that point, when she said that, the only thing that could have made her feel that way was the mc turning down her picnic. Jill made this lovely picnic plan, the mc turns her down to see a sick friend (she wasn't fucking dying for crying out loud, he just went there to whack some wieners on her head...), and the next day the mc's crying about how he wants to see her. Well ya shoulda come to the picnic ya dumb cunt!

For fuck sake, girls act that way all the time. If any of you motherfuckers were in a situation where a girl totally didn't harbour some shit like that, I hope you married the bitch!

Yes, yes, Jill is meant to be miss goody two shoes. Next you're all gonna be saying it's bad game design that she completely spat it when she caught Bella and the mc fucking. Nah, fuck that. DPC's written her to have emotions just like any other chick.

My post from one and a half years ago still stands today. If you can't read a girl's mind, life isn't gonna be easy.




I fucking laughed out loud at that one!

Also, the Sage/Jill dilemma is also one-sided in that even if you don't go tend to Sage (even as a friend and nothing more), you still have the option to still pursue her during the HOTs party in ep7. With Jill the pivotal make-or-break moment is the picnic, not that it's then and there she determines the relationship is doomed but sets it in motion.

Both sides of the dilemma reflect the unique dispositions of the ladies. Glad on some level DPC differentiated that far, but I would have done something different, as I have stated before in other circumstances.

 

[efix9927]

Can i get some help please? I have played with season 1-2 but i had to reinstall my pc so i dont have saved files. I downloaded the game right now but i cant play because there are only import and continue options. Can somebody help me? Im lost

 

[DrSoong]

Can i get some help please? I have played with season 1-2 but i had to reinstall my pc so i dont have saved files. I downloaded the game right now but i cant play because there are only import and continue options. Can somebody help me? Im lost

Seems you downloaded only the Interlude, you have to download the first 2 Seasons (you find them in the Spoiler unter Season 1-2)

 

[efix9927]

Seems you downloaded only the Interlude, you have to download the first 2 Seasons (you find them in the Spoiler unter Season 1-2)
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Oh i see, thank you very much !

 

[Darkwen]

A new theory inspired by felicemastronzo.

Do you see the peace sign of Josy? Maybe that's supposed to mean that after the MC's decision, the LIs will befriend each other and the LI fight over the MC will end.

US = united sister (Derek also calls the MC brother even though they are just friends).

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Josy is the voice of reason so it makes since and MC is still friends with the LI's so why can't the LI's be friends once the rejected ones get over the fact she took their guy. But whats really going on is Josy is saying you can only fuck two of us the other 3 have a lesbian 3some

 

[dalli_x]

Josy is the voice of reason so it makes since and MC is still friends with the LI's so why can't the LI's be friends once the rejected ones get over the fact she took their guy. But whats really going on is Josy is saying you can only fuck two of us the other 3 have a lesbian 3some

It's fine with me, and the Throuple rides off into the sunset. Moments, that is called Orange Sky.

 

[QuixoteTheDon]

Fuck! You're like the only other dude here who gets it (maybe sixart, but he's meming so hard these days I don't always follow his gist )

There's more than one variable at play here. Porn game logic (choose the bitch you wanna fuck), real life logic (maybe she'll understand... wtf, I said real life logic... ) and then Chick/DIK logic (Jill digs chicky guys). None of that says she must act a certain way otherwise it's bad game design.

DPC has tried to create these characters not to be a bunch of robots. Jill isn't a machine that only accepts Chick tokens. She obviously doesn't want a DIK cunt guy, but at the same time, she's a girl, she still wants her guy to pay attention to her.

I don't care how Chickish, DIKish, Thiccish a girl is, if she makes an effort on your behalf, and you turn her down, she's not gonna be over the mooooon (sorry, had to take a dig at kid Jill) about it.

If it's it's an established relationship you're gonna have to deal with some pouting and typical annoying shit down the track, but if it's early days it could be taken as an indication of lack of interest.

And lo and behold, Jill felt it that way:

mc: "That's way too long for something this stupid. I want to see you."​

Jill: "(Then why haven't you shown that more?)"​

At that point, when she said that, the only thing that could have made her feel that way was the mc turning down her picnic. Jill made this lovely picnic plan, the mc turns her down to see a sick friend (she wasn't fucking dying for crying out loud, he just went there to whack some wieners on her head...), and the next day the mc's crying about how he wants to see her. Well ya shoulda come to the picnic ya dumb cunt!

For fuck sake, girls act that way all the time. If any of you motherfuckers were in a situation where a girl totally didn't harbour some shit like that, I hope you married the bitch!

Yes, yes, Jill is meant to be miss goody two shoes. Next you're all gonna be saying it's bad game design that she completely spat it when she caught Bella and the mc fucking. Nah, fuck that. DPC's written her to have emotions just like any other chick.

My post from one and a half years ago still stands today. If you can't read a girl's mind, life isn't gonna be easy.




I fucking laughed out loud at that one!

I just dont get it how you dont get it??? And you are smart dude! And gosh darnit, I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I truly do. I actually love the way you break the game's characters, their motivations and shit in your long worded posts. But ... the simple truth is this: DPC designed the game in a way where you can actually play like a DIK and still get Jill. Without mods or cheating you can balance the game to have a solid amount of sex with other girls, you can beat the shit out of other people, humiliate them even, hell you can even choose to NOT help Jill during one the most important moments in her life (Concert). And Jill ignores all that and accepts you as a boyfriend, has sex with you. All you had to do was be a major DIK to a sick friend and little Jillybean is happy. It feels out of character.

That picnic variable has to much power. On the other hand you can devote your entire playthrough to her, max the chick stats, be her knight in shining armor during the concert, but god forbid you choose to take care of your sick friend, then Jillybean moans that you were not there for her more often. It just bad game design for that particular choice. Period.

I mean you can stan some more for DPC instead admitting that he is just a human being like the rest of us capable of making mistakes. Burning mistakes actually.

Unless... you are DPC!


Or Jill AI herself that somehow became conscious and is now spending her time on porn forum where it all began.


Anyway, hope you see what Kellerman and I tried to communicate. Peace.

 

[felicemastronzo]

It really is the most fun... Nobody really understands women, even with telepathy!!!! Yet DPC has perfectly recreated their behaviour in an AVN... it sounds absurd and yet it is so. How lucky we are

 

[magaclaawe]

In Season 3 now that MC has a girlfriend it would be a great time to add NTR.

 

[Deleted member 3788572]

Kinda funny to see how riled up people get about Jill and the picnic issue, when it's actually such a cheap trap by DPC. Like fuck off Sage with your mild flu, just have Quinn throw wieners in your face if you think she's such a great VP.

 

[Bendover885]

Now in Season 3 now that MC has a girlfriend it would be a great time to add NTR.

I imagine there will be opportunities for the MC to be unfaithful to their LI, which will probably end badly for most paths. You could speculate how much that would destroy each path, but it makes some sense given the Vixens of ep9.

 

[Kellermann]

I feel used...

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.

I just dont get it how you dont get it??? And you are smart dude! And gosh darnit, I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I truly do. I actually love the way you break the game's characters, their motivations and shit in your long worded posts. But ... the simple truth is this: DPC designed the game in a way where you can actually play like a DIK and still get Jill. Without mods or cheating you can balance the game to have a solid amount of sex with other girls, you can beat the shit out of other people, humiliate them even, hell you can even choose to NOT help Jill during one the most important moments in her life (Concert). And Jill ignores all that and accepts you as a boyfriend, has sex with you. All you had to do was be a major DIK to a sick friend and little Jillybean is happy. It feels out of character.

That picnic variable has to much power. On the other hand you can devote your entire playthrough to her, max the chick stats, be her knight in shining armor during the concert, but god forbid you choose to take care of your sick friend, then Jillybean moans that you were not there for her more often. It just bad game design for that particular choice. Period.

I mean you can stan some more for DPC instead admitting that he is just a human being like the rest of us capable of making mistakes. Burning mistakes actually.

Unless... you are DPC!
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Or Jill AI herself that somehow became conscious and is now spending her time on porn forum where it all began.
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Anyway, hope you see what Kellerman and I tried to communicate. Peace.

I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

 

[Bendover885]

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.



I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

I agree. The concert was more of a 'Hallmark movie' moment for Jill. The picnic, while trying to have a The Notebook feel, could have been done in a less sentimental way.

 

[ChipLecsap]

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.



I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

 

[Kellermann]

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

I know the concert doesn't matter in code, that is exactly what I have been talking about.
And what does practicing the song have to do with telling her I can't go to the horse field at that exact moment because already committed to helping a sick friend? How often do you show up at someone's doorstep and ask them to immediately go somewhere and then cut friendship or romantic ties because they tell you that that already made plans for that day...to do something helpful btw.

 

[gamer8000]

Now in Season 3 now that MC has a girlfriend it would be a great time to add NTR.

NTR never a great idea