VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Chillout1984]

You know what I wonder. What about a path where Jill rejects you. By then Bianca knows you etc. mnnn makes me think

You mean when you reject Jill. Once you're invited to the dinner (first time you meet her when on Jill's path), Jill won't reject you anymore.

 

[Newark95]

I have, so far, found no path where the mc cannot decide accept or reject zoey. Not sage, not j&m, not others, not bella.

Its based on your previous choice, search the thread someone posted the details somewhere, basically your choices towards Zoey in general decides your attitude if you auto reject her or no, also if you said to Josy or Maya that you loved one of them, you autoreject her.

Maybe you already discussed it and I missed it in the 1312th pages of the last days. Maybe not. Anyway, DPC fucked the Bianca path.

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It should be "True" not "False". "False" is default and there's no other occasion in the game with the ep11_bianca_path variable. I'm pretty sure he wanted to start the path here. Well, this ship has sailed unless DPC makes another fix patch.

I assumed the exact same thing as you otherwise it would makes no sense. So i kept 2 saves from just before this choice on a Jill cheat route and BellaCheatRoute and waiting for a patch before continuing them, sure i could just change the variable later on myself but i like to have my saves without any manual changes.

 

[Lagunavii]

I have, so far, found no path where the mc cannot decide accept or reject zoey. Not sage, not j&m, not others, not bella.

There's lots of places you can begin to tank. Yourself when it comes to zoey... Telling her your mad in chapter 9 is a biggie

 

[ffive]

Just because she feels remorse now doesn't mean she won't do it in the future. It might be that this puts actions in motion that she admits it to her boyfriend who in turn will either break up or admit he is cheating as well.

Yes, but what i meant is that DPC seemingly planed this subplot around controversy that's Bianca cheating specifically with boyfriend of her close friend, or at least a "close friend of a best friend" that is Isabela. MC who is cheating with Bianca on girls other than these, or MC who isn't in relationship himself, would be missing this aspect. Meaning DPC would either have to write two different variants of the sub-plot, one arguably more interesting than other, or just limit the possibility to that more interesting scenario. Which is overall more likely.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Yes, but what i meant is that DPC seemingly planed this subplot around controversy that's Bianca cheating specifically with boyfriend of her close friend, or at least a "close friend of a best friend" that is Isabela. MC who is cheating with Bianca on girls other than these, or MC who isn't in relationship himself, would be missing this aspect. Meaning DPC would either have to write two different variants of the sub-plot, one arguably more interesting than other, or just limit the possibility to that more interesting scenario. Which is overall more likely.

You don't think that there will ever be an Others Bianca route? Will Cheating/Trap be her only options?
The ski trip conversations read to me pretty much hintining to a threeway of sorts with Jill.

 

[osculim]

You mean when you reject Jill. Once you're invited to the dinner (first time you meet her when on Jill's path, Jill won't reject you anymore.

If you are a dik after that if you pick her as MG she will reject you. And in episode9 Bianca makes a comment about how she cannot understand how jill can reject you and that she will be all over you. That gives me the thought that maby you can get her that way. I will be trying that right now.

 

[Rehwyn]

From my playthroughs on the J/M Route, in order to get Josy "date" in Ep11, you have to fail to steal the contract.
So I have 6 total saves for this route:
Josy focused - dont steal contract/hang out with on Ep11/Tell her I love her
Same as above but dont tell her I love her
Maya focused - steal contract/hang out with on Ep11/ Tell her I love her
Same as above but dont tell her I love her
Equal focused on both - stole contract - forced to hang out with Maya in Ep11 - no love
Equal focused on both - didnt steal contract - forced to hang out with Josy in Ep11 - no love.

I doubt all those will matter but DPC is splitting the main routes more and more.
We all figured messing with Jade will screw Sage route.
Bella Route has some minor changes in EP11 based on if Jill caught you both, and that MC and Jill kissed when he confessed/broke up with her so I have multiple saves on this route as well.

Others route is split all over the place, Lily rolling, dating Nicole, getting BJ from Heather locking you out of things. Its getting real messy.

It's not mandatory to fail to steal the contract. I got it and still went out with Josy.

I get the loan papers and still have Josy handout and can tell I love her and she says it back

Stealing the contacts isn't actually checked directly at all. The actual calculation is essentially a series of checks regarding prior dates or lewds and relationship points.

First it checks if you've been spending more time with one compared to the other. Specifically, it checks these events/choices.

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For each of those listed, Maya or Josy get a "count" if you have that choice/event in your path. If you have a difference of 2 or more (4 vs 2 for example), the LI with a higher count is the one picked. If you are within 1 or 0 event count for each (for example 4 Maya events and 3 Josy events, or if both are even), it falls back on checking Love status next.

For Maya "love", you need > 41 Maya relationship points and for Josy "love" you need > 36 Josy relationship points.

If you have "love" for only one of them, that's the one you go out with in Ep 11. If you have "love" for both or neither, it does a final check of who has proportionately more relationship points out of the max (Maya RP / 74 vs Josy RP / 67). Whichever ratio is greater is who is picked, and it's impossible for it to be evenly split since it goes out to decimal places.

As for saying "I love you" and getting it back, in order for MC to say it, you need 3 or fewer "cheater points". For Maya or Josy to say it back, they need to have "love" status (as explained above).

Lastly, regarding spooning on the couch at Bella's party, if you say "I love you" and Maya/Josy say it back, you don't get a choice of who to sleep with on the sofa; the game forces MC to cuddle with the one you said ILY. Otherwise, you can pick who to spoon.

Edit: I did forget to mention that while getting the contracts isn't directly checked, it can influence your outcome since there's a big relationship point swing (during the argument about it, you get +5 for the LI you agree with and -5 for the one you disagree with).

 

[ffive]

There's lots of places you can begin to tank. Yourself when it comes to zoey... Telling her your mad in chapter 9 is a biggie

Note that technically it's not a deal-breaker per se: you can have up to 13 points with Zoey, and that one is worth 3. So you can still get it even with couple minor mistakes.

What is guaranteed to ruin all chances is to be mad and then give Jacob green light, since that's minus 6 points total, and you drop below required 8 points minimum.

 

[Bobloblaw1234]

Yes, but what i meant is that DPC seemingly planed this subplot around controversy that's Bianca cheating specifically with boyfriend of her close friend, or at least a "close friend of a best friend" that is Isabela. MC who is cheating with Bianca on girls other than these, or MC who isn't in relationship himself, would be missing this aspect. Meaning DPC would either have to write two different variants of the sub-plot, one arguably more interesting than other, or just limit the possibility to that more interesting scenario. Which is overall more likely.

DPC and muddying the plot goes together like peanut butter and jelly.
But the more muddying he does, the more he ignores other routes.

Like WTF is up with that nicole route? I have a whole sub save for her since Ep9 and I talk to her once in Ep11.

 

[Lagunavii]

You know what I wonder. What about a path where Jill rejects you. By then Bianca knows you etc. mnnn makes me think

There's already a Jill rejects you path, it's back at episode 8 if you're a perm dik

 

[noahsombrero]

There's lots of places you can begin to tank. Yourself when it comes to zoey... Telling her your mad in chapter 9 is a biggie

Yes, I'm sure that if you have been giving her bad answers, you won't get the choice. My point was that, regardless of your path, if you have been treating her right, you get the choice.

 

[ffive]

You don't think that there will ever be an Others Bianca route? Will Cheating/Trap be her only options?
The ski trip conversations read to me pretty much hintining to a threeway of sorts with Jill.

I'm not excluding the possibility completely but yeah, i don't think the chances for Bianca on Others route is very high. The thing is, the cabin trip does lot of heavy lifting in establishing rapport between Fuckface and Bianca, and that'd be missing on other routes.

The threesome thing though, i could see it as a possibility, given Jill and Bianca's past antics. That is presuming Isabela doesn't garden shears MC's balls first for cheating on Jill.

 

[Chillout1984]

Yes, but what i meant is that DPC seemingly planed this subplot around controversy that's Bianca cheating specifically with boyfriend of her close friend, or at least a "close friend of a best friend" that is Isabela. MC who is cheating with Bianca on girls other than these, or MC who isn't in relationship himself, would be missing this aspect. Meaning DPC would either have to write two different variants of the sub-plot, one arguably more interesting than other, or just limit the possibility to that more interesting scenario. Which is overall more likely.

To me it seems that the trigger for her to be available to MC during Jill's path is that she's single because she was cheated on. There is imo not really a good reason why she would cheat during Bella's path, where she hasn't learned it (so far).

If you are a dik after that if you pick her as MG she will reject you. And in episode9 Bianca makes a comment about how she cannot understand how jill can reject you and that she will be all over you. That gives me the thought that maby you can get her that way. I will be trying that right now.

You can't be a DIK and be invited to the dinner. To get the invitation you need to be either neutral or chick, and even when neutral you don't get enough major DIK choices to go from neutral to DIK. Even if you're a DIK before the final choice (the midterms) and you choose DIK there, you will revert back to NEUTRAL for permanent affinity.

 

[Lagunavii]

Note that technically it's not a deal-breaker per se: you can have up to 13 points with Zoey, and that one is worth 3. So you can still get it even with couple minor mistakes.

Didn't say it was a deal-breaker, just that it was a biggie. Telling her your mad also opens the option to avoid her hangout in episode 9 as well. I don't know if you gcan get points there, but by saying you're mad you are starting that path at a disadvantage

 

[Lagunavii]

You mean when you reject Jill. Once you're invited to the dinner (first time you meet her when on Jill's path), Jill won't reject you anymore.

Is there not a time after this when she looks at the moon or am I confusing things...

 

[osculim]

There's already a Jill rejects you path, it's back at episode 8 if you're a perm dik

No you don't understand. You do a jill path you stick it through to the end no rejections at the end of episode 8 you choose your gf. If you are dik by then she will reject you at the place where she tells Tybalt to Foff. That is what I am talking about no rejection before that. See the thing is the Jill path can be neutral. So if you can get yourself right on the edge of neutral and then flip over to perma dik you will get what I explained. It is hard to do but possible.

 

[ffive]

To me it seems that the trigger for her to be available to MC during Jill's path is that she's single because she was cheated on. There is imo not really a good reason why she would cheat during Bella's path, where she hasn't learned it (so far).

No, you can get on Bianca's path even if she's still in her relationship. It just means both her and Fuckface are cheating on their partners, instead of just MC, and you get slightly different text variants.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Rio going destroy Quinn

She'll forgive her, you'll see.

 

[PR Mitter]

Lets take a project from the same Dev, Acting Lessons had a good story, a nice twist and a fast pace in updates.
The game was first posted here May 2 2018 and the final update August 12 2019, in my book, that's fast.

Now Badick, first posted here February 7 2019 and last updated here Marsh 9 2025. 6 years in the making and we can't see an end in sight, the updates are really long, almost a year for so few content and like a said, that hybride thing where you have a VN and sandbox in the game is not doing it for me.

So you want thought in my criticism, here it goes.

1- 6 year in the making is too long for a VN even a game, two maybe three year is a good lenght of time so that the player doesn't lose interest in the game and even the Dev himself.
ILS production is doing nice VNs in a span of 2 to 3 year to a complete VN and update are pratically on a monthly basis with a lot of content in it, THAT what i call fast pace. i'm not asking that for all games and VN, but between montly updates and yearly updates there's a lot of time to choses a nice pace in between updates.

2- In my point of view, updates should't go further then 6 months, because you almost have to restart the game to remember what you did before or at least start the new update a couple of saves before the last one just to dive back into the game.

3- When you develop a game or a VN, your main story should be your first priority and the side quest, your second priority. So yes, you can put side quest in a game or VN, but not to the detriment of your main story like BaDik does where most of the game time are made in side quest and grinding in the sandbox part of the game.

4- And finally, this is only my own thought, liking and wants when i play a game or a VN, if i'm alone in thoses likings and wants, the dev won't change a thing and leave his project as is, but if a lot of players think like me, then the dev might take that in to consideration when doing his project and/or future projects, after all, if few people contribute to his project, he won't make money and do like a lot of dev do and abandon his project, but if a lot more people contribute to his project, he will make even more money, if i don't say a thing and a lot of people do the same, well the dev will lose supporters, like i did when i deleted the game. i hope, for DPK that not to many people does like me, because if i don't like BaDik, i loved Acting Lessons and i don't want DPK to stop doing game, i just want him to do more like he did with Acting Lessons.

Couldn't agree more. Respect to your outward criticism. The game thread here in F95 is full of cult type people. It takes courage to call out a fox, a fox. They would gang up on you.
Acting lessons would definitely comes at top 3 if anyone want to give examples of both production quality and pace. About update interval I disagree slightly. It shouldn't exceed 3 months no matter how solo a project is and if a dev is earning 10k+ then at least 30+ animation per month and updates in 2 months interval in not in every months. NLTMEDIA is probably the only one now with both speed and quality.
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Anyhow I am a free player. So, cannon complain too much. The options for this VN are clear to me. There are only 2 actually.
1. Wait 5 years and perhaps by that time I lose interest in adult VN.
2. Fap on the favorite characters one or two times then forget about it.

 

[NebulousShooter]

I'm not excluding the possibility completely but yeah, i don't think the chances for Bianca on Others route is very high. The thing is, the cabin trip does lot of heavy lifting in establishing rapport between Fuckface and Bianca, and that'd be missing on other routes.

The threesome thing though, i could see it as a possibility, given Jill and Bianca's past antics. That is presuming Isabela doesn't garden shears MC's balls first for cheating on Jill.

I edited my post with the link to a few screen shots, since I can't be assed to repost them.

On Others you do a lot with her, outside of 'Getting her number and her bowl challenge. I feel it will be like a waste if it leads nowhere, especially since on Quinn route you already seen her BF cheat and in the Halloween party put two and two together? She already finds the MC hot. Maybe its just copium, but it would be a bait and switch and hope it gets DPC send to jail if nothing comes of it.

Side note it would be hilarious if Others would be the only way to get a clean relationship with her.