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MiltonPowers

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I gotta ask why is her butthole so pink LOL
It's actually red raw. Someone's been spelunking. :)

TRUE (Also impressive of you to do Becky).
I did Becky on my first playthrough. I had such high hopes for a great sex scene after her outstanding BJ. I was very disappointed.

I immediately rolled back, took it out of my playthrough and put Becky in the never to be touched pile with a certain Madame.
 
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Well, there was that amazing run-cycle animation at the Thanksgiving party where she has a panic attack in the woods...
LOL... yeah there was that. I'd rather scenes with say... Zoey coming over and finding the MC hanging out in his bedroom with Josy and Maya (or who ever the LI is, I've only done one full serious play thru so far and that was the Josy/Maya path. I want to try Sage next because of what I've seen so far I really like her. Jill I... dunno yet, reserving opinion). Not a sexual scene, just... hanging out "oh hey Zoey... these are my GFs... this is Zoey we were best friends growing up." Zoey's reaction would have made for some good renders.

I can see it now... Josy being her bubbly friendly self happily greets Zoey and starts drawing her right in.
Maya joins in welcoming Zoey.
Zoey is feeling a mixture of repulsion and panic while looking for an exit but can't escape the charming gravitas that is Josy while Maya circles in for the group hug
Meanwhile the MC watchs and just smiles

I'm cracking up thinking about it. We were CHEATED! I want that scene now!

Short stories are the best form of experimenting on how to write. Never go into something big until you can figure it out in the smallest, most succinct way. Start with outlines, get your middle and ending, then fill in the blanks.
I appreciate the advice, its something I struggle with. I'm a natural born world builder, so its like that old Karl Sagan joke... to bake and apple pie from scratch, first you must create a universe. That's exactly what I do. I start by building my world, and then work from there. So I know where everything is and why it is. I can give you reams of history and back story. I know why the price of plums is what it is and why that's relevant to the the characters grandmothers favorite song. I over build. I do the same with characters, I write out whole back stories, sometimes I even give them made up stats, skill lists, etc like an RPG just to help me better visualize them.

So, that point where Josy doesn't know what skills she has? Oh no hun, here's your backstory, I have your skill list right here rated by how good you are at each... LOL I'm that bad. Go ahead an laugh, I am.

But the downside is I generate so much material and so many ideas its hard for me to prune it down, as you said, to its most succinct form. I REALLY gotta work on that more.

And now it looks like Josy/Zoey will become a second Zoey/Josy...
I am very sad at how right you probably are. I would happily give Zoey all ten $ out of his wallet to go BACK to the WC and disappear. I really wish she had been written differently and they'd worked through things more, it could have been some great story.

The system is essentially broken or useless. The scene with punching Patrick being the only close one lately. Which is useless, as Maya's problem with the contract is resolved anyway in Episode 11...great choices DPC!

Instead of being something like a Mass Effect Paragon/Neutral/Renegade system, it has now devolved into Neutral/Chick, as every path is now "be nice to your girl, including Sage and Quinn, even if you can't choose Chick"?
Agreed, I've kind of made something of it cause in all this and some other VNs I'm trying, I'm taking notes on what seems to work and what doesn't. Or in once case, what could have worked but the way it was done was a disaster; looking at you "The Roommate" with your daily event planner.


Right. The CHICK Bella and Jill seems proper. The DIK Sage and Quinn seems proper. But now it's all Neutral/Chick, and even your attitude can be permanent (which means what now?) He either changes the system up, or it's going to keep being "be nice to your GF".
I'm fine with being nice to your GF... I am in RL... hell I'm a hopeless poetry spouting romantic. But, with everything tied to that, you have to be nice to everyone... and that I am not. In RL, I can be the biggest asshole you ever met if pissed off or crossed... I grew up around bikers, it... affected me. But if I'm serious about a gal, I'm protective, caring, sweet, giant teddy bear of a guy. Everyone else can fukkin piss off. :sneaky:

This is what repeatedly bugged me. The MC can't choose to be really nice to some people and a massive dick to others, in the end you're either one or the other... it kills the nuance. I wouldn't want him to be a massive dick to most of the DIKs (maybe Tommy, Tommy deserves it and also seems to kinda respect it). Why can't you be a nice guy to your friends and a nightmare to anybody dumb enough to make an enemy of you? So yeah, the current system is broken, makes the MC seem shallower and forces me into min/maxing instead of letting my choices be more organic as I role play the MC.


The Magnar reveal at the end is just silly.
Yeah, and it doesn't fit the rest of the story IMHO. I'm having visions of Magnar being dragged off to a mental institute in a straight jacket while screaming they can't do that to him because he's the Dungeon Master and he makes all the rules! Which gives me flash backs to my younger days playing D&D right about the time Mazes & Monsters with Tom Hanks came out and my parents went ape shit over it.

Kurt Vonnegut is famous for saying he never uses mystery, and instead just reveals whatever the interesting idea is first, and then goes from there. Showing us Magnar is some mastermind is a waste of exposition. Oh great, another fight with the Tri-Alphas, while the audience knows more than the characters...same with the magical Bella door being unlocked. It's getting old and dragged out.
No argument from me.

Appreciated the vote of confidence on me tackling a VN. I'm still more than a bit unsure about it. I have a story started, a setting, some character outlines and some general ideas of a middle and an end but that's as far as I've gotten. I know I've still got some 3D skills I need to work on, I need to learn to use soft body physics (most people call em jiggle physics) in Blender with characters and I need to learn more about working with characters in Blender, which I've done very little of. Most of my experience has been with scenery, architecture, furniture, props, etc.
 

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Well, not fallen yet.

He did go - Becky - Lily - Tiffani - Tara - Elena - back to back, without even a glass of water in between (if you wanted to).

That's pretty impressive.
I did Becky on my first playthrough. I had such high hopes for a great sex scene after her outstanding BJ. I was very disappointed.

I immediately rolled back, took it out of my playthrough and put Becky in the never to be touched pile with a certain Madame.
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The dick rot you get from fucking that brown-haired chick :eek:
 

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I had such high hopes for a great sex scene after her outstanding BJ. I was very disappointed.
Yeah that scene is a doomed save for me. Becky is also symptomatic of the whole character model change thing that happened, she looked like a smoke show at the HOTs party, and then she just crashes hard and becomes a comic relief character. Rio has had a lot of change. So has my dear smurf. Wonder what's up with that.
 

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Hmm I swear I had a "Contact Rio" tasks during a free roam where you basically say you heard she was sick and hope she'd doing better. No reply from Rio of course.

Update: Maybe that task came up after talking to Cammy?
Update again: That's it. He visits Cammy during the "decorating for Christmas" free roam then the task appears.
That's what I mean though, MC never takes the initiative to text her, Cammy has to bring it up for it to even occur to him. But unfortunately that's a gameplay limitation, since this is also the first episode we get to text Cammy, Mel and Sarah :cautious:

But I was hoping for a something similar to Episode 9, because MC and Zoey have a lot of chat history on his phone to indicate they've started talking again after the park bench scene. If we had that with Rio, even if only on her path, I would've loved that. She doesn't even have to respond, it could just be a bunch of "hey I miss you" type texts. But instead it's absolutely nothing, and only optional
 
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I like the concept of them fumbling around for what they want. But they're all just idiots! Especially when MC should be the guy driving the boat.
AAAAAMEN... AAAAAMEN... AAAAAAAMEN, amen, amen... preach it sister woman!

What... I grew up in the South. :sneaky:

And then there's Josy's wah moment which the MC and Maya wouldn've solved well before she started doing her own blog and spending so much time with herself. Just imagine if your own girlfriend started doing that and saying how lost she is...wtf? Are you paying attention?
Yup, what frustrates me is that no matter how hard I try to have the MC be a safe place for both Maya and Josy, its like they don't get it. Maya is finally seeming to come around after all the Thanksgiving stuff and that makes sense. It made sense to me why Maya pulled away, she's got some serious baggage. But Josy, no, Josy needs people for her to isolate for that long and worse for neither of her lovers to do anything about it... that's fucked up. If felt like DPC was very arbitrarily scripting in another crisis just for the sake of having crisis and in doing so, came at the cost of good story IMHO.

Then on top of that Maya and Josy don't go to the MCs Christmas party, but they DO go to the Tri-alphas and there isn't so much as a txt message asking the MC if he's okay with either. Um... step up and support you guy ladies... kay? Cause going to party with his mortal enemies is just... fuckin cold, especially after not showing up at his party and he had to leave his party to go to a party with them (apparently just we can have a pseudo harem scene that I neither wanted no asked for).

Sage, even just as fuck buddies got it... Sage was already the MC's GF long before Crossroads, hell, I'd go so far as to say she was already in love with the MC. I wish I had a screen shot of it, but its the moment they're at the HOTs party and they go outside, this is after the MC said something about not wanting to be "rebound guy". Sage looks at him and tells him he's not her rebound guy, that she will wait for him for as long as it takes for him to come around. Ladies and gents, in my humble experience of 56 years living on this Earth... anytime a woman looks at you and says something like that... it doesn't matter if she insists you're just fuck buddies, or if she denies she's your GF, or if she denies she's in love with you... her heart just told you... she's in love with you. I loved that scene and that scene alone could have sold me on Sage as a great LI.

Writing should be an idealized world, filled with conflict. An AVN should give you the freedom to explore that fantasy of whatever. Not set everything up for hamfisted silliness.
Que hymnals... ^^^^^^^ THIS
 
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I always thought a Rio route would be nice. Her and the MC seem to have a little bond and it would drive Quinn absolutely insane. How dare someone show her servant that she has value. :)
During Hell Week during the preppy mansion run there's a scene where the MC finds Rio outside and they talk and there's an option to give her money. This only has purpose if the MC previously did some other lewd scene with her, which I did not. Other than that, you're just wasting money.

I wish that had had an alternate where with no prior lewd scene if you were just a nice guy and gave her money to help her out she'd react to that and that could become the foundation for a friendship or more, and her beginning to see the MC as a nice guy (something she does later on and says so). Especially if you try to give her $$$$$ and she rejects that as being too much, and tries not to accept it with the whole "why are you being so nice to me, what do you want" bit which would be in character for her... and then puzzlement when the MC says he doesn't want anything. Something like that would have been a nice touch there.
 
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I don't do lazy writing; I think that my writing is overly ambitious, and I am always deliberate about what I write and how I do it. I think I look at that part in a different way than you do. That phone call showed that Quinn needed MC, and for the first time, she tried to show it, but MC was busy helping Maya. And as a result, after that failed attempt and what followed, she reverted and didn't try again. It motivated why she was absent for large parts of the episode and affected their relationship in the way that I wanted.
On MC’s choice not to answer, you're on to the right answer. Quinn and MC had a nice talk at the BBQ the day earlier. How could he have realized that a phone call late on Thanksgiving was urgent? It wasn't a high priority for him at that moment; people don't answer phone calls when they are preoccupied. You might have prioritized Quinn higher than him because of what you know as a player. It's the same with Riona fans who want to help her but aren't given the choice to do so. Not every choice that the player wants to make will be presented to you for storytelling reasons. It makes the player get a bit frustrated with the MC, and the urge to help their favorite character increases with those storytelling techniques.
I wouldn't have handled it differently, even if I had another year to develop episode 11. The addition to that scene fulfilled the purpose I wanted, and leaving it out would make it worse.
mc wasnt busy to help Maya. he got the papers, he is done with helping. he just sit there and dont do anything useful. he is not the brain in the team. they were talking and party, thats all. by the way, they said they will show the papers to Jill family's lawyer.
at the end of the xmas party mc tells to quinn, he is into her. why wasnt high priority for him the call from the girl who he is into, at that moment when he doesnt do anything important/immediate?
oh, yes, we understand why. because: "I am always deliberate about what I write and how I do it." "It motivated why she was absent for large parts of the episode and affected their relationship in the way that I wanted." it is lazy and poor writing.
he doesnt pick the phone, because you dont want it. not because he has any reason for it, in that moment.
 

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For all those claiming that Zoey was a MG, or Quinn was a MG, and argued with me when I said there was only 5 MG and would only ever be 5 MG. :)

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I mean, arguing over who's a main girl and who isn't is entirely pointless, since it's not the first time DPC made that clear. His reasoning though doesn't make a lick of sense. If main girls are supposed to be "important to the story regardless of your choices", then let's compare MG Jill to SG Quinn. How important is Jill to the story if you are not on her path?
- she is present, although entirely useless, during Operation Maya's Bullshit
- the entire Tybalt scheme is there, but pretty irrelevant if you aren't going after her (her turning Tybalt's plums into plum compote is of course very nice)
- she is the connection point for the Lana stuff, kind of, put so far that hasn't been very important
Otherwise she is pretty irrelevant.
Quinn on the other hand is pivotal in the entire "free tuition" plot as well as the Drugs-Buddy-Vinny-Rio-stuff, which so far is a huge part of the main story. You always see her in these scenes, if you are on her path or not.
So by DPCs own logic Quinn would have to be a main girl much more than Jill. She isn't though, which means that his reasoning is shit. :KEK:
 

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I thought your number 2 will be Rio or Mona I did not expect it to be Cinderella. It never occur to me that you and Spock are rivals. You can have my title of Mr. Teddy Bear from now on :ROFLMAO:

By the way I did not expect Micah and Penny to be on your wall
Brothers, not rivals, and you never had that title anyway, Nick :ROFLMAO:

Plus this fucking guy doesn't have Rio on there at all :cautious:
 

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I thought your number 2 will be Rio or Mona I did not expect it to be Cinderella. It never occur to me that you and Spock are rivals. You can have my title of Mr. Teddy Bear from now on :ROFLMAO:

By the way I did not expect Micah and Penny to be on your wall
We're not rivals. I have her #2, he has #3. :ROFLMAO: But he does simp a lot harder than me. :ROFLMAO:

The last 4 are basically my current wish list - Penny, Mischa, Lynn & Leanne. :)
 

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We're not rivals. I have her #2, he has #3. :ROFLMAO: But he does simp a lot harder than me. :ROFLMAO:

The last 4 are basically my current wish list - Penny, Mischa, Lynn & Leanne. :)
My simping reached into the ethereal plane and made psychic contact with DPC, and by sheer force of will, compelled him to turn Yoga Girl into Cinderella :BootyTime:
 
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Brothers, not rivals, and you never had that title anyway, Nick :ROFLMAO:

Plus this fucking guy doesn't have Rio on there at all :cautious:
You can ask Cinderella about that matter Mr. Danger. She called Mr. Teddy Bear so sucked on that
We're not rivals. I have her #2, he has #3. :ROFLMAO: But he does simp a lot harder than me. :ROFLMAO:

The last 4 are basically my current wish list - Penny, Mischa, Lynn & Leanne. :)
Spock simp so much that his Vulcan side is being overshadow. Leanne is up there in my wishlist she's the hottest among the trio introduce in the party
 

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You can ask Cinderella about that matter Mr. Danger. She called Mr. Teddy Bear so sucked on that

Spock simp so much that his Vulcan side is being overshadow. Leanne is up there in my wishlist she's the hottest among the trio introduce in the party
Cinderella likes mice, not fucking rats like you, Nick :cautious:

Leanne is alright, Charlotte is forgettable. I like Felicia's hips, but not enough to kiss her :BootyTime:
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Just admit it your half vulcan side is fucking dpshit
All I admit is that I need to simp harder to influence him...
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