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Math isn't a matter of opinion. You do it right or you do it wrong. Your "view" is based on badly done math so it might as well be completely arbitrary. I told you you should redo your calculations and you just dug in your heels as if math cares how strong willed you are.

An example of you getting something wrong is you saying that slipping to September would happen by 5-6 months. The month 5 months before September is April and 6 months before is March. I'm pretty sure you never meant to suggest the game might be released in March. I suspect that you meant April or May, counted 5 months from April and then added 1 month instead of subtracting to get the other end of the fork.

If you want to show that your math is valid go step by step. Do the calculations from exact dates. When the work started, when it reached 50% and when it will be done. Don't round it to months until you get to the final result.
Jesus Dude, again you're just taking this way too seriously and aggressively. Look at my first comment that's engendered this level of vitriol:
Given typical release date inflation, top end would be June 2026. However progress has been relatively quick and lacking notable delays so far and at least 50% of planned items have already been finished within 6-7 months, so if progress is maintained it could be as early as April.
It's clearly a rough "back of a napkin" estimate, which is the same level of accuracy you're doing too btw. What crawled up your arse last night that's caused you to suddenly lose your chill and become so anal about this?
 

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See if you can wrap your head around this, dalli_x.

In Ep 11, there are 2 variables for this choice:
  • ep11_music
  • ep11_fighter
Whichever one you choose gets set to 1 and this is the event you will do because you CANNOT have both set to 1. You can, however, have both set to 0 because you can turn down the fight tournament and either didn't get invited to perform at the faculty event or turned it down. This means we will likely have the following scenarios:
  • ep11_music = 1: MC will perform at the faculty event and will not participate in the fight tournament
  • ep11_fighter = 1: MC will participate in the fight tournament and will not attend the faculty event
  • ep11_music & ep11_fighter = 0 + branchSage/Jill/Bella: MC will be invited to faculty event by them and will not participate in the fight tournament
  • ep11_music & ep11_fighter = 0 + not branchSage/Jill/Bella: MC will watch the fight tournament but not participate in it and will not attend the faculty event.
Therefore, this will not be some big freeroam for both events because you cannot do both. It's 1000x more likely that they are just normal events you will click through without any freeroams elements whatsoever. The fight tournament though will be using the Brawler mechanics which will break up the event a bit, but that's it. The 26 character event DPC mentioned is likely to be the faculty event and he also never said this was a freeroam, and the 87 character event is 100% the NYE party freeroam event which will be indoors and so Maya will be wearing her winning outfit to this.

Deal. With. It. :cool:
First of all, I have to apologize for the "open world" thing. Google translated "big free roam event" incorrectly.

He can definitely be at the combat tournament. Thanks again to "ChipLecsap" for making me quickly check it out in the game.

Chao: "You're welcome to watch. Maybe it will make you change your mind."
MC: "Thanks for the invite."

The MC has received an invitation to the fighting tournament, even though he declined to participate. I'm wondering if this is where the decision for the three-way relationship lies. Does he prefer spending his time watching a fighting tournament or with Josy/Maya? If he prefers spending time with Josy or Maya, he has the option of expressing his love for the other. With a different relationship, it doesn't matter.

I need to rethink some things now, and I've come to the conclusion that there will be a New Year's Eve party.
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Dawe and Alex won't participate, and if they do, they'll be foolish because they don't stand a chance. The Brawler proved that. Besides, the fighting tournament takes place several times a year, and it's not what the ALPHAs train for.
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Jesus Dude, again you're just taking this way too seriously and aggressively. Look at my first comment that's engendered this level of vitriol:


It's clearly a rough "back of a napkin" estimate, which is the same level of accuracy you're doing too btw. What crawled up your arse last night that's caused you to suddenly lose your chill and become so anal about this?
And yet you keep asking for more. If you think it shouldn't continue just stop. It's that easy. If you are that uncaring about the accuracy of your own estimate stop digging your heels in. Reply again and you're showing that you are just as obstinate about this as I am.
 
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And yet you keep asking for more. If you think it shouldn't continue just stop. It's that easy. If you are that uncaring about the accuracy of your own estimate stop digging your heels in. Reply again and you're showing that you are just as obstinate about this as I am.
It's not about the estimate itself, I just don't get why you are so anally retentive about it to the point you're chucking insults and demanding I provide this spreadsheet breakdown of it even as you just chuck out your own estimates where you're likewise playing loosey-goosey with how you calculate months.

Usually you're pretty chill in this forum so I just don't get why you're now coming across as a bit of a prick over this...
 

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Look I don't care about the semantics going on in this thread.

All I want for closing S3 is us with the Chosen MG sitting on top of the DIK rooftop and just give a recap and reminiscing about their adventures while the fireworks are going off from a distance maybe blowing up from tybalts room or something during New Years.
Example:
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Others MC is just reminicing about his time at B&R and celebrating with the DIKS/Derek during New Years

Example:
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This would be perfect
 

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Actually, I wish you were right. It would be great to participate in both events. But simple logic dictates that if DPC wanted to give players this option, he would simply hold these events on different days, and the player wouldn't have to make a choice in Episode 11.
It's the Maya/Josy principle being applied here; he could easily have us do things with both girls on different days but we can't because he makes it so we can't. The faculty event and fight tournament are now this; 2 events happening simultaneously and you can't do both.

Chao: "You're welcome to watch. Maybe it will make you change your mind."
MC: "Thanks for the invite."
Yes, he invited him to watch because he's not participating and this is before he was potentially invited to the faculty event. He could perhaps go there for a bit before going to the faculty event if he's going there either to perform of because he was invited by Sage, or Jill, or Bella on their paths respectively. But he WILL NOT participate in the fight tournament and perform at the faculty event and he WILL NOT go to the faculty without having been invited to it. That much should be abundantly clear by now.

I need to rethink some things now, and I've come to the conclusion that there will be a New Year's Eve party.
Oh hallelujah! Miracles do happen.

Bella: "I'm sure you celebrate that with family and relatives."
This line wasn't specific to New Year's though and it wasn't in reference to only having a small party for NYE. The preceding lines were as follows:

Sage: "No, but for real! We should party and celebrate things together!"
Jill: "What are you talking about?"
Sage: "Christmas! We should celebrate Christmas! And New Year's! And birthdays!!!"

The important line there is the first one. It's a general sentiment that she wants them to do more things together as a group and she wants them all to be at these special events. It's not her saying she wants only to have a small event for NYE with just them, it's her saying that she wants them there, whatever form the event takes, and it's going to be in the form of a big freeroam in a new location with 87 people because NYE is going to be the big party of the episode.

Based on Isabella's statement, I could easily imagine an intimate New Year's Eve party with 26 people.
Bella's only saying that because, as the adult and the teacher, she doesn't like feel a) she is part of this friend group, and b) she should be part of this friend group. But it's very much established she is part of this group by the end of the episode and she's happy to be given how relaxed and cool she was with them, letting her hair down and rediscovering her youthful spirit.

In contrast, there are the 87 people.
Because this party will be in a new and neutral location and comprise of DIKs, HOTs, Jocks, Preps, Nerds, dorm girls, dorm guys, and faculty. The numbers add up to get very close to that number and even if there aren't faculty, DPC has plenty of voiceless, nameless background characters to add to make up the numbers.

But the reason faculty will be there is because it allows for some high drama moments involving Bella, Jade, and even Cathy and Nora if they're there should we have something like a blowup leading to the MC's relationship with them beng outed. Even without that, this is the last party of the season and it's only right for it to be the biggest ever party and to have as many characters in it as possible both for maximum drama potentials and scenes but also because NYE should be a massive party and nobody should be left out.

Dawe and Alex won't participate, and if they do, they'll be foolish because they don't stand a chance. The Brawler proved that.
They will because we need them to make up the numbers. Guaranteed we'll be fighting all the people we already have in Brawler this season, so that means the participants will be:
  1. MC (or a new rando if not participating, or maybe Jimmy since he was seen with Dawe in Ep 11)
  2. Troy
  3. Dawe
  4. Alex
  5. Dwyane
  6. Chao
  7. Tate
  8. Caleb (late addition and the final boss fight)
Besides, the fighting tournament takes place several times a year, and it's not what the ALPHAs train for.
The weightlifting competition is in the spring which means probably sometime between March and May. This tournament is happening in December so there's no danger in participating now, they won't want to do it nearer the time. They clearly also do fighting as well as weightlifting, Dawe and Alex at least, and we've seen Jimmy with them in the boxing area as well as Caleb hitting the bag. So I think it's pretty certain they'll be in this.

You guys actually care about the plot still?
Hush peanut, let Daddy work. ;)
 
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It's the Maya/Josy principle being applied here; he could easily have us do things with both girls on different days but we can't because he makes it so we can't. The faculty event and fight tournament are now this; 2 events happening simultaneously and you can't do both.


Yes, he invited him to watch because he's not participating and this is before he was potentially invited to the faculty event. He could perhaps go there for a bit before going to the faculty event if he's going there either to perform of because he was invited by Sage, or Jill, or Bella on their paths respectively. But he WILL NOT participate in the fight tournament and perform at the faculty event and he WILL NOT go to the faculty without having been invited to it. That much should be abundantly clear by now.


Oh hallelujah! Miracles do happen.


This line wasn't specific to New Year's though and it wasn't in reference to only having a small party for NYE. The preceding lines were as follows:

Sage: "No, but for real! We should party and celebrate things together!"
Jill: "What are you talking about?"
Sage: "Christmas! We should celebrate Christmas! And New Year's! And birthdays!!!"

The important line there is the first one. It's a general sentiment that she wants them to do more things together as a group and she wants them all to be at these special events. It's not her saying she wants only to have a small event for NYE with just them, it's her saying that she wants them there, whatever form the event takes, and it's going to be in the form of a big freeroam in a new location with 87 people because NYE is going to be the big party of the episode.


Bella's only saying that because, as the adult and the teacher, she doesn't like feel a) she is part of this friend group, and b) she should be part of this friend group. But it's very much established she is part of this group by the end of the episode and she's happy to be given how relaxed and cool she was with them, letting her hair down and rediscovering her youthful spirit.


Because this party will be in a new and neutral location and comprise of DIKs, HOTs, Jocks, Preps, Nerds, dorm girls, dorm guys, and faculty. The numbers add up to get very close to that number and even if there aren't faculty, DPC has plenty of voiceless, nameless background characters to add to make up the numbers.

But the reason faculty will be there is because it allows for some high drama moments involving Bella, Jade, and even Cathy and Nora if they're there should we have something like a blowup leading to the MC's relationship with them beng outed. Even without that, this is the last party of the season and it's only right for it to be the biggest ever party and to have as many characters in it as possible both for maximum drama potentials and scenes but also because NYE should be a massive party and nobody should be left out.


They will because we need them to make up the numbers. Guaranteed we'll be fighting all the people we already have in Brawler this season, so that means the participants will be:
  1. MC (or a new rando if not participating, or maybe Jimmy since he was seen with Dawe in Ep 11)
  2. Troy
  3. Dawe
  4. Alex
  5. Dwyane
  6. Chao
  7. Tate
  8. Caleb (late addition and the final boss fight)

The weightlifting competition is in the spring which means probably sometime between March and May. This tournament is happening in December so there's no danger in participating now, they won't want to do it nearer the time. They clearly also do fighting as well as weightlifting, Dawe and Alex at least, and we've seen Jimmy with them in the boxing area as well as Caleb hitting the bag. So I think it's pretty certain they'll be in this.



Hush peanut, let Daddy work. ;)[/SPOILER]
It's strange that you didn't say a word about what Philip said. :rolleyes:
 

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Get the feeling if there is a tragedy in this game it'll be at the NYE party. It'll probably be the largest one we ever see given it's the climax of S3 which is built around them as a mechanic, so would make sense if there is some giant incident it would have to be there.

As for when the game takes place, I'm not putting too much emphasis on the game year. A bit like the economy where a single $ can mean just that or a value only seen under Zimbabwean hyperinflation I don't think DPC has put much thought into it other than "contemporary" (especially given it was initially meant to be a prequel to Acting Lessons).
 

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You guys actually care about the plot still? By this point, I just ctrl until I get to see my favourite babes on any given path.

If I'm on the M&J path, for example, then I don't care about talking to Sage or Jill or whoever else is in my way. Especially all that annoying DIK stuff.
I dont, i ctrl walls or meaningless dialogues/uninteresting characters(all games). plot is background for me.
But you say that if like updates are coming out every 3 mo, or we are in LiL's thread waiting for 60th update. People have no things to do other than thoroughly play every piece of update, coz its the only thing thats going to be avaliable for ~15 months. So they admire Quinn's diary and cheer for their father to do their mom with Derek.

And there is a "little" problem, what if you skip in search of sheenanigans(at least dialogues) with your LI, but there is none.
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It's strange how you didn't say a word about anything I said :ROFLMAO:

But there will not be 87 people at the faculty event. It's the NYE party.

Deal with it :cool:
Based on Philip's description of the preparations for the college Christmas party, I'm actually more skeptical. He's part of a party committee and they're looking at venues. That sounds like a bigger party than just for 26 people.:unsure:
 

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It's only confirmed so that Josy will spend Christmas with her mother, Iris, since it's her mother's turn this year. Josy also said it's so she can celebrate Christmas again later with her father, Pete. It was only written down so that Iris would like to meet the MC.

There's an occasion for Maya to wear the dress, and that will be the college Christmas party.
And that MC will be with Josy at Iris we know that for a fact, Josy said she would make time to see her dad but very clearly MC is going with her I don't think MC would be meeting Iris without Josy there no reason for that to happen. Maya isn't going to be at the Teachers and staff Christmas just Jill and Bella maybe Sage because her parents, Josy and Maya would only be at the Fight tournament if MC does it they can't go to the staff party thing not the way it was talk about in 11
 

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It's not about the estimate itself, I just don't get why you are so anally retentive about it to the point you're chucking insults and demanding I provide this spreadsheet breakdown of it even as you just chuck out your own estimates where you're likewise playing loosey-goosey with how you calculate months.

Usually you're pretty chill in this forum so I just don't get why you're now coming across as a bit of a prick over this...
See? There you go. You just aren't letting this go.

I asked you for a more accurately done calculation because you obviously kept getting the ends of your forks mixed up.

If you want me to show you, okay. It is now Early November. Pessimistic as it might be I am assuming that the progress is just now at 50%. Thus the time remaining will be about the same as the time that has passed. I also assume that Ep 12 rendering started as soon as rendering for ep 11 was done. It may not have been going at full speed at the time so I'm using the early March launch as the point at which work would have started had it been going constantly at its current speed.

To make it clear for the purposes of this calculation Nov 3rd is the halfway point, March 3rd is the starting point and the work has lasted exactly 8 months. Exactly 8 months from now the rendering will be at 100% and the game can have a full test. That would be July 3rd. It may also be pessimistic but I assume exactly 1 month between render completion and the actual release. That would be Aug 3rd.

We can discuss the exact starting point, the half way point and any other assumption I've made here, but the math itself is correct.

You don't have to share my opinions but if you show bad reasoning for your opinions I will point it out. That is always my focus. People can have their opinions but if the process that lead them there is flawed there is a problem. If they had reasoned properly they themselves would disagree with the result they got.

If you had done the math right you would have gotten a different result. I would probably still disagree, but at least the math would be accurate and we could focus on the key assumptions of starting point and halfway point, if we wanted to keep going.
 
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The branching of the five paths isn't the problem. Of course, there will be exclusive content; I'm not denying that.

That's exactly what I wrote. The MC will participate in both events, actively or passively. The events will be on the same day, with the only difference being that the combat tournament will be in the afternoon and the faculty event in the evening.

All of this will be combined into one nice, large open-world free-roam event.:rolleyes:
Dude you can only pick one event to go to, if you could go to both there wouldn't had been the choice where MC says he can only go to one
 

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Based on Philip's description of the preparations for the college Christmas party, I'm actually more skeptical. He's part of a party committee and they're looking at venues. That sounds like a bigger party than just for 26 people.:unsure:
  1. MC
  2. Jill
  3. Bella
  4. Sage
  5. Tybalt
  6. Jade
  7. Stephen
  8. Philip
  9. Willcock
  10. Hagar
  11. Geoff
  12. Amelia
  13. Bianca
That's the minimum guest list there for known characters. Others could be:
  1. Rusty
  2. Rusty's Dad
  3. Rusty's Mom
  4. Cathy
  5. Nora
  6. Teacher seen in the break room in Ep 7
  7. Other teacher seen in the break room in Ep 7
  8. Old teacher from the math exam in Ep 8
  9. The receptionist
  10. Guy in the tan chequered suit from the Ep 5 dorm party
  11. The guy he was talking to
  12. Another of the Prep party guests
  13. Another of the Prep party guests
There you go. I just found 26 people and it's more than enough. Even if you take out Rusty and his parents which is uncertain, Cathy since she's no longer faculty, and even Bianca, then DPC will probably just fill it with extras who are "esteemed guests".
 
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Based on Philip's description of the preparations for the college Christmas party, I'm actually more skeptical. He's part of a party committee and they're looking at venues. That sounds like a bigger party than just for 26 people.:unsure:
Now that dalli is just you. If 26 people choose 3 people to plan their party that's a committee. If a mere 6 people are deciding which restaurant to have their dinner at they are looking at venues.
 
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