VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[NewGuy2022]

Well with me the Heather appreciation happened a lot faster. The first impression was a stuck up bitch who wouldn't talk to maggots. Then she was shown to have a temper and while it wasn't okay for her to take it out on MC my judgement of her was put on hold until I figured out why she was angry. Then it was all Tommy's fault. Then it was even more Tommy's fault. Then she explained that they were supposed ask permission before fucking someone else and I concluded that Tommy is a cheating asshole and Heather deserves better.

But it did offer an interesting mental exercise in how you could still be a cheater in an open relationship. I was sure that Heather was being wronged because Tommy was clearly breaking the rule they set up, but putting it to words was challenging. I got a satisfying explanation when I looked at it from the angle that cheating is literally the same as breaking a rule and it applies to all relationships. In a conventional relationship having sex with someone else is cheating because there is a rule that you aren't allowed to do that. An open relationship does allow sex with other people but there can still be rules about it and breaking them makes someone just as much a cheater as it does in a conventional relationship. Heather and Tommy had a rule and Tommy broke it so he is a cheater.

I'd like to see the characters tackle that exercise especially if it was MC and Heather, but I don't see a way they could have sex without breaking the brotherhood's bonds. So while I still want that scene I don't think there is a happy ending with Heather.

Right. For open relationships to work, they require communication, trust, and respect. This includes explaining the boundaries (if any) and following them.

Heather communicated her boundaries to Tommy and trusted him to follow them. The boundaries are pretty simple but Tommy didn't care enough to follow them. Tommy broke the trust when he did this; he actually cheated on a kitchen pass. I mean, how much of a loser must you be to screw up a relationship that's this open? Somehow Tommy did it...

 

[felicemastronzo]

I hate to be that guy but... is there any news on an update and when can we expect one (approximately of course)?
Thank you!

Dpc never gives a release date, he only announces what the last update will be before release, which usually happens within a couple of weeks. So check back here in early September when those who believed it would be released then will be consoled. From there, something should happen within a couple of months.

 

[FalconLover420]

"warms the cockles of my cold dead heart "

 

[Jojo2083]

I hate to be that guy but... is there any news on an update and when can we expect one (approximately of course)?
Thank you!

last update took 14-15 months i think, guess it wont be less then that this time, so May or something

 

[grarg]

When is Episode 12 coming out?

First, we have to project the # of screens.

To do that, we project new timelines for episode 12, by analyzing trends:

#	Renders	Working days	Renders/day
EP 8	4158	150.71	27.59
EP 9	5037	205	24.57
EP 10	5868	255	23.01
EP 11	7113	325.71	21.84

*Assume working days are normal at 5 a week, so a normal 5 day work week schedule.

Renders/day shows a declining trend, due to all sorts of $$$$$ Milking reasons.

So let's assume EP 12 follows this trend:
4158 to 5037 = +21.14%
5037 to 5868 = +16.49%
5868 to 7113 = +21.22%

The average (sum/3):
19.6167%

So the potential number of new screens from 7133 (+19.62%) is 8508.335871, or ~8500.

(We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding, QA, testing, etc.; regardless, the total days are the same.)

Now we go back to the actual time episodes took

#	Renders	Days
EP 4	2532	148
EP 5	2456	141
EP 6	3336	169
EP 7	3723	162
EP 8	4158	211
EP 9	5037	287
EP 10	5868	357
EP 11	7113	456

*Interlude skipped because, yeah, even worse projections with those numbers. Destroyer indeed.

Method 1: Trend of average renders per day
(minus work days, we'll just use straight numbers regardless of workdays minus weekends, as the trend is the same)

Renders/Day rate is:
EP 9: 17.55
EP 10: 16.44
EP 11: 15.60

For whatever Milked reason, DPC is slowing down.

Estimated days using EP 11 rate:
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 15.6 = 545 days.

Estimated days using EP10/11 delta = (16.44 - 15.60 = 0.84, thus, 15.60 - 0.84 = 14.76)
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 14.76 = 576 days.

***
EP 11 released on March 7, 2025.

Thus if using EP11's trend, the release date is:
September 3rd, 2026

Thus if using EP11/10's delta trend, the release date is:
October 4th, 2026

Method 2: Linear trend (day count)

Looking at the increase in days:
EP 9 to 10 was 70 days (357-287 = 70)
EP 10 to 11 was 99 days (456-357 = 99)

99-77 = 22, or a 22 day increase. Thus, 22 + 99 = 121 days

So, EP 11 at 456 days + 121 days = 577 days

Thus if using linear trend of days, the release date is:
October 5th, 2026

***
Conclusion:

In software dev, we usually account for 10-20% overage (which is when things go boom and more time is needed):
576 times 0.10 = 57.6 days
576 + 57.6 = 633.6 days (634)
Thus:
December 1, 2026

576 times 0.20 = 115.2 days
576 + 115.2 = 691.2 days (691)
Thus:
January 26, 2027

So the range of probable release dates, assuming 8500 new screens (and all other work being equal and accounted for), we have a trend between:
September 3rd 2026
&
January 26th 2027

It's green because of the $$$$$

 

[Little Penguin]

When is Episode 12 coming out?

First, we have to project the # of screens.

To do that, we project new timelines for episode 12, by analyzing trends:

#	Renders	Working days	Renders/day
EP 8	4158	150.71	27.59
EP 9	5037	205	24.57
EP 10	5868	255	23.01
EP 11	7113	325.71	21.84

*Assume working days are normal at 5 a week, so a normal 5 day work week schedule.

Renders/day shows a declining trend, due to all sorts of $$$$$ Milking reasons.

So let's assume EP 12 follows this trend:
4158 to 5037 = +21.14%
5037 to 5868 = +16.49%
5868 to 7113 = +21.22%

The average (sum/3):
19.6167%

So the potential number of new screens from 7133 (+19.62%) is 8508.335871, or ~8500.

(We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding, QA, testing, etc.; regardless, the total days are the same.)

Now we go back to the actual time episodes took

#	Renders	Days
EP 4	2532	148
EP 5	3336	141
EP 6	3336	169
EP 7	3723	162
EP 8	4158	211
EP 9	5037	287
EP 10	5868	357
EP 11	7113	456

*Interlude skipped because, yeah, even worse projections with those numbers. Destroyer indeed.

Method 1: Trend of average renders per day
(minus work days, we'll just use straight numbers regardless of workdays minus weekends, as the trend is the same)

Renders/Day rate is:
EP 9: 17.55
EP 10: 16.44
EP 11: 15.60

For whatever Milked reason, DPC is slowing down.

Estimated days using EP 11 rate:
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 15.6 = 545 days.

Estimated days using EP10/11 delta = (16.44 - 15.60 = 0.84, thus, 15.60 - 0.84 = 14.76)
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 14.76 = 575 days.

***
EP 11 released on March 7, 2025.

Thus if using EP11's trend, the release date is:
September 3rd, 2026

Thus if using EP11/10's delta trend, the release date is:
October 3rd, 2026

Method 2: Linear trend (day count)

Looking at the increase in days:
EP 9 to 10 was 70 days (357-287 = 70)
EP 10 to 11 was 99 days (456-357 = 99)

99-77 = 22, or a 22 day increase. Thus, 22 + 99 = 121 days

So, EP 11 at 456 days + 121 days = 576 days

Thus if using linear trend of days, the release date is:
October 4th, 2026

***
Conclusion:

In software dev, we usually account for 10-20% overage (which is when things go boom and more time is needed):
576 times 0.10 = 57.6 days
576 + 57.6 = 633.6 days (634)
Thus:
December 1, 2026

576 times 0.20 = 115.2 days
576 + 115.2 = 691.2 days (691)
Thus:
January 26, 2027

So the range of probable release dates, assuming 8500 new screens (and all other work being equal and accounted for), we have a trend between:
September 3rd 2026
&
January 26 2027

It's green because of the $$$$$

 

[Badjourasmix]

When is Episode 12 coming out?

First, we have to project the # of screens.

To do that, we project new timelines for episode 12, by analyzing trends:

#	Renders	Working days	Renders/day
EP 8	4158	150.71	27.59
EP 9	5037	205	24.57
EP 10	5868	255	23.01
EP 11	7113	325.71	21.84

*Assume working days are normal at 5 a week, so a normal 5 day work week schedule.

Renders/day shows a declining trend, due to all sorts of $$$$$ Milking reasons.

So let's assume EP 12 follows this trend:
4158 to 5037 = +21.14%
5037 to 5868 = +16.49%
5868 to 7113 = +21.22%

The average (sum/3):
19.6167%

So the potential number of new screens from 7133 (+19.62%) is 8508.335871, or ~8500.

(We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding, QA, testing, etc.; regardless, the total days are the same.)

Now we go back to the actual time episodes took

#	Renders	Days
EP 4	2532	148
EP 5	3336	141
EP 6	3336	169
EP 7	3723	162
EP 8	4158	211
EP 9	5037	287
EP 10	5868	357
EP 11	7113	456

*Interlude skipped because, yeah, even worse projections with those numbers. Destroyer indeed.

Method 1: Trend of average renders per day
(minus work days, we'll just use straight numbers regardless of workdays minus weekends, as the trend is the same)

Renders/Day rate is:
EP 9: 17.55
EP 10: 16.44
EP 11: 15.60

For whatever Milked reason, DPC is slowing down.

Estimated days using EP 11 rate:
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 15.6 = 545 days.

Estimated days using EP10/11 delta = (16.44 - 15.60 = 0.84, thus, 15.60 - 0.84 = 14.76)
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 14.76 = 576 days.

***
EP 11 released on March 7, 2025.

Thus if using EP11's trend, the release date is:
September 3rd, 2026

Thus if using EP11/10's delta trend, the release date is:
October 4th, 2026

Method 2: Linear trend (day count)

Looking at the increase in days:
EP 9 to 10 was 70 days (357-287 = 70)
EP 10 to 11 was 99 days (456-357 = 99)

99-77 = 22, or a 22 day increase. Thus, 22 + 99 = 121 days

So, EP 11 at 456 days + 121 days = 577 days

Thus if using linear trend of days, the release date is:
October 5th, 2026

***
Conclusion:

In software dev, we usually account for 10-20% overage (which is when things go boom and more time is needed):
576 times 0.10 = 57.6 days
576 + 57.6 = 633.6 days (634)
Thus:
December 1, 2026

576 times 0.20 = 115.2 days
576 + 115.2 = 691.2 days (691)
Thus:
January 26, 2027

So the range of probable release dates, assuming 8500 new screens (and all other work being equal and accounted for), we have a trend between:
September 3rd 2026
&
January 26 2027

It's green because of the $$$$$

 

[BadassDolphin]

When is Episode 12 coming out?

First, we have to project the # of screens.

To do that, we project new timelines for episode 12, by analyzing trends:

#	Renders	Working days	Renders/day
EP 8	4158	150.71	27.59
EP 9	5037	205	24.57
EP 10	5868	255	23.01
EP 11	7113	325.71	21.84

*Assume working days are normal at 5 a week, so a normal 5 day work week schedule.

Renders/day shows a declining trend, due to all sorts of $$$$$ Milking reasons.

So let's assume EP 12 follows this trend:
4158 to 5037 = +21.14%
5037 to 5868 = +16.49%
5868 to 7113 = +21.22%

The average (sum/3):
19.6167%

So the potential number of new screens from 7133 (+19.62%) is 8508.335871, or ~8500.

(We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding, QA, testing, etc.; regardless, the total days are the same.)

Now we go back to the actual time episodes took

#	Renders	Days
EP 4	2532	148
EP 5	3336	141
EP 6	3336	169
EP 7	3723	162
EP 8	4158	211
EP 9	5037	287
EP 10	5868	357
EP 11	7113	456

*Interlude skipped because, yeah, even worse projections with those numbers. Destroyer indeed.

Method 1: Trend of average renders per day
(minus work days, we'll just use straight numbers regardless of workdays minus weekends, as the trend is the same)

Renders/Day rate is:
EP 9: 17.55
EP 10: 16.44
EP 11: 15.60

For whatever Milked reason, DPC is slowing down.

Estimated days using EP 11 rate:
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 15.6 = 545 days.

Estimated days using EP10/11 delta = (16.44 - 15.60 = 0.84, thus, 15.60 - 0.84 = 14.76)
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 14.76 = 576 days.

***
EP 11 released on March 7, 2025.

Thus if using EP11's trend, the release date is:
September 3rd, 2026

Thus if using EP11/10's delta trend, the release date is:
October 4th, 2026

Method 2: Linear trend (day count)

Looking at the increase in days:
EP 9 to 10 was 70 days (357-287 = 70)
EP 10 to 11 was 99 days (456-357 = 99)

99-77 = 22, or a 22 day increase. Thus, 22 + 99 = 121 days

So, EP 11 at 456 days + 121 days = 577 days

Thus if using linear trend of days, the release date is:
October 5th, 2026

***
Conclusion:

In software dev, we usually account for 10-20% overage (which is when things go boom and more time is needed):
576 times 0.10 = 57.6 days
576 + 57.6 = 633.6 days (634)
Thus:
December 1, 2026

576 times 0.20 = 115.2 days
576 + 115.2 = 691.2 days (691)
Thus:
January 26, 2027

So the range of probable release dates, assuming 8500 new screens (and all other work being equal and accounted for), we have a trend between:
September 3rd 2026
&
January 26th 2027

It's green because of the $$$$$

March 2026*

 

[grarg]

March 2026*

Based on what?

And if that's the case, DPC has been pulling a $$$$$ fast one on everyone for years.

...or, he'll actually pay for help.

 

[Badjourasmix]

The development time has increased for each update so it wouldn't surprise me if it came out around the summer of next year.

 

[maxthruster]

When is Episode 12 coming out?

First, we have to project the # of screens.

To do that, we project new timelines for episode 12, by analyzing trends:

#	Renders	Working days	Renders/day
EP 8	4158	150.71	27.59
EP 9	5037	205	24.57
EP 10	5868	255	23.01
EP 11	7113	325.71	21.84

*Assume working days are normal at 5 a week, so a normal 5 day work week schedule.

Renders/day shows a declining trend, due to all sorts of $$$$$ Milking reasons.

So let's assume EP 12 follows this trend:
4158 to 5037 = +21.14%
5037 to 5868 = +16.49%
5868 to 7113 = +21.22%

The average (sum/3):
19.6167%

So the potential number of new screens from 7133 (+19.62%) is 8508.335871, or ~8500.

(We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding, QA, testing, etc.; regardless, the total days are the same.)

Now we go back to the actual time episodes took

#	Renders	Days
EP 4	2532	148
EP 5	3336	141
EP 6	3336	169
EP 7	3723	162
EP 8	4158	211
EP 9	5037	287
EP 10	5868	357
EP 11	7113	456

*Interlude skipped because, yeah, even worse projections with those numbers. Destroyer indeed.

Method 1: Trend of average renders per day
(minus work days, we'll just use straight numbers regardless of workdays minus weekends, as the trend is the same)

Renders/Day rate is:
EP 9: 17.55
EP 10: 16.44
EP 11: 15.60

For whatever Milked reason, DPC is slowing down.

Estimated days using EP 11 rate:
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 15.6 = 545 days.

Estimated days using EP10/11 delta = (16.44 - 15.60 = 0.84, thus, 15.60 - 0.84 = 14.76)
Renders / (renders/day rate) = 8500 / 14.76 = 576 days.

***
EP 11 released on March 7, 2025.

Thus if using EP11's trend, the release date is:
September 3rd, 2026

Thus if using EP11/10's delta trend, the release date is:
October 4th, 2026

Method 2: Linear trend (day count)

Looking at the increase in days:
EP 9 to 10 was 70 days (357-287 = 70)
EP 10 to 11 was 99 days (456-357 = 99)

99-77 = 22, or a 22 day increase. Thus, 22 + 99 = 121 days

So, EP 11 at 456 days + 121 days = 577 days

Thus if using linear trend of days, the release date is:
October 5th, 2026

***
Conclusion:

In software dev, we usually account for 10-20% overage (which is when things go boom and more time is needed):
576 times 0.10 = 57.6 days
576 + 57.6 = 633.6 days (634)
Thus:
December 1, 2026

576 times 0.20 = 115.2 days
576 + 115.2 = 691.2 days (691)
Thus:
January 26, 2027

So the range of probable release dates, assuming 8500 new screens (and all other work being equal and accounted for), we have a trend between:
September 3rd 2026
&
January 26th 2027

It's green because of the $$$$$

We've done it, folks. We've reached peak reasoning. No one else will ever make a smarter post. Fewer renders per day equals delaying for money, no ifs ands or buts.

Just out of curiosity, oh Mighty Brain-Haver, how does the comparison hold up if your arbitrarily selected singular metric is, say, number of words per update or complexity of features such as freeroams and minigames?

 

[Darkwen]

March 2026*

would be nice both 9 and 10 came out the same month .. i think .. its been a while so would be nice if 11 and 12 came out the same month or close to it. that said not getting my hopes up and sticking with December 2026. im staying with it til there a release date

 

[grarg]

We've done it, folks. We've reached peak reasoning. No one else will ever make a smarter post. Fewer renders per day equals delaying for money, no ifs ands or buts.

Just out of curiosity, oh Mighty Brain-Haver, how does the comparison hold up if your arbitrarily selected singular metric is, say, number of words per update or complexity of features such as freeroams and minigames?

In comparison to ...? What "arbitrarily selected singular metric"?

Whatever DPC did between releases -- +1 free roam than before, +2 mini-games, etc. -- those episodes came out.

A trend is a series of observations of the past that forms a pattern; we use that, get it's average, determine a general direction, and simply add it to project the future.

 

[maxthruster]

In comparison to ...? What "arbitrarily selected singular metric"?

You chose to analyze based on renders produced - and only renders produced - in each update. Deliberately ignoring writing, coding, branching, animation, and other aspects. Because surely these things, which are only becoming more complex as time goes on and the game's branches fracture further and further, don't take any development time at all, I suppose. I get that not all of them are quantifiable, but come on, man. That's basic shit.

 

[Tremonia]

We're not taking into account other things like animations and coding

And that's the problem. The release times increased when DPC went nuts with his fucking free roams and most of all the tons of animations. Especially since he's doing 60fps animations.

 

[grarg]

You chose to analyze based on renders produced - and only renders produced - in each update. Deliberately ignoring writing, coding, branching, animation, and other aspects. Because surely these things, which are only becoming more complex as time goes on and the game's branches fracture further and further, don't take any development time at all, I suppose. I get that not all of them are quantifiable, but come on, man. That's basic shit.

Trends don't care about how the sausage was made. Or that it's even a sausage.

I came to ~8500 as a projection of how many renders there may be in the future -- which again, is based off the increase in previous renders.

And even if it did require other factors you think of, regardless, the time to completion, or total days between release dates, would be the same.

Truly, we can add up all those variables per episode, (e.g. EP2 2 free roams, EP3 5 free roams, etc.) and find a new metric; but the total days would still be the same.

 

[grarg]

And that's the problem. The release times increased when DPC went nuts with his fucking free roams and most of all the tons of animations. Especially since he's doing 60fps animations.

What problem exactly?

The time to completion is always the same. You could argue a ratio between free-roams / days, or (free-roams + mini-games) / days, and get a new pattern. But the historical total days between releases is always the same.

It does not matter what the numerator is, or how many variables it's composed of. Because we have a hard coded time constant.

 

[maxthruster]

Trends don't care about how the sausage was made. Or that it's even a sausage.

I came to ~8500 as a projection of how many renders there may be in the future -- which again, is based off the increase in previous renders.

And even if it did require other factors you think of, regardless, the time to completion, or total days between release dates, would be the same.

Truly, we can add up all those variables per episode, (e.g. EP2 2 free roams, EP3 5 free roams, etc.) and find a new metric; but the total days would still be the same.

I think you're missing the point wildly.

Yes, obviously, the amount of days between releases is the same no matter what. But you're measuring how fast his progress is based solely on the renders completed in that time, using that data to not only make estimates about the next update's release but also claims about the work ethic.

My point is that the renders are not the only things being done during that time. If indeed there were separate people for writing, rendering, animation and other aspects of the game, that would be a relevant metric for the productivity of that specific team member. But it isn't. It's one guy doing it all by itself.

Don't get me wrong, the data on render growth is pretty fascinating, and I enjoy seeing it laid out so nicely. But it doesn't tell the full story and you're treating this one singular plot graph like a workplace evaluation, conveniently leaving out several other factors in the exponential growth of the development time. It's not a bad way to estimate how many static renders we'll have in the next update, and maybe you'll be correct, but it's a bad way to extrapolate the release dates, and a bad way to estimate "work ethic," which you seem so dead set on doing.

 

[Tremonia]

Trends don't care about how the sausage was made. Or that it's even a sausage.

Yeah, I can see that.

I came to ~8500 as a projection of how many renders there may be in the future -- which again, is based off the increase in previous renders.

But the amount of still renders aren't the problem. Last time DPC was stating for weeks his update is ready and he's waiting for the finish of his animations in queue. Sure, no one has to believe his words. We can't prove them anyway. But personally I don't think he was lying there. So, if you want to make guesses you should do it on his animations, not his still renders.

 

[Darkwen]

You chose to analyze based on renders produced - and only renders produced - in each update. Deliberately ignoring writing, coding, branching, animation, and other aspects. Because surely these things, which are only becoming more complex as time goes on and the game's branches fracture further and further, don't take any development time at all, I suppose. I get that not all of them are quantifiable, but come on, man. That's basic shit.

Should be noted DPC has said no new mini games so already part of the above guess should be thrown out.

There always been one thing that slows things down, animations.

Renders he can make pretty fast and if you take ep7 and 8 and combine the renders count it is bigger then ep11 and was made about 2 and haft months faster