VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Darkwen]

Well if I could convince you of that information Dali, I'd be a better man than Blue Milk given he has been trying to explain that to you for a while - and I'll generally be repeating what he has said, but about 4 weeks ago, DPC said he was starting on creating environments for a massive freeroam with 87 people - why new environments. Well no where shown in a freeroam so far could really handle 87 people, but also its nice neutral ground, Not the DIKs house, Not the Hots, Not the Alphas etc etc - now added to that 87 people is a fucking lot of people and while yes, the Alphas only really make up 8 of them and can easily be replaced by new or lesser known characters - I dont think we are at the point of the game where its beneficial to introduce new characters. They will be known one way or another (now that still doesnt mean it HAS to be the Jocks) but we have an image of Mel, Sarah, Aerith, Chad and the MC in one room, with one character having a bottle of beer in hand and a Balloon sculpture in the back that has been seen in other pictures such as with Sage and Maya - these characters also seem to be in an environment that we havent seen before in a freeroam.

Now I understand that both Blue Milk and I could be clutching at straws here, and we can only say that MC, Sage, Maya, Mel, Sarah, Aerith and Chad are a fry cry from the 87 characters quoted and Chad being there does not equate to the jocks, but given the sheer number of people there, its not out of the question to think the Jocks wont be.




I don't understand why you think the Fighting tournament and the facility thing are important. DPC wouldn't allow us to meet characters that could be considered important as Viv or Miranda at two mutually exclusive events, which you, as a player, can bypass completely - remember you can say no to both events, going to either of them certainly isnt canon.

The fight tournament and facility they events but the major event is the new years eve party. I think from the previews a good guess is mc and sage plan a school party for NYE to not break treaty with jocks

 

[Lagunavii]

The letters only reveal what is true. Even if it turns out that Magnar sent these letters for this reason, they do not change the truth.

Yeah they do reveal the truth, which is pretty much the stuff the DIKs have been getting up too, the sleeping with aerith, the scummy protein shake. The truth that the DIKs aren't some innocent bystander in this.

You keep talking about how the Alphas did this and the Alphas did that and while some of it was extreme and none of it really justified, to them it was all retaliation to the DIKs. The Alphas have reasons to hate the DIKs just as much as the DIKs have reasons to hate the Alphas.

But the common ground is this, they both like to and want to party with the Hots and there isn't enough HOTS to go around. And it's getting to Sage now. So it's either get along and both party with us or none of you party with us.

That possible ultimatum is enough to get both groups at the same party even begrudgingly because neither side wants the alternative

And remember what ever happens has to happen however the player plays, so we can't fall back on Sage does this because she's the MCs GF or the Jocks got impressed by MCs fighting so made up or the Preps loved his rendition of Canon in G at the Staff party so invited him to play here.

There needs to be a logical reason, whether you think it's right or not that events happen thay are consistent on all paths

 

[Blue Milk]

Yeah they do reveal the truth, which is pretty much the stuff the DIKs have been getting up too, the sleeping with aerith, the scummy protein shake. The truth that the DIKs aren't some innocent bystander in this.

You keep talking about how the Alphas did this and the Alphas did that and while some of it was extreme and none of it really justified, to them it was all retaliation to the DIKs. The Alphas have reasons to hate the DIKs just as much as the DIKs have reasons to hate the Alphas.

This does seem to be getting forgotten by them, yes, that the DIKs are equal parts responsible for the continuing animosity, especially when you consider it all started with Tommy banging Arieth and then bragging about it to Dawe. Tommy literally stirred up this hornet's nest and made enemies of the Jocks. That's not to say they wouldn't have probably ended up being rivals eventually, but Tommy did kind of start it and now neither group is willing to put a stop to it, only letting the grudges and division worsen. But that's exactly why a joint a party makes the most sense because you can tell Sage is frustrated by the tug-of-war and with the recent batch of letters things will be even more tense, so forcing them to set aside these differences and compromise on having a party together makes the most sense.

 

[Moni23]

If the player has chosen the Sage Branch or the Others Branch, then Sage can simply say that the MC will come with her. He's Sage's boyfriend, after all.

Why should the Other player go with Sage?

However, she won't be HOT's sister and probably won't be in college anymore

Why should Quinn leave college? What will happen if she doesn't leave?

 

[Lagunavii]

This does seem to be getting forgotten by them, yes, that the DIKs are equal parts responsible for the continuing animosity, especially when you consider it all started with Tommy banging Arieth and then bragging about it to Dawe. Tommy literally stirred up this hornet's nest and made enemies of the Jocks. That's not to say they wouldn't have probably ended up being rivals eventually, but Tommy did kind of start it and now neither group is willing to put a stop to it, only letting the grudges and division worsen. But that's exactly why a joint a party makes the most sense because you can tell Sage is frustrated by the tug-of-war and with the recent batch of letters things will be even more tense, so forcing them set aside these differences and compromise on a having a party together makes the most sense.

Yeah my thinking is the same and you touched upon it a bit at with your last reply, while Dali is obviously a very grudgeful person and can't see why the two groups would ever get along. The truth is they are both as bad as ach other with a couple of extreme members who hold grudges, and the rest who just want to get on and party.

The common thing is both have shown they don't want to party together and both have shown they want to party with the Hots. Both of those things can't happen going forwards and it won't be the partying with the Hots that gets dropped. It's amazing how quick principles get dropped when there's a few pretty girls at stake.

The thing is it's not just affecting the DIKs or the Alphas and it has spilled over into. The Hots, who prefer parting with the DIKs but have traditional history with the Jocks and it's getting to Sage as evident by the conversation while decorating last episode.

There's at most 5 episodes more and I'm not even sure how many of them will be devoted to closing the story rather than epilogues and endings, but there's not much time for these groups to come together and realise there's a bigger douche out there causing all this.

 

[Blue Milk]

Why should Quinn leave college? What will happen if she doesn't leave?

Why would she stay? She's not there for her education and has lost her reasons for being there which are selling drugs and having Riona by her side. There's no reason for her return to college.

Yeah my thinking is the same and you touched upon it a bit at with your last reply, while Dali is obviously a very grudgeful person and can't see why the two groups would ever get along. The truth is they are both as bad as ach other with a couple of extreme members who hold grudges, and the rest who just want to get on and party.

The common thing is both have shown they don't want to party together and both have shown they want to party with the Hots. Both of those things can't happen going forwards and it won't be the partying with the Hots that gets dropped. It's amazing how quick principles get dropped when there's a few pretty girls at stake.

The thing is it's not just affecting the DIKs or the Alphas and it has spilled over into. The Hots, who prefer parting with the DIKs but have traditional history with the Jocks and it's getting to Sage as evident by the conversation while decorating last episode.

There's at most 5 episodes more and I'm not even sure how many of them will be devoted to closing the story rather than epilogues and endings, but there's not much time for these groups to come together and realise there's a bigger douche out there causing all this.

The other thing to consider is that we may not get parties like what S3 has had going forward. DPC has already said that S4 will be a bit different to the previous seasons and the party planner feels a bit like the mansion repair minigame in that it's something that will be uniquely for each season. If there are parties in S4 they may just happen automatically without our input anymore or the story after Ep 12 moves to a point where we just kind of gloss over them or we only get to be part of them a little bit because the dramas of the story are such that we have no time for this anymore as a full minigame and freeroam.

So if this is to be the last party like this where the player plans it and it's a big freeroam with loads of events, then having it be one big party with as many characters as possible, including the Jocks, makes even more sense.

 

[dalli_x]

Yeah they do reveal the truth, which is pretty much the stuff the DIKs have been getting up too, the sleeping with aerith, the scummy protein shake. The truth that the DIKs aren't some innocent bystander in this.

You keep talking about how the Alphas did this and the Alphas did that and while some of it was extreme and none of it really justified, to them it was all retaliation to the DIKs. The Alphas have reasons to hate the DIKs just as much as the DIKs have reasons to hate the Alphas.

But the common ground is this, they both like to and want to party with the Hots and there isn't enough HOTS to go around. And it's getting to Sage now. So it's either get along and both party with us or none of you party with us.

That possible ultimatum is enough to get both groups at the same party even begrudgingly because neither side wants the alternative

And remember what ever happens has to happen however the player plays, so we can't fall back on Sage does this because she's the MCs GF or the Jocks got impressed by MCs fighting so made up or the Preps loved his rendition of Canon in G at the Staff party so invited him to play here.

There needs to be a logical reason, whether you think it's right or not that events happen thay are consistent on all paths

What they have in common is that they like to party with girls, and that's exactly what differentiates DIKs and ALPHAs. The girls on campus like to party with the DIKs, and the ALPHAs have to attract the HOTs (hot girls), otherwise they wouldn't have any guests. The DIKs don't have this problem.

You're right, it depends on the player's choices. That's why I think there could be two parties. Sage RSVP'd to the ALPHA party and can't back out now. The MC is only at that party if he's Sage's boyfriend. That's a player choice. Otherwise, Sage is at the ALPHA party alone with Sarah, Melanie, and Arieth because she has to fulfill her duties as president.

You always show up with 87 people, and there are only 6 in the main room. Then you bring up the other rooms as an argument against it. Guys, it's a gym. There are changing rooms and showers. Yes, the other 81 people are all there. What amazing party rooms! DPC really put a lot of effort into these environments.

I think a hotel is better suited for integrating different areas into the game. There's bound to be a bar, a spa, restaurants, maybe a small cinema, and definitely several hotel rooms. But that's nothing compared to a small changing room in a gym.

 

[Darkwen]

Why should the Other player go with Sage?

Why should Quinn leave college? What will happen if she doesn't leave?

i used to be on the side Quinn would leave, she might still consider it or have a back up plan but now I think she stays. I don't think both Buddy and Vinny are getting arrested one is going to escape I assume Vinny and he'll figure out what happen. Quinn would have to know if she left Vinny or buddy would take it out on Rio and the others so she says. Sage will want to kick out Quinn of the hots but i'm guessing Sage will Quinn stay if she steps down as VP

 

[Lagunavii]

Why would she stay? She's not there for her education and has lost her reasons for being there which are selling drugs and having Riona by her side. There's no reason for her return to college.


The other thing to consider is that we may not get parties like what S3 has had going forward. DPC has already said that S4 will be a bit different to the previous seasons and the party planner feels a bit like the mansion repair minigame in that it's something that will be uniquely for each season. If there are parties in S4 they may just happen automatically without our input anymore or the story after Ep 12 moves to a point where we just kind of gloss over them or we only get to be part of them a little bit because the dramas of the story are such that we have no time for this anymore as a full minigame and freeroam.

So if this is to be the last party like this where the player plans it and it's a big freeroam with loads of events, then having it be one big party with as many characters as possible, including the Jocks, makes even more sense.

Ive said this for a bit actually mainly when people were getting all excited about a possible spring break party and while yes we might get there, I don't think we will.

Regardless I don't think season 4 will have the party planning game at all, I'd be surprised if it has any minigames or even freeroams given what DPC has said.

But as I've said before we are going into or prepping for the endgame now, piecez need to be moved and set and I don't see a better way to do that than a massive party that involves everyone.

 

[Moni23]

Why would she stay? She's not there for her education and has lost her reasons for being there which are selling drugs and having Riona by her side. There's no reason for her return to college.

Get an education and live a normal life? Maybe I don't understand something because I haven't played her route, but I think she blames herself for what happened to Riona and doesn't want to go back to criminal activities. What will she do if she leaves college?
Also, don't forget about her relationship with the MC. Quinn should understand that it will be difficult to maintain it if she leaves.

 

[Blue Milk]

You always show up with 87 people, and there are only 6 in the main room. Then you bring up the other rooms as an argument against it. Guys, it's a gym. There are changing rooms and showers. Yes, the other 81 people are all there. What amazing party rooms! DPC really put a lot of effort into these environments.

I think a hotel room is better suited for integrating different areas into the game. There's bound to be a bar, a spa, restaurants, maybe a small cinema, and definitely several hotel rooms. But that's nothing compared to a small changing room in a gym.

You've obviously never heard of community centers since these are places that can and do have sports facilities as well as meeting/function rooms for events. This is therefore a very likely place for them to be, and yes, it would be more than capable of taking 87 people.

Get an education and live a normal life? Maybe I don't understand something because I haven't played her route, but I think she blames herself for what happened to Riona and doesn't want to go back to criminal activities. What will she do if she leaves college?
Also, don't forget about her relationship with the MC. Quinn should understand that it will be difficult to maintain it if she leaves.

She was never there for her education though, college was "a means to an end" and that end was to sell drugs through it and make money for whatever reasons she needed it. She and Rio got in as Rejects, and just barely according to her, and she reprimanded Rio once for thinking she could just buckle down and study because she doesn't consider that their reason for being there. She even spoke about dropping out soon in Ep 10 and seeing no value in staying longer than necessary.

So she'll probably hunker down somewhere until the heat's off, maybe squat somewhere or go back to her foster home and she'll still be able to see the MC by letting him know where she is. If the MC can maintain a relationship with the likes of Nicole who he sees very little of because she's not on campus then it's possible with Quinn too. She'll just be on the sidelines just now until the story needs her to come back to deal with her shit.

 

[dalli_x]

You've obviously never heard of community centers since these are places that can and do have sports facilities as well as meeting/function rooms for events. This is therefore a very likely place for them to be, and yes, it would be more than capable of taking 87 people.


She was never there for her education though, college was "a means to an end" and that end was to sell drugs through it and make money for whatever reasons she needed it. She and Rio got in as Rejects, and just barely according to her, and she reprimanded Rio once for thinking she could just buckle down and study because she doesn't consider that their reason for being there. She even spoke about dropping out soon in Ep 10 and seeing no value in staying longer than necessary.

So she'll probably hunker down somewhere until the heat's off, maybe squat somewhere or go back to her foster home and she'll still be able to see the MC by letting him know where she is. If the MC can maintain a relationship with the likes of Nicole who he sees very little of because she's not on campus then it's possible with Quinn too. She'll just be on the sidelines just now until the story needs her to come back to deal with her shit.

And yet another argument that completely misses the mark. Dude, get it through your head already. What we see in the trailer is the main party room, packed with six people. What an awesome party that is!

 

[qwertyqwe23123]

Hey,

Thought I'd include my voice in the conversation. Since this is basically an argument of "how we get to X number of people in the same party" I want to add my own theory in the mix:

TLDR: I think DiKs and HoTs will throw a campus wide party, and the Alphas are not invited.

Let me explain: In the last episode, we see Magnar throwing more gasoline in the fire by sending new letters to the Alphas. I find it personally hard to believe that the new conflict could be resolved in 1 episode. Secondly, Caleb makes the point that Chad is hiding something, which is true.

What do I think will happen? At some point in the episode, Caleb will expose Chads secret and he will be kicked out of the Alphas. This will send shockwaves around campus and as a result, Sage, who has kept Chads secret will be furious and sever all ties with the Alphas. (Or this is the point where Sage finds out and after a bit of soul searching will come to the same conclusion.)
Then as a show of solidarity the DiKs and HoTs will plan a massive party with everyone except the Alphas. This would explain why we see Chad, MC, Sarah, Mel and Arieth in the same room together (but no other Alphas).

And you can still get to the required number of participants, as long as you include some unnamed characters. I just think this would make more sense than everyone resolving their differences, since we still have 1 more season to go.

Happy to entertain other viewpoints, of course!

 

[Darkwen]

And yet another argument that completely misses the mark. Dude, get it through your head already. What we see in the trailer is the main party room, packed with six people. What an awesome party that is!

well if include the Sage and Maya renders there 8 people now that a jumping party

 

[Blue Milk]

And yet another argument that completely misses the mark. Dude, get it through your head already. What we see in the trailer is the main party room, packed with six people. What an awesome party that is!

You need to get it through your head that one angle isn't the sum of the whole room and that there are, as DPC said, multiple environments.

You seem to lack the basic logic to undertand these very simple concepts and until you do then you won't be convinced of your wrongness.

 

[klas182]

Hey,

Thought I'd include my voice in the conversation. Since this is basically an argument of "how we get to X number of people in the same party" I want to add my own theory in the mix:

TLDR: I think DiKs and HoTs will throw a campus wide party, and the Alphas are not invited.

Let me explain: In the last episode, we see Magnar throwing more gasoline in the fire by sending new letters to the Alphas. I find it personally hard to believe that the new conflict could be resolved in 1 episode. Secondly, Caleb makes the point that Chad is hiding something, which is true.

What do I think will happen? At some point in the episode, Caleb will expose Chads secret and he will be kicked out of the Alphas. This will send shockwaves around campus and as a result, Sage, who has kept Chads secret will be furious and sever all ties with the Alphas. (Or this is the point where Sage finds out and after a bit of soul searching will come to the same conclusion.)
Then as a show of solidarity the DiKs and HoTs will plan a massive party with everyone except the Alphas. This would explain why we see Chad, MC, Sarah, Mel and Arieth in the same room together (but no other Alphas).

And you can still get to the required number of participants, as long as you include some unnamed characters. I just think this would make more sense than everyone resolving their differences, since we still have 1 more season to go.

Happy to entertain other viewpoints, of course!

I rather think that DIKs, considering the previous events, will eventually be forced to accept the party even with the Alphas' invitation. After all, they bypassed them at the Christmas party and had the party with the HOTs earlier, so they won't have much choice and now DIKs will be forced to compromise if they don't want to have another war between the fraternities on their shoulders.

 

[Blue Milk]

TLDR: I think DiKs and HoTs will throw a campus wide party, and the Alphas are not invited.

That would literally make the situation worse and is not a good idea at all. It just further antagonises the Jocks which is not a good move here.

Then as a show of solidarity the DiKs and HoTs will plan a massive party with everyone except the Alphas. This would explain why we see Chad, MC, Sarah, Mel and Arieth in the same room together (but no other Alphas).

Right now it appears that the DIKs are antagonising the Jocks by sending them pictures of them doing things to them and with people they're in relationships with. We also had the campus pictures showing off their immature deeds and the DIK Christmas party literally was a middle finger to the Jocks by getting around the new arrangement. Of course we know it's not the DIKs sending the pictures, but with all of this combined, "standing in solidarity" with the DIKs at this point doesn't exactly make those doing so look good in a public perception sense and again would just further insense and antagonise the Jocks needlessly.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But shall we talk a little about sexually transmitted diseases? Just to lighten the mood a little.

 

[qwertyqwe23123]

I rather think that DIKs, considering the previous events, will eventually be forced to accept the party even with the Alphas' invitation. After all, they bypassed them at the Christmas party and had the party with the HOTs earlier, so they won't have much choice and now DIKs will be forced to compromise if they don't want to have another war between the fraternities on their shoulders.

I actually think the opposite, for the exact same reasons. Past events have shown that Sage cannot, nor does she want to, forbid HoTs from attending parties with the DiKs even if they "undermine" Alphas parties. Also the only reason Caleb was able to destroy the DiKs mansion was because he wasn't an Alpha yet, so they exploited a loophole. That loophole is now gone since Caleb is officially an Alpha, and the ultimatum from the administration hasn't gone anywhere.

 

[Darkwen]

But shall we talk a little about sexually transmitted diseases? Just to lighten the mood a little.

I won't ask but hope it was hell of a ride