VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Ilhares]

1. Fighting Troy - Possibly known if Troy said anything to anyone, but being a typical guy, he probably didn't tell
2. Getting Quinn's number for her menu service - Unknown
3. Being nice to Steve - Unknown
4. Fighting the Jocks - Possibly known if the Jocks say anything, but much like Troy, they probably wouldn't want people to know that this upstart freshman went toe-to-toe with them
5. Partying at the Pink Rose - Unknown because the DIKs going to the Pink Rose isn't meant to be known outside of the DIKs
6. Accepting Jade's advances - Unknown
7. Smoking weed - Partially known, but unlikely to really be that big of a deal on a college campus
8. Fighting Caleb - Likely to become known
9. Punching Tybalt - Very likely to become known

#1 is absolutely known - because it comes up when you see him in the cafeteria later. I think Bella was there for that one, and we know #9 is. If he's willing to cry about you to Jill, somebody he's avidly trying to impress, he wouldn't likely admit to getting his ass handed to him. But it's You (the MC), his main rival, so yeah, that story is going to spread, and he uses it with Jill to try and demean you. He finally gets to play the victim card for sympathy.

What a hell is your problem?
This is just a game! A hell of a nice game! It is just for fun! All We know that is not real! The choices is not real? Ok. The girls reacting is not real? No problem. Is this just a game! I've never seen any of descrisptions of a simulator!

Thank you for the laugh. I immediately thought of this clip:

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[lemonfreak]

See that's where i disagree. If the scheme was profitable, suddenly needing to expand/sell bad merchandise doesn't make a lot of sense. If suddenly there's a new factor why she has to rob peter to pay paul that makes a lot more sense. Looking forward to learn exactly what's going on in future episodes and hopefully come to her aid.

Isn't it that the free tuition rumour happened and they suddenly got more pledges that they normally would. The free tuition was being covered by the prostitution but now there are new pledges who don't even know about that yet but still want to try and claim the benefit.

Suddenly finding the costs increasing in one area has forced Quinn to expand elsewhere and the area she's been forced to expand is the one where she has less control. As far as I can remember, Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

 

[Mormont]

Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

That's what it's all about for Quinn the Hot's means everything to her and we know she will go to any length just to see it succeed I think that's her main driving force.

 

[Kz87]

So for M&J, if you do all the positive things with them, they should see the MC in a positive light because he has been nothing but good to them. They have no reason, in this scenario, to see him as having a personality they don't like and for it to be why they reject him.

From Godfather Michael Corleone loved his family. Nevertheless, his wife left him knowing that Michael loved her and would do anything for her, and she appreciated it, but could not accept his other criminal side. A little harsh example, but I hope you know what mean.

 

[Kodek]

From Godfather Michael Corleone

That escalated quickly.

 

[Kodek]

That's what it's all about for Quinn the Hot's means everything to her and we know she will go to any length just to see it succeed I think that's her main driving force.

Yeah. Now that she needs to expand the drug business because of the free tuition rumor and all the new pledges and i can see it, she will probably end neck deep into somekind of an awfully bad deal with the people she buys drugs from, which will eventually endangers her and everyone around her

 

[Holy Bacchus]

From Godfather Michael Corleone loved his family. Nevertheless, his wife left him knowing that Michael loved her and would do anything for her, and she appreciated it, but could not accept his other criminal side. A little harsh example, but I hope you know what mean.

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

 

[Real Kreten]

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

Affinity is a game mechanic that works exactly as it should.
On the one hand, it is intended to prevent slalom between blue and red flags, or other acrobatics.
On the other hand, it should lead to a game where we do not use a walktrhoug to gain small points.
The main decision is governed by the affinity and it is easy to map. There are only a few major decisions.
We were informed (room number 66) that these decisions would affect the game and we chose.
You will not get DIK affinity with one choice, but with a constant choice of "red" colors. No wonder then that everything is red and not blue.

 

[Lusikun]

Did anyone fuck jill in this update

 

[ExpBar]

Daddy, here I come. xD

 

[ename144]

But then you are assuming this is all happening off-screen that she is using more drugs than she should be but we've seen no sign of her doing that apart from those times we've seen her doing it. For a plot that big you'd think we'd have at least seen more of this drug use from her.

Quinn freeloading on her own drugs is admittedly very speculative. I agree we haven't seen her using them very often. Then again, how often have we seen Riona or Tommy using them? The only time we saw Riona using them alone I can think of off the top of my head is when she meets the MC on the deck in Episode 5. There's a lot of implied drug use, but it's short on details.

I think the case for Quinn lying to Tommy is a lot stronger, though. We saw Quinn talking to Riona about the shortfall ourselves. Not only does she never mention Riona's freeloading (much less promise to keep it a secret), Riona herself asks how they could be short. Unless Riona is actually delusional, why would she ask that question when they both know the answer and won't talk about it?

So for me, the question isn't *if* Quinn was lying to Tommy but *why* she was lying. Quinn using too many drugs herself is the simplest explanation IMHO.

The alternatives I can think of require a lot more assumptions. From most to least plausible: Melanie and Sarah are taking the money for their own purposes; Quinn has an extra-secret agenda she is using the money for; Quinn is even worse at math than Dawe; a third party is stealing the money somehow. Those are possible, but I would be more surprised by those than Quinn freeloading.

 

[Mormont]

Yeah. Now that she needs to expand the drug business because of the free tuition rumor and all the new pledges and i can see it, she will probably end neck deep into somekind of an awfully bad deal with the people she buys drugs from, which will eventually endangers her and everyone around her

I guess it will all come down on who the dealer is if Quinn can't pay perhaps she will use other methods the menu for example and send one of the girls to help her pay off the debt just an idea of course but then again if she is to get away with that then she could always use that excuse and withhold any money she has brought in.

 

[lemonfreak]

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

I find your assesment of Maya and Josy to be quite insulting, you appear to me implying that they have no life outside of their interactions with the MC (they don't because they're fictional characters in a porn game but, since Deadpool is nowhere to be seen, the 4th wall is being respected). His interactions with others on what looks like a small college campus will get back to them and they are allowed to make their own judgements based on that knowledge.

What I will grant you is that there is a certain amount of hand-waiving when it comes exactly how and when they would learn these things but your comments, as I read them, go far deeper than that; you appear to believe it is impossible for them to ever get this information, not that the method of transmission is a little fuzzy.

 

[mindern]

Isn't it that the free tuition rumour happened and they suddenly got more pledges that they normally would. The free tuition was being covered by the prostitution but now there are new pledges who don't even know about that yet but still want to try and claim the benefit.

Suddenly finding the costs increasing in one area has forced Quinn to expand elsewhere and the area she's been forced to expand is the one where she has less control. As far as I can remember, Quinn hasn't actually expressed a desire to get rich off her schemes so as far as we know it could all be a genuine effort to make the HOTs sorority a success for years to come.

How do American (or arguably Canadian) tuition fees get paid? Start of the semester? Per year? Can you turn up without having paid?

If Quinn has already paid for Sarah/Mel/Riona/Camilla and maybe even Mona’s tuition but Camilla and Mona aren’t pulling in the cash like she thought they would (Camilla only works gloryholes and Mona walked out on Burke) Quinn might start trying to scale this to cover costs.

It costs the same to fund each girl but there’s no guarantee each girl brings in the same. She might be subsiding girls with the work of others and she can’t just take back tuition fees she’s paid.

She might be bringing in girls on their speculative capacity to make money. She’s scaling it as a gamble to find more girls like Sarah/Mel who turn profits. There doesn’t have to be some grand secret expense like extortion just shitty business practises.

 

[lemonfreak]

How do American (or arguably Canadian) tuition fees get paid? Start of the semester? Per year? Can you turn up without having paid?

If Quinn has already paid for Sarah/Mel/Riona/Camilla and maybe even Mona’s tuition but Camilla and Mona aren’t pulling in the cash like she thought they would (Camilla only works gloryholes and Mona walked out on Burke) Quinn might start trying to scale this to cover costs.

It costs the same to fund each girl but there’s no guarantee each girl brings in the same. She might be subsiding girls with the work of others and she can’t just take back tuition fees she’s paid.

She might be bringing in girls on their speculative capacity to make money. She’s scaling it as a gamble to find more girls like Sarah/Mel who turn profits. There doesn’t have to be some grand secret expense like extortion just shitty business practises.

Using my amazing google-fu I learned that in american colleges you pay in advance of each semester or pay the full year at once but either way, it's cash up front. That would create a cash-flow problem if several new pledges are coming in believeing free tuition is available without the knowledge that it is paid for in kind.

 

[ename144]

Affinity is a game mechanic that works exactly as it should.
On the one hand, it is intended to prevent slalom between blue and red flags, or other acrobatics.
On the other hand, it should lead to a game where we do not use a walktrhoug to gain small points.
The main decision is governed by the affinity and it is easy to map. There are only a few major decisions.
We were informed (room number 66) that these decisions would affect the game and we chose.
You will not get DIK affinity with one choice, but with a constant choice of "red" colors. No wonder then that everything is red and not blue.

Yes, it works fine as an abstract game mechanic (though it remains to be seen just how well it scales).

But it's purely a game mechanic. It breaks down as soon as you start to wonder why some choices are "Major Choices" and others aren't.

Why is fooling around with Jade so much more significant than making a move on Bella in the library? Both are deliberately hitting on married teachers in a public place. One is a Major Choice. The other is an automatic action that has no effect on the affinity system whatsoever.

 

[mindern]

Using my amazing google-fu I learned that in american colleges you pay in advance of each semester or pay the full year at once but either way, it's cash up front. That would create a cash-flow problem if several new pledges are coming in believeing free tuition is available without the knowledge that it is paid for in kind.

or backing out after they learn what it fully involves. If she tries to escalate what they’re doing.

She gambles with every girl. Huge upfront costs and hopes they are like Mel/Sarah and turn a profit.

If they don’t she’s up shit creek. She can’t take back the cash, she can’t legally force the money out of anyone (what’s she gonna do? Sue Camila for being a bad prostitute?). She could obviously refuse to pay their next tuition fee but she can’t kick them out and risk backlash and exposure of the scheme so her only option really is to double down and hope her next gamble pays enough to clear itself and her last gamble.

 

[Kz87]

Except that Michael Corleone displayed a side to her that she didn't like; his vicious, criminal side. To M&J, the MC hadn't displayed a side they didn't like. The only thing that could have made them see him differently was him storming out, but that was not only unavoidable and had nothing to do with affinity, but it was also understandable given the situation. Also, the idea that his affinity/personality affected the decision is undercut by the confessions in ep 5.

The affinity and status systems are working against each other here, and it's creating an inconsistency issue with not just the MC but also the characters around him.

Episode 5 showed that they have a feelings based on how he treat them. But, they could not accept him into triangle relationship, which requires much more serious commitment. Maybe, Quinn's services not much a secret, we do not know what HOTs gossip behind the scenes. Partying in strip club could also be leaked through Johnny boy and Elena's relationship. Being high tempered guy who can not avoid violence also does not add up good points to how he is perceived in M&J's eyes. They would still like him very much, but for a serious relationship it needs something more.

All things above are my speculations, just trying to find DPC's logic in it.

 

[lemonfreak]

Yes, it works fine as an abstract game mechanic (though it remains to be seen just how well it scales).

But it's purely a game mechanic. It breaks down as soon as you start to wonder why some choices are "Major Choices" and others aren't.

Why is fooling around with Jade so much more significant than making a move on Bella in the library? Both are deliberately hitting on married teachers in a public place. One is a Major Choice. The other is an automatic action that has no effect on the affinity system whatsoever.

One is ballsy and potentially very stupid attempt to hit on a woman who is not only your teacher but also married to a powerful man who has the ability to create real problems for you. The other is an attempt to hit a clearly lonely woman who, when you do it, has not revealed that they are a teacher at the college.

 

[B-52reloaded]

Whilst staying with Dage after the May/Josy shit I discovered a key in one of the rooms at the HOT´s mansion (where Heather was lying at the couch). Anyone know what´s the significance of this key and which door does it open??