VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

let's assume that Sage has a flu and not malaria, she's in an American college and not in a mud hut, she's in a house full of people and not left to her own devices.

premise this: surely between the two options it is more correct, more morally right to go to Sage, even if you are "in relationship" with Jill.

but the game clearly tells us something else, that it's much more important for MC to hear what kind of trouble Jill has got herself into for MC's sake than playing nurse

That is one of the things that is really starting to irk me. You can't follow any pre-established character logic to obtain a sought after positive result. Ex. Up until the Jill/Sage dilemma, we have been taught that Jill values people who show concern for others in need. What exemplifies that more than babysitting a sick friend? That decision to help a sick friend should have been an insta RP boost with Jill....but nope, DPC says minus two points for you fucko. That minus would be more understandable if Sage wasn't sick and MC blew off Jill to go have some of that gushing, freckled carrot juice.

A second example (one that maddens me even more) was that my canon massive DIK MC who was cool with being FB, does an about face and walks out of the room when Sage is ready for action. Did I suddenly forget I'm a manwhore? And what is this shit with Sage turning from Sith to Jedi? You ain't Darth Vader. All of a sudden she is more CHICK than Jill with her over-effusive concern for Maya (whom she didn't care about two minutes earlier). Evil players only had one DIK-centric main LI (Sage) and now that is apparently over. DPC might as well do the deed and finally promote Quinn to main girl status so at least we can have something evil in this world.

 

[RukiRG]

I was catching up on the Britney Spears vs. her dad news/drama and it got me thinking: What if Patrick is also Maya's conservator? Would it save the whole terrible co-signee situation?

Britney Spears is blonde... Maya too...
OMG... DPC predicts the future!!!

 

[EreKuri]

Britney Spears is blonde... Maya too...
OMG... DPC predicts the future!!!

Cool so Maya is getting trafficked too. Great.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Britney Spears is blonde... Maya too...
OMG... DPC predicts the future!!!

 

[Warscared]

Well, I doubt that. But at least, that is a nice but terrifying comparison. We have actual real life example of a control freak father. Maya situation, is now less of a bad writing after all.

considering how she behaved for over a decade, she was irresponsible beyond believe and the court did the right thing or else she would have become a new Amy whinehouse... well if her music was any good at least!

do remember the kind of dudes she used to hang out with, her drug use, her shaving her head and so forth and so forth along as she had money she would go down the crazy train!

remember Cybil Shepard that got hooked on crack and was doing blowjobs in a train station or gas station or something! a known actress that made hundreds of thousands a month in the 80´s was sucking strangers dicks for a new fix!

thats just two of the worst examples that i can recall so maybe people need to start believing that on his own twisted way the father is just looking out for her because he loves her!

But now that she is over 40 maybe she as got some maturity into her finally!

 

[Cskin Games]

While waiting for the next part to come out...

Can anyone think of any games just like this one? I've seen fans praise it as great writing, I've seen others detract it as some of the worst around, but either way I enjoy the writing, and the style(Both writing and visuals), and I'm trying to find similar games in the meantime. I've given a bunch a try, some were decent, some sucked, some i deleted after 5 minutes. (For reference, the ones I didn't give up on entirely and delete were leap of faith, intertwined, aoa academy, university of problems, deluca family, mad world, and of course AL. The ones i did delete, I just don't even remember anymore).

I could ask elsewhere, but I figured fans of this game would have a better pulse on similar type stuff I could kill time with until ep8 is out.

 

[AchedCroissant]

While waiting for the next part to come out...

Can anyone think of any games just like this one? I've seen fans praise it as great writing, I've seen others detract it as some of the worst around, but either way I enjoy the writing, and the style(Both writing and visuals), and I'm trying to find similar games in the meantime. I've given a bunch a try, some were decent, some sucked, some i deleted after 5 minutes. (For reference, the ones I didn't give up on entirely and delete were leap of faith, intertwined, aoa academy, university of problems, deluca family, mad world, and of course AL. The ones i did delete, I just don't even remember anymore).

I could ask elsewhere, but I figured fans of this game would have a better pulse on similar type stuff I could kill time with until ep8 is out.

City of Broken Dreamers

 

[ChipLecsap]

That is one of the things that is really starting to irk me. You can't follow any pre-established character logic to obtain a sought after positive result. Ex. Up until the Jill/Sage dilemma, we have been taught that Jill values people who show concern for others in need. What exemplifies that more than babysitting a sick friend? That decision to help a sick friend should have been an insta RP boost with Jill....but nope, DPC says minus two points for you fucko. That minus would be more understandable if Sage wasn't sick and MC blew off Jill to go have some of that gushing, freckled carrot juice.

I mentioned long time ago, but Jill problem is , and it may sound as simply as humanly selfish as it. but, her problem is simply that the sick friend is a Girl . surely you would not lose a point with her if it was MC father, Brother , or an another Male. But it is an another Bitch , its not the end of the word, but surely you can understood she feel a little disapointment.

as for the second part, I don't really understand, there was never a so called " Evil" path. The problem right there is MC behaviour, who even if you pick Jill suddenly wants something more with Sage.

Sage is perfectly in her character, She wants to Fuck right there. and to be honest, She will say whatever MC want to hear, at the Hot party, in order to get the dick She need..

and if I also honest she was never exclusive to Dik or Chick path.

after ep 7. I think we can Say that so far there is only to girl who is more in line with a Chick specific character, and those are Maya and Bella, both understandable.
the rest is still up in the air so to speak. Even Jill, Neutral was enough for this episode, and once they are hooked, who know if the affinity will matter with her and josy and sage at all..
May be Jill will fit more to a Chick character , just like Maya and Bella, or may be her character growth will change this. It would be an Interesting twist if Jill slowly get corrupted bye bye cute innocent , Hello Rich Sluty Bitch

 

[ChipLecsap]

considering how she behaved for over a decade, she was irresponsible beyond believe and the court did the right thing or else she would have become a new Amy whinehouse... well if her music was any good at least!

do remember the kind of dudes she used to hang out with, her drug use, her shaving her head and so forth and so forth along as she had money she would go down the crazy train!

remember Cybil Shepard that got hooked on crack and was doing blowjobs in a train station or gas station or something! a known actress that made hundreds of thousands a month in the 80´s was sucking strangers dicks for a new fix!

thats just two of the worst examples that i can recall so maybe people need to start believing that on his own twisted way the father is just looking out for her because he loves her!

But now that she is over 40 maybe she as got some maturity into her finally!

Regardless of her life style , you just not try to justify that what is happening, or happened to her is acceptable , right ?
She is a free human, and free to fuck up her life whatever the way she want or not.

 

[shazba]

That is one of the things that is really starting to irk me. You can't follow any pre-established character logic to obtain a sought after positive result. Ex. Up until the Jill/Sage dilemma, we have been taught that Jill values people who show concern for others in need. What exemplifies that more than babysitting a sick friend? That decision to help a sick friend should have been an insta RP boost with Jill....but nope, DPC says minus two points for you fucko. That minus would be more understandable if Sage wasn't sick and MC blew off Jill to go have some of that gushing, freckled carrot juice.

A second example (one that maddens me even more) was that my canon massive DIK MC who was cool with being FB, does an about face and walks out of the room when Sage is ready for action. Did I suddenly forget I'm a manwhore? And what is this shit with Sage turning from Sith to Jedi? You ain't Darth Vader. All of a sudden she is more CHICK than Jill with her over-effusive concern for Maya (whom she didn't care about two minutes earlier). Evil players only had one DIK-centric main LI (Sage) and now that is apparently over. DPC might as well do the deed and finally promote Quinn to main girl status so at least we can have something evil in this world.

I mentioned long time ago, but Jill problem is , and it may sound as simply as humanly selfish as it. but, her problem is simply that the sick friend is a Girl . surely you would not lose a point with her if it was MC father, Brother , or an another Male. But it is an another Bitch , its not the end of the word, but surely you can understood she feel a little disapointment.

as for the second part, I don't really understand, there was never a so called " Evil" path. The problem right there is MC behaviour, who even if you pick Jill suddenly wants something more with Sage.

Sage is perfectly in her character, She wants to Fuck right there. and to be honest, She will say whatever MC want to hear, at the Hot party, in order to get the dick She need..

and if I also honest she was never exclusive to Dik or Chick path.

after ep 7. I think we can Say that so far there is only to girl who is more in line with a Chick specific character, and those are Maya and Bella, both understandable.
the rest is still up in the air so to speak. Even Jill, Neutral was enough for this episode, and once they are hooked, who know if the affinity will matter with her and josy and sage at all..
May be Jill will fit more to a Chick character , just like Maya and Bella, or may be her character growth will change this. It would be an Interesting twist if Jill slowly get corrupted bye bye cute innocent , Hello Rich Sluty Bitch

The worst thing about not choosing Jill at the Jill and Sage fork is not necessarily the -2 RP, 'cause that doesn't really have much of a impact, but literally if you don't go on the picnic, the Jill solo satisfaction scene doesn't occur, and Jill is left thinking that something is off in the relationship, all because the mc didn't drop his existing plans to be with a sick friend when Jill shows up unannounced.

That said, up until episode 7 Jill's tried to be open minded and understanding (accepting that he would be dating other girls and she theoretically acknowledged jealousy would exist), but it seems she's never felt like this with any other guy, and the feelings of jealousy that well up in her after the Tybalt presentation (if the girls recognized the mc's cock) are an overriding factor.

So even if all logic tells us that Jill's personality would accept that helping a sick friend is the right thing to do, jealousy (as Chip has pointed out) tells her that Sage can go choke on her own vomit!

Regarding Sage, I don't think she has done too much of an about-face. It's not like she didn't give a shit about Maya, she just didn't realize what was happening with Quinn, but as president, losing three HOTs all at once is a bit of a shock and she's looking into it.

Regarding the MC bailing on Sage when she wants to fuck him after training, yeah, definitely hated that reaction... Doesn't mind being a side bitch but draws the line at being the rebound guy!? Anyway, he marathon fucked her all over the HOTs house, so all's well that ends well.

 

[ChipLecsap]

The worst thing about not choosing Jill at the Jill and Sage fork is not necessarily the -2 RP, 'cause that doesn't really have much of a impact, but literally if you don't go on the picnic, the Jill solo satisfaction scene doesn't occur, and Jill is left thinking that something is off in the relationship, all because the mc didn't drop his existing plans to be with a sick friend when Jill shows up unannounced.

That said, up until episode 7 Jill's tried to be open minded and understanding (accepting that he would be dating other girls and she theoretically acknowledged jealousy would exist), but it seems she's never felt like this with any other guy, and the feelings of jealousy that well up in her after the Tybalt presentation (if the girls recognized the mc's cock) are an overriding factor.

So even if all logic tells us that Jill's personality would accept that helping a sick friend is the right thing to do, jealousy (as Chip has pointed out) tells her that Sage can go choke on her own vomit!

Regarding Sage, I don't think she has done too much of an about-face. It's not like she didn't give a shit about Maya, she just didn't realize what was happening with Quinn, but as president, losing three HOTs all at once is a bit of a shock and she's looking into it.

Regarding the MC bailing on Sage when she wants to fuck him after training, yeah, definitely hated that reaction... Doesn't mind being a side bitch but draws the line at being the rebound guy!? Anyway, he marathon fucked her all over the HOTs house, so all's well that ends well.

Very well said..and this is much more than just minus 2 relationship, and Jill should behave in this or that way. Once again as so often in this game, Context matters. This Picnic is more important for Jill than MC. Because this is all happening right after Tybalt's shenanigans. let's drop why Jill believes him, and all the other part, this is all of the effect of her inexperience of real life. Regardless, Tybalt painting a narrative about MC that confuse Jill, and she begin to doubt not only MC but herself, as we see when she practice the piano song.

so this Birthday picnic, is kind of reinforcing Jill about her feelings and her decisions. " Tybalt is wrong about Him, I know it" . or something like this. But if you Reject her, You don't have this emotional adventure with Jill, and because she will not have this, she will be different with the MC, as we can see in ep 7. She run into MC, on the hallway and kind of distant with him, more cold, and kind of making up her mind about that MC is guilty.

Whereas with Sage, She simply does not need this emotional confirmation about MC. That is why it does not have effect if you visit her or not. She already made her mind about the MC, even pointing out to Bella that MC is a good guy, to Bella's surprise.

so all in all, where it might be a moral decision to you, visiting a sick friend, and you might expect Jill to be fine with it, in reality to Jill it's much more than just a canceled picnic.

 

[Lightaces]

There are some oddities in EP7.

The cum face pictures of Maya and Sage are the same, and also match the cum face picture of Josy from EP5.

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[jlachman]

It's funny, this is the only game (mainstream or not) that the minute I finished it (that was up to episode 5 at the time), I went back and immediately started replaying it from a different angle.

I feel the writing is the perfect balance between too wordy (exposition style), and too terse (blunt and emotionless). The characters speak in their own unique styles and you never feel you're just reading lines from the one writer.

Also (depending on your opinion of the DnG games which I personally like), I feel none of the scenes overstay their welcome. First time through I never broke from immersion, and never considered speeding through the dialogue.

Definitely a gem.

For something to focus on after you've finished ep7, here's a link to a table that another dude started that details all the loose ends worth discussing.

https://f95zone.to/threads/being-a-dik-v0-7-2-dr-pinkcake.25332/post-5732606

Completely agreed. Also, thanks for the thread link. I've pondered quite a few of those questons via playthrough and often come to the same conclusion the game arrived at. A few surprises here and there as well, and lots of unanswered questions. It's always a lot of fun.

 

[jlachman]

Welcome to the world of DAZ assets.

I dunno. I appreciate the MCs cum-sistency (yeah, bad pun, so sue me)

 

[Kukipett]

Very well said..and this is much more than just minus 2 relationship, and Jill should behave in this or that way. Once again as so often in this game, Context matters. This Picnic is more important for Jill than MC. Because this is all happening right after Tybalt's shenanigans. let's drop why Jill believes him, and all the other part, this is all of the effect of her inexperience of real life. Regardless, Tybalt painting a narrative about MC that confuse Jill, and she begin to doubt not only MC but herself, as we see when she practice the piano song.

so this Birthday picnic, is kind of reinforcing Jill about her feelings and her decisions. " Tybalt is wrong about Him, I know it" . or something like this. But if you Reject her, You don't have this emotional adventure with Jill, and because she will not have this, she will be different with the MC, as we can see in ep 7. She run into MC, on the hallway and kind of distant with him, more cold, and kind of making up her mind about that MC is guilty.

Whereas with Sage, She simply does not need this emotional confirmation about MC. That is why it does not have effect if you visit her or not. She already made her mind about the MC, even pointing out to Bella that MC is a good guy, to Bella's surprise.

so all in all, where it might be a moral decision to you, visiting a sick friend, and you might expect Jill to be fine with it, in reality to Jill it's much more than just a canceled picnic.

Talking about emotions, we can say that Jill is all about emotions with the MC, she likes him and is constantly asking herself if she has to go on with him and react each time something happens to the MC with a real concern.
On the other hand Sage is almost not emotional with the MC, she likes him as a fuckbuddy and when she shares emotions with him it's not about their own relation but about her relation with Chad.
And the MC noticed it and was reluctant to go on with her after they talk in the DIK's mansion library. She doesn't seem to understand or either want to have a deep relation with the MC, another example was her reaction during the HOT's party when she saw Chad in the hallway, we can clearly see that it's not over at all.

From all the 5 main girls i would say that Sage is the least interested for the moment, we can see that Bella and JIll really are and of course Josy and Maya.

Of course if you base your interest on the fucking you can get and think the girl is yours because you can fuck her brainsout, i think you may get some bad surprise.
We will see in the next update how the scene with Chad and Troy will end up and how or if Sage will react to this and finaly make her choice.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Tbh Maya's dad is a fuckin weirdo, he's acting all giga Christian clutching his pearls about Maya dating Josy, yet he's fine with Maya having two piercings and fake boobs

He's not a real Southern bible dad he's just a pussy

Maya's boobs are not fake. She doesn't have the money to go under the knife.

 

[ename144]

the almost complete lack of consequences of the fourth chapter is one of the most lazily written parts of BADIK

it's not just Bella who pretends afterwards to know nothing about MC's love woes (and by far she's the most justified).

Jill, who comes to know about it in every Route, will never ask him about it, even to the point of marveling at the presentation that actually Mc and Josy could have been "serious".

But even Sage, who in case he's fuckbuddy, can't not know completely forgets what happened, never a reference to how it went down afterwards.

the only one who hasn't suffered this selective amnesia is Josy who at least in the seventh chapter asks Mc about his relationship with Jill

Most of the LIs know the MC is dating multiple girls, but Sage and Jill don't know that two of those girls were also dating each other. That's the crucial piece of information Bella has (assuming the MC stays with her during Episode 4).

As for amnesia, I'm not sure I agree. Asking a potential boyfriend about your romantic rivals is a rather delicate matter, so I don't find it surprising that it hasn't come up often. Josy asked about it when she and the MC were alone and Jill came up (and you'll note she doesn't push the issue, even if the MC ducks the question). I don't recall any of the other girls having that sort of opportunity. (Unless you count Bella and Cathy's panties, but that was a slightly different situation.)

I'm back what did I miss?

Welcome back. I think everyone else has hit the highlights. Odds are we won't get many new numbers in tomorrow's update, so you can read my take on last week's update here.

Does anyone know how to change the MC name in the scene galleries? Is there a file or something to do so?

In Episodes 1-6, you go into the Bios app on the phone, click the three dots in the top right, and then enter a new name on the next screen.

With the new phone in Episode 7, go to the Settings app and adjust the name there.

Very well said..and this is much more than just minus 2 relationship, and Jill should behave in this or that way. Once again as so often in this game, Context matters. This Picnic is more important for Jill than MC. Because this is all happening right after Tybalt's shenanigans. let's drop why Jill believes him, and all the other part, this is all of the effect of her inexperience of real life. Regardless, Tybalt painting a narrative about MC that confuse Jill, and she begin to doubt not only MC but herself, as we see when she practice the piano song.

so this Birthday picnic, is kind of reinforcing Jill about her feelings and her decisions. " Tybalt is wrong about Him, I know it" . or something like this. But if you Reject her, You don't have this emotional adventure with Jill, and because she will not have this, she will be different with the MC, as we can see in ep 7. She run into MC, on the hallway and kind of distant with him, more cold, and kind of making up her mind about that MC is guilty.

Whereas with Sage, She simply does not need this emotional confirmation about MC. That is why it does not have effect if you visit her or not. She already made her mind about the MC, even pointing out to Bella that MC is a good guy, to Bella's surprise.

so all in all, where it might be a moral decision to you, visiting a sick friend, and you might expect Jill to be fine with it, in reality to Jill it's much more than just a canceled picnic.

Shazba already said almost everything I was going to say on this topic, so I'll just focus on this part.

I agree that Jill is placing a lot more significance on the MC turning down her date because of how it plays into the Tybalt blackmail situation, but I strongly dislike that for two main reasons. First, the MC has no way of knowing about that situation (without metagaming) because Jill is deliberately keeping him in the dark. Jill should be smart enough to recognize that fact - maybe not immediately, but at least by the time the MC is sneaking into her room after the tennis game. Given that Jill's already stuck looking like an idiot in this interminable blackmail subplot, the last thing we need is for her to double down on being stupid.

My second issue is the metagaming aspect I mentioned. I shouldn't have to deliberately avoid calling Sage on my Jill run just so that MC can go on a plot-critical date with a clear conscience. I should be able to make rational decisions based on the information the MC knows at the time. Missing a few RPs with Jill is of no consequence. Missing Jill's first big lewd scene is frustrating but acceptable (especially since the MC himself wouldn't see it anyway). But missing the morning jog with her at the end of Episode 7 (and thus Jill's first attempt at deliberately risque behavior with MC), that is pushing things too far IMHO. Choosing Sage over Jill in that instance doesn't say much about how important Jill is to an MC, so making that the key to gating progress with Jill really knocks me out of the narrative and reminds me I'm playing a game. I'd much rather tie Jill's potential reticence into something meaningful.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

I don't recall any of the other girls having that sort of opportunity. (Unless you count Bella and Cathy's panties, but that was a slightly different situation.)

Bella brings up Jill (if on her route) when dumping MC because of Cathy but doesn't if she isn't despite knowing that they've been dating. Don't understand that at all but whatever. I just find it a bit bizarre.

 

[Kellermann]

Sage is perfectly in her character, She wants to Fuck right there. and to be honest, She will say whatever MC want to hear, at the Hot party, in order to get the dick She need..

True, but my issue here is with MC's behaviour not Sage's. She wants it, I want it, what's the hold up DPC? I'm a massive DIK, I don't turn away from a topless woman in heat. That's AVN heresy. I'm not asking for SIMs level full autonomy, but a choice was needed here...especially since I believe at that point I was a locked-in massive DIK. Don't have a DIK act like a massive CHICK after I have already passed the point of being redeemed.

and if I also honest she was never exclusive to Dik or Chick path.

No one was really exclusive in the beginning (early season 1), but they pretty quickly thereafter fell into obvious CHICK/DIK patterns. You are increasingly squeezed out of M/J, Jill, and Bella paths if you are a DIK. I have no saves left to check, but I think the episode recaps mentioned something about Sage's DIK tendencies. Also, in previous episodes, many DIK actions granted you +RP with Sage...more than anyone else. Josy liked a few DIK choices, but for the most part Sage was clearly the only main LI for true DIKs. Guess that's gone now.

Regarding Sage, I don't think she has done too much of an about-face. It's not like she didn't give a shit about Maya, she just didn't realize what was happening with Quinn, but as president, losing three HOTs all at once is a bit of a shock and she's looking into it.

Where did Sage show any concern for Maya (or any one else for that matter) prior to the ep. 7 saintly awakening? She must have been visited by the ghost of christmas yet to cum during her fever. Up until that point she has shown two emotional states:.angry and horny. Prior to ep. 7 the only real interaction Sage/Maya had was Sage telling Maya you can't switch mothers. Sage essentially goes from self-absorbed (ep. 1 - ep. 6) to out Jilling Jill with a sudden concern for others (ep. 7). Sage takes the veil while Jill takes the skullcap. Fishy.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Most of the LIs know the MC is dating multiple girls, but Sage and Jill don't know that two of those girls were also dating each other. That's the crucial piece of information Bella has (assuming the MC stays with her during Episode 4).

As for amnesia, I'm not sure I agree. Asking a potential boyfriend about your romantic rivals is a rather delicate matter, so I don't find it surprising that it hasn't come up often. Josy asked about it when she and the MC were alone and Jill came up (and you'll note she doesn't push the issue, even if the MC ducks the question). I don't recall any of the other girls having that sort of opportunity. (Unless you count Bella and Cathy's panties, but that was a slightly different situation.)

they have several opportunities to talk face to face with mc in each chapter, and we're not talking about his generic sentimental interest, but about a story so strong that it made him run away in the middle of the night. asking him how it went is part of the minimum of good manners.

then they see that mc has a good relationship again with maya and josy, not even that moves their interest, when jill finds all 3 of them in the library the one who is embarrassed is mc (even if he is not in a relationship with any of them)

Josy's question in the pool is very direct, maybe even too much, there are a thousand other ways to ask how it's going without being so direct.

True, but my issue here is with MC's behaviour not Sage's. She wants it, I want it, what's the hold up DPC? I'm a massive DIK, I don't turn away from a topless woman in heat. That's AVN heresy. I'm not asking for SIMs level full autonomy, but a choice was needed here...especially since I believe at that point I was a locked-in massive DIK. Don't have a DIK act like a massive CHICK after I have already passed the point of being redeemed.

I agree with you, and the problem is that the scene has no prior notice

MC may have hinted to Sage about wanting to have a serious affair with her, there are some dialogue options, but he may as well have never done it. that 180 degree change in behaviour comes out of nowhere