VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Geralt From Rivia]

I saw someone say the whole thing could've been condensed into just 5 renders or something like that, which I disagree with. But then I thought about some of the other short little stories concisely told, like the original Zoey story we shared with Bella in Episode 3. Or more recently, that flashback sequence for Stephen or the opening with Helen and Patrick.

I liked the Interlude well enough, mostly just for Zoey herself, but now I'm wondering if the whole thing could indeed have been told in a short and sweet sequence: things are good with MC, grandma dies, train station, then it's sort of split the rest of the time where we see Zoey enjoy herself in San Diego while MC is alone and miserable, their text messages growing colder and less frequent. Zoey eventually misses home and MC too much, decides to come back, and MC has already tried to let go and move on. Bing bang boom.

It's obviously just a summary, but I can envision the whole thing in my head. The only thing is that with such brisk pacing, the Zoey lewd would have to also be shortened or just not included at all, which would suck because I like it a lot. There's also the consideration that DPC intentionally made her story this whole big thing regardless of what was necessary, very indicative of his dev time ballooning out of control for the next 3 episodes.

I would have made Interlude larger, not 700 renders, but at least 1200, but spending more time on the backstory of Zoey/MC, making San Diego one of the arcs, but not major content. To create an emotional connection with the character more efficiently. Making a story in 5 renders is ridiculous.
And even if she had her fun in San-Diego it would be okay, because that time she was a free girl without obligations.

I think it's the mentality many have on this site or this industry community in general that whenever there is content of no interest to them it feels like the effort spent on that should be spent on stuff that would interest them. They feel like they are owed something in that place, like someone stole interesting content from them. For others it might simply be painful memory if they were present during its developement because of the long wait and no fruit kinda thing. Like I said earlier, only when game will be finished people will see Interlude as nice part of the game or people who discover the game just recently at least. Sure there are many things that could be cut or done in more efficient way in this game, but if the community really got the hands on power over this project it would be picked apart by vultures and only carcass would be left. Then the same people would later type that this game fell off and they need to find new project with such grand details and content. Just my thoughts, it varies case by case of course don't wanna generalize too much.

In general, this is the F95 mentality, people think that developers should make a game the way the user wants. At the same time, generalizing and speaking for others "nobody needs it", "no one asked for" - you probably often heard these words. Well, in general, "my opinion is the only correct one".
Developer should make the game according to his vision, while paying attention to reasoned criticism.
Your last paragraph is absolutely based, the audience should not tell the developer how to make the game, I have seen such examples and this led to disaster. Ochlocracy is unacceptable.

 

[Macky009]

We're finally getting the Being A DIK Digital Playground porn movie announcement next week.

Starring...

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Is this a story of BaDIK 15yrs. after college

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I would have made Interlude larger, not 700 renders, but at least 1200, but spending more time on the backstory of Zoey/MC, making San Diego one of the arcs, but not major content. To create an emotional connection with the character more efficiently. Making a story in 5 renders is ridiculous.
And even if she had her fun in San-Diego it would be okay, because that time she was a free girl without obligations.

Idk about making it longer. It's a tricky thing, because they never really knew what they were or how deep their feelings really ran. It might've been much worse to spend more time with MC and Zoey, just to show how great they are together but for Zoey to still be like "we're just friends with benefits" and MC to just go along with it because he was a pussy back then and didn't speak his mind. Or on the flip side, Zoey turns out to not be super likable, and then the player is stuck with her even longer and maybe even hoping MC dumps her ass ASAP (that sentiment is already present).

In general, this is the F95 mentality, people think that developers should make a game the way the user wants. At the same time, generalizing and speaking for others "nobody needs it", "no one asked for" - you probably often heard these words. Well, in general, "my opinion is the only correct one".
Developer should make the game according to his vision, while paying attention to reasoned criticism.
Your last paragraph is absolutely based, the audience should not tell the developer how to make the game, I have seen such examples and this led to disaster. Ochlocracy is unacceptable.

Congratulations. You just made a lot of sense.

A lot of NONsense
Because all of that is going to go in one ear and out their ass, since that's where all their opinions come from anyway

 

[ZenoMod]

Like someone already said earlier in the thread, there is no way all the characters would be making parties and chilling like the previews show so far if the Riona situation wasn't solved quite fast.

In an AVN logic maybe that's right.

(Also in a normal AVN logic there should be at least one good ending in which no LI gets burned alive... )

IRL, when one of our university classmates passed away at 20 (right around November), it’s not like the entire faculty canceled the holiday parties... Not even his closest friends.
He was only 20, and it sucks he died... But jeez... We were 20 too, and falling into depression wouldn't have brought him back.

That would be cool, but I bet it would also be a bitch to code considering how much stuff can happen in BAK freeroams.

But I love if this was added, replaying EP 9 multiple time got old very quickly.

Yeah I think it would be a hell to code it in Ren'Py, but just because Ren'Py doesn't provide a facility to do it automatically.

Instead Ren'Py does provide the facility to automatically skip already seen text (and images with that).

So the question is: since BaD have a lot of different branches and most of the players (if not all) are willing to explore all of them...

And since DPC has chosen to implement BaD in Ren'Py...

...is it a good choice to make an entire episode practically one big free roam?

Short answer: NO.

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Free roams aren't the natural inhabitants of a Ren'Py environment... They are a hack to overcome the limitations of Ren'Py engine.

I think that they are acceptable IF they are short enough, or if they are big they are acceptable ONLY in a game that have just a linear progression or at most TWO branches.

In a game like BaD, with five or so main branches, each of them with infinite ramifications into subbranches... Free roams are a pain in the ass.

So, either the dev finds a way to let them skippable from the second run, or he better stick to the VN paradigm which means no free roams.

It's Ren'Py, not Unity.

 

[Bazsa4]

EP 11 will be the last for season 3 since tecnically it already has 4 parts with the interlude

 

[Better Cock Spock]

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I don't think that's true

 

[Chalk boss]

Just a few corrections, DPC doesn't start the beta until after all animations are done (yes that's stupid) and the last lewd scene might need more than ten animations, DPC mentioned 10-20 in a previous report.

There was a similar situation last year. Many people predicted that the rendering would finish in December, but in the end it finished 2 weeks earlier.
I'm guessing it's a similar situation here. The most simple animations left to render which do not require a lot of time.
He certainly will not have time to render everything in December, but he may well be able to do it by early to mid-January.

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Idk about making it longer. It's a tricky thing, because they never really knew what they were or how deep their feelings really ran. It might've been much worse to spend more time with MC and Zoey, just to show how great they are together but for Zoey to still be like "we're just friends with benefits" and MC to just go along with it because he was a pussy back then and didn't speak his mind. Or on the flip side, Zoey turns out to not be super likable, and then the player is stuck with her even longer and maybe even hoping MC dumps her ass ASAP (that sentiment is already present).

You can't satisfy everyone,
no matter how hard you try, every girl will have a group that will dislike her. But I think that DPC could have done a better job with this story.

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Congratulations. You just made a lot of sense.

A lot of NONsense
Because all of that is going to go in one ear and out their ass, since that's where all their opinions come from anyway
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[Better Cock Spock]

You can't satisfy everyone,
no matter how hard you try, every girl will have a group that will dislike her. But I think that DPC could have done a better job with this story.

DPC should've taken a gigantic left turn with the Interlude: Zoey becomes a vampire and fights werewolves, only to regain her humanity in the end and return back home. Or something equally stupid

Bella is getting MC used to the pain
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Second gif: "WhErE iS tHe KiNkY sCeNeS wItH BeLlA, gAmE iS vAnIlLa sCaM, mILkEr DeV"

The game could have this for real and it'd still be too bland and boring

 

[Bazsa4]

DPC should've taken a gigantic left turn with the Interlude: Zoey becomes a vampire and fights werewolves, only to regain her humanity in the end and return back home. Or something equally stupid


The game could have this for real and it'd still be too bland and boring

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

DPC should've taken a gigantic left turn with the Interlude: Zoey becomes a vampire and fights werewolves, only to regain her humanity in the end and return back home. Or something equally stupid

Is that BaDIK/Skyrim crossover?

 

[Bazsa4]

merch

hmm well that would be nice if it doesn't cost like $79.99+VAT

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Its a long shot, but it could a way to "hide" how long it's taking to make the game.

Maybe he wants another Steam payday, the game sold very well there.

Its not the most likely option, but I could see it happening.

He's said that he needs at least 14 episodes to finish the story, with 16 probably being the maximum. If he really does stop with Episode 14, I think the Interlude will be looked at as an even bigger waste of time, especially because the timeframes of each new episode now have to encompass a least a month.

Is that BaDIK/Skyrim crossover?

No it'll be a crossover with one of the supernatural AVNs, or a preview of his next game, inspired by movies like this

 

[felicemastronzo]

Then again, I did read in the reddit that the special annoucement will be that EP 11 will be the last for season 3 since tecnically it already has 4 parts with the interlude. It could be the way DPC deals with the longer cycle, justifying the longer wait as a seaso finale and steam release.

It could be possible and I doubt it would much work since every EPs already ends in a cliffhanger.

Even the EP title helps a bit in that sense.

seems to me to be a rather far-fetched hypothesis

DPC after the ninth chapter stated (in a promo image if I remember correctly) that season 3 was 33%, almost everyone thought he meant that the season would only be 3 chapters, so much so that he had to explain that the intelrudio counted as half a chapter so it was one and a half chapters out of 4.5 total.

 

[Rockshark]

Its a long shot, but it could a way to "hide" how long it's taking to make the game.

Maybe he wants another Steam payday, the game sold very well there.

Its not the most likely option, but I could see it happening.

Thats interesting, maybe the announcement will be that Steam will recieve the updates at the same time as Patreon from now on, and every episode will come as a update on Steam, instead of having to wait for Season 3 to complete. (The price of the season would still be the same we will just get the updates sooner)

Other than that I remember DPC saying that Sage was the banner girl for Season 3 so I belive we will see the full render of this pic in the announcement.

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[Better Cock Spock]

seems to me to be a rather far-fetched hypothesis

DPC after the ninth chapter stated (in a promo image if I remember correctly) that season 3 was 33%, almost everyone thought he meant that the season would only be 3 chapters, so much so that he had to explain that the intelrudio counted as half a chapter so it was one and a half chapters out of 4.5 total.

Was it for the Steam release, with all the girls on the bed? I think I sort of remember that.

 

[Chalk boss]

Most animations should be simple to render, but the sheer amount left doesn't help.

He probably needs the entirety of Dec and Jan to render everything (considering a few hundred statics are still required)

Also, the beta, so no update before late february/early march.

Static renders don't take as long to render unlike animations. I think even the heaviest scenes are rendered in an hour at worst. I wouldn't take them into account at all.
Static renders won't slow down, it will rely on the rendering speed of animations anyway.
While the animations are rendering he'll have time to not only polish the game, but also start developing ep12 like he did last cycle.

Just a theory about what the "Special Annoucement" will be.

Considering its a Season 3 annoucement I thought it was possible.

He could just annouce that the season is now 75-80% done, but I doubt that would require such fanfare.

At this point it will be either this, a new band or merch.

Let's just hope it won't be another thing that will slow down the game development.

I'm assuming it's a rock band since he said he's making changes to the code. He probably wants the song to play when opening the game or something like that.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Was it for the Steam release, with all the girls on the bed? I think I sort of remember that.

being after the ninth chapter I don't know if it could be for Steam, the second season had already been out for a year and the next one was too far away to promote it anyway


but I don't remember, so I can't rule it out

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I'm assuming it's a rock band since he said he's making changes to the code. He probably wants the song to play when opening the game or something like that.

 

[felicemastronzo]

That was the annoucement made last year that Season 3 was 60 something % done, probably made so that the people there who aren't his patreons remember the game and know it isn't dead.


He could have changed his mind, but again I know it's far fetched.


Thats also possible, every update is now big enough to justify that.


That kind of merch is always expensive, so I dount it would't be expensive.

But the chance of the annoucement be about merch is very low.

it would be something more than a change of mind. it would be a hypothesis that had already arisen and had been disproved.

as extreme as it is I see the opposite more likely, namely that DPC will announce that the third season will consist of 5 chapters