VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Chillout1984]

Ahh ok people do come up with some out in left field theories like I've done before and continue to do like the whole Chad batting for the home team I said that theory in the discord and everybody said I was just pulling theories outta my ass well guess what I was right.

Yeah the problem is that DPC uses a lot of twists/resolutions that are so "outrageous" or insanely underwhelming, that they are usually only used in soap operas. He's also known to give people with little to no previous screentime an important role in the resolution (the Baileys, the Poster Girls ex Tara, Penny and Kylie).

That means almost anything is possible for currently unresolved plotlines, and chances are you are more often correct with illogical/outrageous theories, than with logical ones.

 

[dontehall2023]

I might have misremembered about JBs conversation, but I am also calling BS on your rhetoric over MC's having no guilty conscience when it showed during the text messages.

It has not happen yet but seeing how he has texted and even when you rejected zoey, it shows that he harbors guilt over "confessing" the feelings.

Feel free to provide screenshots of the guilt you're talking about that Tremolo feels. I'm assuming you're talking about the talk Tremolo has with Zoey after the BBQ. Because if you are, there are 2 choices to send to Zoey via text. Neither of which affects his conscience in regards to his relationship with a love interest.

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[Chillout1984]

Feel free to provide screenshots of the guilt you're talking about that Tremolo feels. I'm assuming you're talking about the talk Tremolo has with Zoey after the BBQ. Because if you are, there are 2 choices to send to Zoey via text. Neither of which affects his conscience in regards to his relationship with a love interest.

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Probably this:


It can give a heavy burden on someone's conscience if you hurt someone you consider a friend.

 

[dontehall2023]

Probably this:
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It can give a heavy burden on someone's conscience if you hurt someone you consider a friend.

This is feeling bad about rejecting Zoey. And this text exchange happens whether you are in a relationship or not. It has nothing to do with feeling guilty about his chosen love interest. Which was what I thought we were discussing. Not Zoey's feelings.

 

[BigTTiger]

Yeah the problem is that DPC uses a lot of twists/resolutions that are so "outrageous" or insanely underwhelming, that they are usually only used in soap operas. He's also known to give people with little to no previous screentime an important role in the resolution (the Baileys, the Poster Girls ex Tara, Penny and Kylie).

That means almost anything is possible for currently unresolved plotlines, and chances are you are more often correct with illogical/outrageous theories, than with logical ones.

And plus with the outrageous theories it keeps the banter and the thread hopping and I love it like I said hundreds of pages back this is the most active I've been on this site since joining and I'm having a blast.

 

[FalconLover420]

Feel free to provide screenshots of the guilt you're talking about that Tremolo feels. I'm assuming you're talking about the talk Tremolo has with Zoey after the BBQ. Because if you are, there are 2 choices to send to Zoey via text. Neither of which affects his conscience in regards to his relationship with a love interest.

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Second message and the message that chillout sent where we are having the guilt of messing with zoey's feelings as well as the MC's own

 

[Chillout1984]

This is feeling bad about rejecting Zoey. And this text exchange happens whether you are in a relationship or not. It has nothing to do with feeling guilty about his chosen love interest. Which was what I thought we were discussing. Not Zoey's feelings.

His feeling bad for rejecting Zoey is almost surely to also have effect on the relationship. MC is quite often easy enough to read for the MGs, so you can be pretty sure it will be visible to Sage as well that something (new) is weighing on him the next time they're going to have a one-on-one talk.

 

[dontehall2023]

Second message and the message that chillout sent where we are having the guilt of messing with zoey's feelings as well as the MC's own

The message after the DIK BBQ isn't canon. It's a choice. And what does the message he sends to Zoey after rejecting her have to do with his conscience in regards to his love interest? You send that same message if you're in a relationship or not.

 

[dontehall2023]

His feeling bad for rejecting Zoey is almost surely to also have effect on the relationship. MC is quite often easy enough to read for the MGs, so you can be pretty sure it will be visible to Sage as well that something (new) is weighing on him the next time they're going to have a one-on-one talk.

You're making assumptions. If you're on Sage's path he sends lovely messages to her showing zero indication that he feels guilty that Zoey confessed her love to him. And who is he going to feel bad with if you are on the "Others" path? Because this same message happens on that path.

My argument isn't that he doesn't feel bad about rejecting Zoey. But what does feeling bad about rejecting Zoey have to do with Tremolo's conscience eating away at him to the point he has to tell Sage what happened?

Tremolo has been shown to care about the feelings of his friends. Why would Zoey be any different. Of course he is going to show concern for her feelings.

I feel like we have gone way off the original discussion.

 

[FalconLover420]

The message after the DIK BBQ isn't canon. It's a choice. And what does the message he sends to Zoey after rejecting her have to do with his conscience in regards to his love interest? You send that same message if you're in a relationship or not.

You speak about canon when in reality, there is no canon since the start of the game. We know a few things are cannon which are the major events but minor events such as LIs are not cannon, example chillout's LI run is way different than my LI interest run. But back to the point, he sends that message or choice after dumping his feelings (Guilt?) on her.

 

[Chillout1984]

You're making assumptions. If you're on Sage's path he sends lovely messages to her showing zero indication that he feels guilty that Zoey confessed her love to him. And who is he going to feel bad with if you are on the "Others" path? Because this same message happens on that path.

My argument isn't that he doesn't feel bad about rejecting Zoey. But what does feeling bad about rejecting Zoey have to do with Tremolo's conscience eating away at him to the point he has to tell Sage what happened?

Tremolo has been shown to care about the feelings of his friends. Why would Zoey be any different. Of course he is going to show concern for her feelings.

I feel like we have gone way off the original discussion.

Yes I'm making assumptions, but that is all we can do right now. The assumptions I made however are based on by the personalities we know of the MG's and of MC. It doesn't matter if MC is in a relationship or not. As I stated, chances are high in some relationships (like Sage), that the partner will notice in one of the upcoming heart-to-heart conversations there is something troubling MC. If MC isn't in a relationship, then he simply feels bad.

 

[MiltonPowers]

You speak about canon when in reality, there is no canon since the start of the game. We know a few things are cannon which are the major events but minor events such as LIs are not cannon, example chillout's LI run is way different than my LI interest run. But back to the point, he sends that message or choice after dumping his feelings (Guilt?) on her.

There is definitely canon the whole way through. If something happens that will happen regardless of your choices it is regarded as canon and will happen on every single path that anyone could possibly make.

E.g. Burkes getting divorced is canon, but whether Jade gets half the money is not canon.
Or: Tremolo having a tantrum when Josy arrives at B&R and storming out is canon. Staying with Sage is not canon.

So, the message to Zoey is canon, because it happens, no matter what. (Why he sent it and how he feels about it, is open to your interpretation).

 

[Jace Me]

Hello guys can anyone share the pure Zoey save to start this 11th ep for me, or a save where we don't reject Zoey in this update. Would be really appreciated, thanks.

I agree. I have tried every path including Alone and Others and it always ends with "Its too late" I HATE this Kinetic Novel BS...Too many I have encountered things like this.

 

[FalconLover420]

There is definitely canon the whole way through. If something happens that will happen regardless of your choices it is regarded as canon and will happen on every single path that anyone could possibly make.

E.g. Burkes getting divorced is canon, but whether Jade gets half the money is not canon.
Or: Tremolo having a tantrum when Josy arrives at B&R and storming out is canon. Staying with Sage is not canon.

So, the message to Zoey is canon, because it happens, no matter what. (Why he sent it and how he feels about it, is open to your interpretation).

And that is what I am trying to say that why he sent it or how he feels is up in the air that ultimately lies on DPC to explain in the next episode on why the MC does this.

 

[dontehall2023]

Yes I'm making assumptions, but that is all we can do right now. The assumptions I made however are based on by the personalities we know of the MG's and of MC. It doesn't matter if MC is in a relationship or not. As I stated, chances are high in some relationships (like Sage), that the partner will notice in one of the upcoming heart-to-heart conversations there is something troubling MC. If MC isn't in a relationship, then he simply feels bad.

Did he feel bad during the Christmas dinner? He didn't seem affected too much by the confession before Derek amputated his finger. Or after confessing his feelings to Zoey during the BBQ, feeling bad about it & then proceeded to have sex with Sage in his tent.

Until stated otherwise, Tremolo is not having a crisis of conscience based on Zoey's confession. It may happen. Or it may be a nothing burger. We'll find out.

Just because sometimes in Tremolo's history he feels he has to speak out about things, doesn't mean he does it every time. Case in point Jade. He feels bad about it. But Sage hasn't caught on to his feelings yet. And until this episode, there were no real consequences.

 

[Jace Me]

I have, so far, found no path where the mc cannot decide accept or reject zoey. Not sage, not j&m, not others, not bella.

I agree. I don't understand why she has become a "Throwaway" Character... What a waste and I'm done for good.

 

[dontehall2023]

And that is what I am trying to say that why he sent it or how he feels is up in the air that ultimately lies on DPC to explain in the next episode on why the MC does this.

That was never the discussion. Obviously DPC will flesh out the fallout of Zoey's choice in EP12. The discussion is does that text indicate that Tremolo is having a crisis of conscience & has to tell his love interest that Zoey confessed her love to him. And it doesn't. It happens on every path that you reject Zoey on. Relationship or not.

 

[MiltonPowers]

And that is what I am trying to say that why he sent it or how he feels is up in the air that ultimately lies on DPC to explain in the next episode on why the MC does this.

Oh ok, I wasn't really following the conversation. I was just responding to the no canon comment.

But I'm with you, how he feels at the moment is open to interpretation.
(And personally, I'm hoping that we get some player agency from here on to decide how he feels).

 

[NotEthan;P]

also we was preparing Sage to this. ufc fight Sage vs Zoey. or some WWE shit so Sage could use guitar as weapon.

I still think no matter what happens in the game or who MC is dating, his guitar won't survive for some reason or another xD

 

[Chillout1984]

That was never the discussion. Obviously DPC will flesh out the fallout of Zoey's choice in EP12. The discussion is does that text indicate that Tremolo is having a crisis of conscience & has to tell his love interest that Zoey confessed her love to him. And it doesn't. It happens on every path that you reject Zoey on. Relationship or not.

Just because he does so on every route including single, doesn't remove the insinuation that the text shows that Tremolo probably has a crisis of conscience.