VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[mike12013]

"Sage, didn't you used to fuck him before MC started dating me?"
"... Jill, that was different. He was just a rebound guy"

That's a really fucking good point lmao

 

[D3man813]

Guys im confused do i need to download season 1 and 2 play though thoes then download the Season 3+Episode 11 Download? or does the season 3+Episode 11 include everything i need?

 

[_jim_johnson]

Guys im confused do i need to download season 1 and 2 play though thoes then download the Season 3+Episode 11 Download? or does the season 3+Episode 11 include everything i need?

You have to download it all unfortunately.

It is a massive game at this point

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Guys im confused do i need to download season 1 and 2 play though thoes then download the Season 3+Episode 11 Download? or does the season 3+Episode 11 include everything i need?

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[Lagunavii]

The answer might not be a particularly popular one, but it's just too much work.

Its the only answer really - Kicking one girl out of the Bella path gives us the following variations Bella, with Jill and Sage, Bella with Jill and Thruple, Bella with Sage and thruple this gives us three variations on Bellas path alone. Now a Jill Path with Bella and Sage although similar to a path already mentioned is still a variation. (granted iits not a big change between the two) but the 3 variations per girl means we are up 15 variations kicking 1 girl out, and kicking 2 out gets another 15. and then there are the 5 we get from being with all of them and the 5 we get from being with just all of them for a grand total of 50 variations... Its a breath taking amount of work.

Plus kicking the thruple to the Kerb eliminates one major story point of the game. Kicking Sage to the kerb, well Maya would never be able to get the meeting with Burke and so on. That's why these girls are considered the MGs they are important to the story. Bellas a bit of a weird one though, not sure what shes actually brought to the Scooby gang yet.

 

[Einarr the Red]

The answer might not be a particularly popular one, but it's just too much work.

Hypothetically, you tell Jill to piss off, you don't want her in your save whatsoever. DPC would have to then consider any "shared" events involving Jill, in recent memory, The Halloween party, Sage's room and library when discussing Maya's loan, the BBQ, Bella's panty party, and so on, would all require alternate scripts, code and renders, then DPC would have to do that whole process for every MG, Halloween party without Sage, Bella's panty party without the throuple, what happens if you tell Bella to piss off etc. Why would Bella side with you over Jill in this case, so there's another branch that'd need alternate scripts, code, renders.

The length of time taken on these updates comes down to one word, branching. This would make it a million times worse. There's a reason that since Season 3 all of the paths are converging, because its easier to produce 15 renders of Sage hugging Tremolo, 25 of Josy/Maya, then whole other exclusive scenes. I feel like DPC had a major issue in Episode 10 with 4 MG paths, 6/7 side girl paths, then other branches such as Cathy or feelings for Maya/Josy, and it's only getting worse in Episode 11 with Zoey, and theres question marks around Sally/Cinderella, and even Sarah/Mel are shown to be a lot more intimate than previous

Thanks for the reply, discussion about it is what I'm looking for.

I understand your points. BaDIK is a "good bad example" because DPC clearly intended the core MGs all be pals with the MC at the end, so it has to weave that back together. I get that, and it is what it is.

Your point about it being more work is well taken, I just question how much more work would it necessarily be (and not in BaDIK specfically, but I'm thinking of doing my own VN and considering options there; in other words, the statement this option could not be done in any AVN, and I'm wondering why not)? Then again I struggle with the idea that it takes an entire year to produce a single episode. I say that with a degree of caution because I've not made a VN (I'm going mainly on the complexity and speed at which I produced mods for Skyrim which may not translate). But that's also why I posed the question, I'm learning here.

Branching is the key thing, and how inter-woven are the stories of the LIs. If each is more or less separate (unlike in BaDIK) then it seems this sort of branching would be much easier to do, you could drop an LI and they could essentially virtually disappear while the MC/player focuses on another LI instead.

Even if several potential LIs stories are inter-woven (same work place for example) if the goal is not to force them all to be friends as an ending, then it seems easier to have the jilted lover who stares dagger at you and the new girl from across the office or campus or what have you. To me, that would be fun to write or to play.

But on the other hand, the trend I'm noticing is that many VNs seem to have harem endings, its more about "fuck all the girls" than actually role playing a story and pursuing particular LI paths. Maybe I'm wrong, comments and discussion very welcome.

 

[mike12013]

Bellas a bit of a weird one though, not sure what shes actually brought to the Scooby gang yet.

At this point, it just seems like she's offering a safe space to be themselves and not have to worry about being caught or anything.

I personally think she's going to take on more of a motherly role to the group, since none of them really have a loving mother in the group, not babying them, but just more offering guidance and emotional support, as she has done for Trem and Jill

 

[DarkLords00]

Serious question, why not? I'm not just referring to this AV, but you said ANY AVN on this site.... why? What's stopping someone from doing exactly that, having the option to tell one of the potential LI's to piss off, or the MC does something that causes her to tell him to piss off?

I get why it won't happen in this VN, because DPC wrote it that way... it is what it is.

It's just as mike12013 said. Long story short it would take soooo much work to put branching on every little decision impacting each playtrough individually. Concessions have to be made here and there or else the game would never finish because we will always get so many different branches. For example: Can you imagine how much the story would've changed if MC picks up the phonecall that Quinn can (determinally) do this update or if the person that catches the MC (determinally) cheating on the midterms wasn't Bella but an actually unbiased faculty professor?

It's one of the reasons, I'm pretty sure (or at the very least REALLY hope) that if you choose to return to Zoey in a main girl route it will lead to an early bad end with a short epilogue or something. Ain't no fucking way that know that DPC has decided that MC and the main girls gang and Derek are all friends he could be able to do "passable" written branching for breaking the heart/cheating every single potential MG path with Zoey. Like it's just not feasible and it would really be a complete waste of time(roleplay/gameplay wise) since deviant points have been a thing this whole season and that decision unlike the Bianca stuff doesn't give you despite still being cheating (although emotional not physical, yet at least).

The answer might not be a particularly popular one, but it's just too much work.

Hypothetically, you tell Jill to piss off, you don't want her in your save whatsoever. DPC would have to then consider any "shared" events involving Jill, in recent memory, The Halloween party, Sage's room and library when discussing Maya's loan, the BBQ, Bella's panty party, and so on, would all require alternate scripts, code and renders, then DPC would have to do that whole process for every MG, Halloween party without Sage, Bella's panty party without the throuple, what happens if you tell Bella to piss off etc. Why would Bella side with you over Jill in this case, so there's another branch that'd need alternate scripts, code, renders.

Exploring the whole telling Jill to piss off concept, hypothetically we're on Sage's path because its the one i know best. In Episode 11, Sage and Jill bond and spend time together, whether on screen or off it, them getting their nails done is a canon event. Why wouldn't Jill ask Sage why you don't want anything to do with her, would they even be in that situation if they didn't bond at the Halloween party over hating Tyballs or would Sage still irrationally dislike Jill for a misconception in her head?

The length of time taken on these updates comes down to one word, branching. This would make it a million times worse. There's a reason that since Season 3 all of the paths are converging, because its easier to produce 15 renders of Sage hugging Tremolo, 25 of Josy/Maya, then whole other exclusive scenes. I feel like DPC had a major issue in Episode 10 with 4 MG paths, 6/7 side girl paths, then other branches such as Cathy or feelings for Maya/Josy, and it's only getting worse in Episode 11 with Zoey, and theres question marks around Sally/Cinderella, and even Sarah/Mel are shown to be a lot more intimate than previous

I do agree on stuff like Zoey being forced on the player is annoying, and I don't disagree that the start of the game is very hamfisted with Jill's path, and to an extent Maya's, I don't mind the MC having a crush or whatever at the start of the game on Josy because the VN starts at that one specific point. There could always be more player urgency in VNs, it'd be nice to break off a path when you want, but again, branching.

Exactly, it's the reason why some side girls block each other out and others doesn't. For example, Lily scenes get affected by MC relationship with Quinn and Nicole because these two are related to her. (Quinn with the drugs thing and Nicole being one of her closests friends and coworker).

Another example are Quinn and Riona, no way that after EP 10 and 11 developments will Riona be okay with MC being anywhere near Quinn after what she suffered due to her and Vinny's actions, so DPC gives you a choice this route to either still stick by Quinn or not probably for the players that were doing the Quinn and also Riona events in mind but actually prefer Riona.

Even with all it's faults, (and there are a lot trust me) DPC has made one of/if not the AVN with the most branching in this site.
Of course, not all the branching pays off in the way the players want but that's has to do with a myraid of reasons (not only DPCunt's masivvely growing ego). Like when he talked about Sage characters (in the Q&A) and how she responds better to neutral/CHICK MC now like they weren't signs already there as far back as season 2.

Spoiler: Sage's affinty "hints"

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But on the other side of the coin, it's clear that he has made a lot of changes mid writing the story and doesn't have the balls to plainly admit it. Sometimes it work, incredibly well (The whole Lily path showcases this) and sometimes i'ts just... well... (Everything Quinn restaurant related) or it amounts to nothing because plans change (remeber how the in the first episode Derek was going on about how they need to take revenge on Quinn because she took him and MC clothers?).

Spoiler: Lily's "changes" in writing

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[Lagunavii]

At this point, it just seems like she's offering a safe space to be themselves and not have to worry about being caught or anything.

I personally think she's going to take on more of a motherly role to the group, since none of them really have a loving mother in the group, not babying them, but just more offering guidance and emotional support, as she has done for Trem and Jill

There is this Yeah, but I guess it could also be argued that A. the game pushes you towards Jill at the start and shes Jills Friend so obviously shes going to be around, but also shes the one who pushes Jill towards MC in the first place and we know Jill is needed for the contract. so she has had her use

 

[Einarr the Red]

At this point, it just seems like she's offering a safe space to be themselves and not have to worry about being caught or anything.

I personally think she's going to take on more of a motherly role to the group, since none of them really have a loving mother in the group, not babying them, but just more offering guidance and emotional support, as she has done for Trem and Jill

That's how I've seen her. I prefer to play keeping her a friend, nothing sexual. Reason being, looking at it thru the MCs eyes, she is a bit of a mother figure, which he never had. She teaches him to make pancakes, gives advice on pursuing Jill (and helps), encourages him as well as scolding him when he needs it. Her being a LI doesn't make much sense to me except to check off the whole MILF fetish thing, which is what I guess DPC was doing.

That's not to say I don't like Bella, I like her quite a bit. Introduce me to a RL Bella and it won't take me 5 min to ask her out for dinner... but in RL I'm older and to me she's a beautiful YOUNG woman in her prime who strikes me as being someone with a lot to contribute to a relationship, as well as being a lot of fun once she trusts you. I just think Bella (and same with Nicole) would be better off with a guy their own age or older who can give them everything they need emotionally... and I doubt some 19yr old can.

What can I say, I take my role play serious.

 

[mike12013]

in other words, the statement this option could not be done in any AVN, and I'm wondering why not

It absolutely can, if the VN is set up for it. I was playing a VN last night (I can't name it due to forum rules), that had a similar concept, you had the MC, and one LI (who can also just be a friend), all the LIs are separate from each other, or at best know of eachother and with your actions, they can completely cut off the MC and their content is just gone.

But then there's a balance of making it actually feel like a "world" and if everything happens in a sandbox that might be difficult.

Then again I struggle with the idea that it takes an entire year to produce a single episode

I don't know the exact timeframes because I've never made one, but I've read enough dev logs and Q&As and so on from various devs that I roughly know the process. It's basically something like so
Planning any story beats you want, specific H scenes etc. Some devs like to storyboard, some wing it, so on.
Writing the actual scripts
Asset gathering/creation, whatever the author decides to do
Posing and rendering, This is entirely dependant on PC hardware, whether it's a still or animations, animations take sufficiently more time. DPC has multiple workstations, someone

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the render count for this episode somewhere and I think it worked out to like 18 a day. There's roughly 7000 renders in the update. Then there's post processing and cleaning up renders, for example DPC having to draw in seatbelts in Photoshop
Scripting it all into renpy, doesn't seem to be much of a holdup i gather. Then some people like DPC like to add minigames and all that waste of time stuff
Testing, both internal and external

It's a hell of a lot of work, then add in personal issues, burnout etc. I can see how the time adds up, like I said i can't give exact timeframes, but that should outline it.

But on the other hand, the trend I'm noticing is that many VNs seem to have harem endings, its more about "fuck all the girls" than actually role playing a story and pursuing particular LI paths. Maybe I'm wrong, comments and discussion very welcome.

I don't tend to play a lot of Harem games, I play some, but I prefer path based games, but it defo feels easier to come up with some BS reason to "share"

 

[TomUK]

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"Sage, didn't you used to fuck him before MC started dating me?"
"... Jill, that was different. He was just a rebound guy"

Well, I did sort of say this last week when I called Sage a hypocrite.

 

[Lagunavii]

I don't tend to play a lot of Harem games, I play some, but I prefer path based games, but it defo feels easier to come up with some BS reason to "share"

Its also the same with cheating games - there's another school type game out there where the MC is banging like 7 girls, most of who are friends and most of who just come into his room uninvited. yet he's not been caught yet. Bloody mental

 

[Einarr the Red]

At this point, it just seems like she's offering a safe space to be themselves and not have to worry about being caught or anything.

I personally think she's going to take on more of a motherly role to the group, since none of them really have a loving mother in the group, not babying them, but just more offering guidance and emotional support, as she has done for Trem and Jill

I can't help it, my brain won't stop riffing off this.

What if there had been an option for the MC to introduce Bella to Neil... do dad a solid! Oh... or Bella AND Nicole... yeah daddy-O whatcha got to say about threesomes now?

Neil and Cathy!

Neil and Jade! after the divorce... wait... so if you're on Sage's path you're dating your step sister now?

Neil and Nora!

I have a twisted mind. I like to think its one of my better qualities.

 

[NadaMucho]

 

[MiltonPowers]

I can't help it, my brain won't stop riffing off this.

What if there had been an option for the MC to introduce Bella to Neil... do dad a solid! Oh... or Bella AND Nicole... yeah daddy-O whatcha got to say about threesomes now?

Neil and Cathy!

Neil and Jade! after the divorce... wait... so if you're on Sage's path you're dating your step sister now?

Neil and Nora!

I have a twisted mind. I like to think its one of my better qualities.

 

[Darkwen]

My goodness that look
Alady Alady Alady

 

[Krytax123]

I can't help it, my brain won't stop riffing off this.

What if there had been an option for the MC to introduce Bella to Neil... do dad a solid! Oh... or Bella AND Nicole... yeah daddy-O whatcha got to say about threesomes now?

Neil and Cathy!

Neil and Jade! after the divorce... wait... so if you're on Sage's path you're dating your step sister now?

Neil and Nora!

I have a twisted mind. I like to think its one of my better qualities.

Jade yeez ... yeah Neil would have amazing sex for a while but he would die 10 years earlier

Im one of the people who thinks shes close to as bad as her husband and even more responsible for their utterly fucked up marriage

she has so many traits of the worst kind of wife possible (buuuuuuuuuut shes hot)

 

[Einarr the Red]

Meaty reply! Thanks.

It absolutely can, if the VN is set up for it. I was playing a VN last night (I can't name it due to forum rules), that had a similar concept, you had the MC, and one LI (who can also just be a friend), all the LIs are separate from each other, or at best know of eachother and with your actions, they can completely cut off the MC and their content is just gone.

But then there's a balance of making it actually feel like a "world" and if everything happens in a sandbox that might be difficult.

Fair point, and this is what I struggled with and thus this conversation. It just struck me as very odd to hear that it couldn't be done in any AVN. I get it can't be done in BaDIK because of the way DPC wrote thing (well... if it was mine to edit, I still could I think and still make a good story of it, but yeah it would be work).

I don't know the exact timeframes because I've never made one, but I've read enough dev logs and Q&As and so on from various devs that I roughly know the process. It's basically something like so

Same, I'm puzzling this out and trying to gauge things before I dive into anything. What I decide is or isn't practical to do will affect what kind of VN I go with making. Suffice to say, I'm not short on different story ideas, I'm just not sure about what is workable with Renpy as primary option for software. I'm more familiar with RPGMaker, but people seem to hate that and my only other choice is Unreal Engine and do a full on 3D game and that IS A LOT of work.

Planning

any story beats you want, specific H scenes etc. Some devs like to storyboard, some wing it, so on.
Writing the actual scripts
Asset gathering/creation, whatever the author decides to do
Posing and rendering, This is entirely dependant on PC hardware, whether it's a still or animations, animations take sufficiently more time. DPC has multiple workstations, someone

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the render count for this episode somewhere and I think it worked out to like 18 a day. There's roughly 7000 renders in the update. Then there's post processing and cleaning up renders, for example DPC having to draw in seatbelts in Photoshop
Scripting it all into renpy, doesn't seem to be much of a holdup i gather. Then some people like DPC like to add minigames and all that waste of time stuff
Testing, both internal and external

That's a good break down, gives me food for thought. Appreciate it.

It's a hell of a lot of work, then add in personal issues, burnout etc. I can see how the time adds up, like I said i can't give exact timeframes, but that should outline it.

Fair points

Thanks for the feedback. Probably should cut this short so I don't get anyone in trouble with the mods. Just not sure where else to ask and there's a lot of active discussion here with people who seem pretty astute.

 

[Einarr the Red]

Jade yeez ... yeah Neil would have amazing sex for a while but he would die 10 years earlier

Im one of the people who thinks shes close to as bad as her husband and even more responsible for their utterly fucked up marriage

she has so many traits of the worst kind of wife possible (buuuuuuuuuut shes hot)

LOL... well serves Neil right for telling the MC it won't work with Maya and Josy! Revenge is a dish best served as a cold heartless bitch (ie. Jade)