VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Darkwen]

Again this just feels like you are taking one little thing and warping it to your own viewpoint because of what you want it to mean which is, as @ChipLecsap put it, your cognitive bias. You're not recognising or acknowledging that they still have plenty of time to do exactly what they said they wanted to do after this night and are rushing to a conclusion that suits your best interests rather than acknowledging that they haven't even started yet which is how it actually is

Im starting to think you have never read my posts what are you even talking about

how many times do i have to say the throuple could be save I can believe they will break up no matter what and still acknowledged there can be a path for all of them.

I really don't know what else I could say because you are rejecting that I have admitted it can be save you cannot call this my cognitive bias because the only bias here is yours.

You are going on and on about me not acknowledging something I have in fact acknowledge no one here can deny that fact.

 

[Darkwen]

it's ok we can pick josy and go find megan from acting lessons and create a new throuple. fuck these guys.

a throuple i can get behind

 

[Darkwen]

Josy never said she was happy Maya wasn't there as if she only prefers being with the MC all the time. Her full comment was as follows:

"Don't take this the wrong way, but I like it when it's just us. I feel like our talks are deeper when we're alone. I mean, about you and me. When we talk about us and such."

when someone is glad or likes when it just them that means she happy the other person isn't there

 

[Blue Milk]

if you want me to read this post your going to have to break it up, does everything have to be a essay not trying to be a ass but at least make it reader friendly

If you can't be bothered to read something that's not really my problem

when someone is glad or likes when it just them that means she happy the other person isn't there

Ignoring all other context just to suit your own viewpoint. Again, textbook cognitive bias

(Thank you ChipLecsap for this term )

 

[dalli_x]

Well said


See, there you go again hyper focusing on one thing and blowing it up to match your want but ignoring the rest of the context.

Josy never said she was happy Maya wasn't there as if she only prefers being with the MC all the time. Her full comment was as follows:

"Don't take this the wrong way, but I like it when it's just us. I feel like our talks are deeper when we're alone. I mean, about you and me. When we talk about us and such."

You're only focusing on the first part and interpreting it in a way that is far greater than the sum of the whole comment. Because what she's actually saying is that she feels she can have deeper talks with him about each other when they spend time together. This, however, does not mean she prefers him overall, only that she feels it's easier to talk with him. Cut to her conversation with Maya later in the episode and we understand why that is:

"I think with everything you've gone through, I didn't want to bother you with my problems."

So what we have here is that because Josy was selflessly and somewhat detrimentally holding things back for what she thought was Maya's sake, this is why she felt good to talk to the MC about things because it's what she needed to do; to talk to someone. Josy herself made it difficult to talk with Maya not because it is or was difficult for a reason that amounts to them not being good together or anything like that, it was a self-inflicted wound on Josy thinking that she would be adding to Maya's problems, all of which is acknowledged in the very next part of their exchange:

Josy: "You already carry so much, and maybe you can't take it if I weigh you down."
Maya: "Have you been scared to tell me stuff?"
Josy: "Subconsciously, yeah. And it snowballed... And now it's this huge snowball that I can't push anymore."

Josy thought she was doing the right thing here by not burdening Maya further, but as she herself said it "snowballed" on her to this point. Then when she finally unburdens it all, Maya is so incredibly understanding and patient with her and showing Josy she needn't have held back like she did whilst also acknowledging how best to move forward and that is to not only be more open with each other but that she also needs to do more to support Josy. These are just some of the choice quotes that show all that:

"Tell me the things you've wanted to tell me. I won't break."
"You matter, Josy. You matter to me."
"I'm so thankful for everything you've done for me and how well you've supported me, but I failed to see that you were losing yourself while doing that."
"But I don't think we should postpone sharing these thoughts and having these talks anymore."
"We owe each other to be open about everything, and I'm sorry I've kept secrets from you."
"Again, we understand each other better than we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts."
"Let's make time for us and allow ourselves to dig in. And also, let me support you for a while."

All of these are pretty clear and positive expressions from Maya that can lead them to improving their relationship, especially when you couple them with Josy saying, "I want and need that", with regards to working on their relationship and I think we are going to see that before anything happens with regards to any solo paths.


As for this, you're the one who seems to be forgetting that they agreed to deal with all this after the party which means they both agreed to really begin this process another day. So it's not that they forgot anything, they just agreed to enjoy the rest of the night without dealing with anymore heavy stuff and so let that slide for now.

Again this just feels like you are taking one little thing and warping it to your own viewpoint because of what you want it to mean which is, as ChipLecsap put it, your cognitive bias. You're not recognising or acknowledging that they still have plenty of time to do exactly what they said they wanted to do after this night and are rushing to a conclusion that suits your best interests rather than acknowledging that they haven't even started yet which is how it actually is.

I agree with you completely. I wouldn't be surprised if Josy and Maya have already had this conversation and we're just unaware of it. There was a small time jump between that conversation and Christmas at Isabella's, so one or more days have passed.

Therefore, I can easily imagine that a decision we've already made in the game has already resolved the situation, and we'll see the outcome in Episode 12.

 

[BJ461]

Now I remember why I stopped following this thread...

So what's peoples thoughts on Quinn potentially taking the first step of her redemption arc?

Any Lily Lovers, how did you choose to fuck her?

 

[Darkwen]

"Tell me the things you've wanted to tell me. I won't break."
"You matter, Josy. You matter to me."
"I'm so thankful for everything you've done for me and how well you've supported me, but I failed to see that you were losing yourself while doing that."
"But I don't think we should postpone sharing these thoughts and having these talks anymore."
"We owe each other to be open about everything, and I'm sorry I've kept secrets from you."
"Again, we understand each other better than we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts."
"Let's make time for us and allow ourselves to dig in. And also, let me support you for a while."

All of these are pretty clear and positive expressions from Maya that can lead them to improving their relationship, especially when you couple them with Josy saying, "I want and need that", with regards to working on their relationship and I think we are going to see that before anything happens with regards to any solo paths.

It is positive the part your showing but your leaving out a lot of things:
Josy "But I can't say how I feel about you anymore. And I don't understand why"
Josy "And I can't go on and pretend this isn't and issue"
Josy "It scares me. its scares me to be confused. I hope the love between us isn't gone can return to blossom again"
Josy "And telling you about this now... I can feel the weight coming off my shoulders"
Josy "But i'm scared to stop talking and hearing how you will react. But I'm gonna do it ..

Maya "I'm sorry that you feel this way about it all.."
Maya "You matter, Josy. you matter to me"
Maya "I thought we had good communication... Well, maybe not lately ... And apparently, it's good enough"
Maya "I'm so thankful for everything you done for me and how well you've supported me, but I failed to see that you were losing yourself while doing that"
Maya "If we are happy as a group but not when we alone, we need to find out why that is"
Maya "I can only speak for myself, but I've not been thinking a lot about the relationship you and i have when we're with MC"
Maya "All those nasty thoughts I didn't want to have when my dad posed his ultimatum almost disappeared when the three of us got together'
Maya "So, there is something I don't understand either"
Maya "I think it good that you've spent some time alone thinking about all of this"
Maya "But I don't think we should postpone sharing these thoughts and having these talks anymore"
Maya "My future and possibilities are changing now -hopefully for something much better"
Maya " you and i need tp figure out where well go from here together"
Maya "MC is a part of it,too, but I feel you and I have issues between us on our own"
Maya "We owe each other to be open about everything, and i'm sorry I've kept secrets from you"

Josy "exhales"
Josy "I didn't expect you to take it this well"

Maya "Again, we understand each other better then we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts"
Maya "Are you willing to try it with me"

Josy "I want and need that"

Maya ''And your right. We shouldn't have this talk during this party.
Lets make time for us and allow ourselves to dig in.
And also, let me support you for a while"

Josy "your the best"

Which is follow by MC sleeping with one girl on the couch. Josy and maya words say they still willing to try but honestly they did this in ep 8 it didn't work that time. this is two woman still trying and realize something is very wrong but it hasn't fully figure out what wrong it yet. thought sad face Maya or sad Josy could be starting to figure it out. Over all this isn't a positive talk but more of a bittersweet talk with two lovers drifting apart trying one last time to fits things.

well that as a lot

 

[Darkwen]

If you can't be bothered to read something that's not really my problem



Ignoring all other context just to suit your own viewpoint. Again, textbook cognitive bias

(Thank you ChipLecsap for this term )

your only seeing what you want to you and chip are wrong, as my post above proves

 

[glaslow]

Now I remember why I stopped following this thread...

So what's peoples thoughts on Quinn potentially taking the first step of her redemption arc?

Any Lily Lovers, how did you choose to fuck her?

I gave her the hard sex she wanted because I think if we are going to take the feelings and relationship step she needs to be the one to take the step. I think she will run off if I forced her into it.
I think Quinn put a target on her back doing what she did. So it will be interesting to see how it all goes. I hope Riona Comes back.

 

[Kpyna]

what happen to MC leg??????? also Josy needs to wear that for real OMJ not just a fake preview
Alady

It's not a leg... It's his dick. Don't you see that?

 

[BJ461]

Not sure about redemption since all Quinn did was fuck over Buddy, Rio won't care about any of that.

But lets see what she does in 12.

Redemption isn't really about forgiveness. Rio could never forgive her, but Quinn still has the capacity to be better than she was. She just needs to choose to do so. She seems to think there's no turning back for her at the moment, but the fact that we can say that it's never to late to be better has me thinking that there's at least a chance.

I gave her the hard sex she wanted because I think if we are going to take the feelings and relationship step she needs to be the one to take the step. I think she will run off if I forced her into it.
I think Quinn put a target on her back doing what she did. So it will be interesting to see how it all goes. I hope Riona Comes back.

Yeah, I agree with you on Lily. I fear trying to force it may end up chasing her off.
And yeah, no doubt. I'm sure Buddy, and this Mick chap she mentions were caught in the raid, but I have zero doubt Vinny is still on the loose after this, and will target Quinn or Lily for it.

 

[KАRАMBA]

Redemption isn't really about forgiveness. Rio could never forgive her, but Quinn still has the capacity to be better than she was.

 

[BJ461]

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I'm sorry, but your bad girl is turning into a good girl now.

 

[Blue Milk]

I agree with you completely. I wouldn't be surprised if Josy and Maya have already had this conversation and we're just unaware of it. There was a small time jump between that conversation and Christmas at Isabella's, so one or more days have passed.

Therefore, I can easily imagine that a decision we've already made in the game has already resolved the situation, and we'll see the outcome in Episode 12.

I don't think this has been resolved in that space of time. I feel we're more likely to see them actually doing things together like we saw in Eps 6, 7, and 8 where they had moments together, then I think we'll also see them with the MC spending time together with him.

It is positive the part your showing but your leaving out a lot of things:

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Which is follow by MC sleeping with one girl on the couch. Josy and maya words say they still willing to try but honestly they did this in ep 8 it didn't work that time. this is two woman still trying and realize something is very wrong but it hasn't fully figure out what wrong it yet. thought sad face Maya or sad Josy could be starting to figure it out. Over all this isn't a positive talk but more of a bittersweet talk with two lovers drifting apart trying one last time to fits things.

well that as a lot

This is quite literally the most positive talk they've ever had because it's the most revealing, therapeutic, and cathartic one ever between them.

Josy was drowning under the weight of keeping her issues to herself because she didn't want to burden Maya with them while she was going through her stuff. But in this conversation, not only does she release that pressure on herself she is also given the kind of reassurance and supportiveness she has clearly longed for and the fears that Maya wouldn't react well were unfounded because she reacts incredibly well to it because, as it turns out, she has the same concerns. Maya also realises and acknowledges that she hasn't been good enough during all this and is earnestly determining to be better. No other conversation they've had so far dug so deep and really addressed any of this. They were, as Josy put it, just following the stream and so all the previous times were just surface deep and never hit upon the core which is that the focus on Patrick's ultimatum made them lose focus on each other. They both have revelations they never had before and make an entirely more profound commitment than ever before.

The first step in solving any problem is recognising there is one and what they've recognised here is that they have drifted apart a little bit but that they do not want to give up on this because they still have a deep connection with each other as referenced when Maya says, "we understand each other better then we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts". This is like the 3rd time we've been shown and told this, that they have a deep understanding and connection with each other and it's a notably significant recurring theme with them.

So having realised this, they've resolved to spend more time with each other, open up more, not be afraid to open up more, and also that both must support each other equally. That is literally what this conversation was all about, what was needed, what it resulted in, and this is what they are still going to do. This is not them acknowledging the beginning of the end, it's them acknowledging what they need to do to get back on track and endeavoring to do so because it's what they want. How successful they will be is what we will see and it may very well hinge on choices the players has made and can make, but this is by no means a sign that they will fail by default. You viewing this as only negative in spite of the overwhelming amount of objectively positive statements coming from it is just more cognitive bias.

 

[Darkwen]

I don't think this has been resolved in that space of time. I feel we're more likely to see them actually doing things together like we saw in Eps 6, 7, and 8 where they had moments together, then I think we'll also see them with the MC spending time together with him.


This is quite literally the most positive talk they've ever had because it's the most revealing, therapeutic, and cathartic one ever between them.

Josy was drowning under the weight of keeping her issues to herself because she didn't want to burden Maya with them while she was going through her stuff. But in this conversation, not only does she release that pressure on herself she is also given the kind of reassurance and supportiveness she has clearly longed for and the fears that Maya wouldn't react well were unfounded because she reacts incredibly well to it because, as it turns out, she has the same concerns. Maya also realises and acknowledges that she hasn't been good enough during all this and is earnestly determining to be better. No other conversation they've had so far dug so deep and really addressed any of this. They were, as Josy put it, just following the stream and so all the previous times were just surface deep and never hit upon the core which is that the focus on Patrick's ultimatum made them lose focus on each other. They both have revelations they never had before and make an entirely more profound commitment than ever before.

The first step in solving any problem is recognising there is one and what they've recognised here is that they have drifted apart a little bit but that they do not want to give up on this because they still have a deep connection with each other as referenced when Maya says, "we understand each other better then we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts". This is like the 3rd time we've been shown and told this, that they have a deep understanding and connection with each other and it's a notably significant recurring theme with them.

So having realised this, they've resolved to spend more time with each other, open up more, not be afraid to open up more, and also that both must support each other equally. That is literally what this conversation was all about, what was needed, what it resulted in, and this is what they are still going to do. This is not them acknowledging the beginning of the end, it's them acknowledging what they need to do to get back on track and endeavoring to do so because it's what they want. How successful they will be is what we will see and it may very well hinge on choices the players has made and can make, but this is by no means a sign that they will fail by default. You viewing this as only negative in spite of the overwhelming amount of objectively positive statements coming from it is just more cognitive bias.

parts are positive but I would consider ep8 talk more positive then here in ep11 and we all know what ever good intentions they had there failed it not feat fetch to think the same will happen here. If they have such a good understanding of each other they wouldn't be in the bad shape they are. Josy and maya are at the crossroads they could realize the past feelings are over with but remain friends or it possible for there toxic relationship to actually heal for once.

They said a lot of the right things but there words and actions aren't the same thing, they done this before so let them take there time they either going to realize it over or with mc help they get better. But first they got understand how they feel and why feelings for each other aren't the same as they was before. And got to remember there problems started before Patrick did what he did Josy says so in ep7 "why does it feel the way it did before last summer" so if the throuple can be save it no easy task

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.

 

[-d2d-]

I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.

I don't think he's ever coming back but it's an interesting idea

Sidenote, I can't believe I never made "James will return" a poll question

 

[Better Cock Spock]

I don't think he's ever coming back but it's an interesting idea

Sidenote, I can't believe I never made "James will return" a poll question

 

[Darkwen]

I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.

i tend to think he won't show up but if he does i hope he does something silly and have a box of pizza with him, it would be odd for mc to have to win her away so late in the game

 

[Better Cock Spock]

i tend to think he won't show up but if he does i hope he does something silly and have a box of pizza with him, it would be odd for mc to have to win her away so late in the game

It'd be pretty funny if MC and Bella order pizza for date night and MC answers the door to see delivery boy James