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Not sure about redemption since all Quinn did was fuck over Buddy, Rio won't care about any of that.

But lets see what she does in 12.
Redemption isn't really about forgiveness. Rio could never forgive her, but Quinn still has the capacity to be better than she was. She just needs to choose to do so. She seems to think there's no turning back for her at the moment, but the fact that we can say that it's never to late to be better has me thinking that there's at least a chance.

I gave her the hard sex she wanted because I think if we are going to take the feelings and relationship step she needs to be the one to take the step. I think she will run off if I forced her into it.
I think Quinn put a target on her back doing what she did. So it will be interesting to see how it all goes. I hope Riona Comes back.
Yeah, I agree with you on Lily. I fear trying to force it may end up chasing her off.
And yeah, no doubt. I'm sure Buddy, and this Mick chap she mentions were caught in the raid, but I have zero doubt Vinny is still on the loose after this, and will target Quinn or Lily for it.
 

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I agree with you completely. I wouldn't be surprised if Josy and Maya have already had this conversation and we're just unaware of it. There was a small time jump between that conversation and Christmas at Isabella's, so one or more days have passed.

Therefore, I can easily imagine that a decision we've already made in the game has already resolved the situation, and we'll see the outcome in Episode 12.
I don't think this has been resolved in that space of time. I feel we're more likely to see them actually doing things together like we saw in Eps 6, 7, and 8 where they had moments together, then I think we'll also see them with the MC spending time together with him.

It is positive the part your showing but your leaving out a lot of things:
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Which is follow by MC sleeping with one girl on the couch. Josy and maya words say they still willing to try but honestly they did this in ep 8 it didn't work that time. this is two woman still trying and realize something is very wrong but it hasn't fully figure out what wrong it yet. thought sad face Maya or sad Josy could be starting to figure it out. Over all this isn't a positive talk but more of a bittersweet talk with two lovers drifting apart trying one last time to fits things.

well that as a lot
This is quite literally the most positive talk they've ever had because it's the most revealing, therapeutic, and cathartic one ever between them.

Josy was drowning under the weight of keeping her issues to herself because she didn't want to burden Maya with them while she was going through her stuff. But in this conversation, not only does she release that pressure on herself she is also given the kind of reassurance and supportiveness she has clearly longed for and the fears that Maya wouldn't react well were unfounded because she reacts incredibly well to it because, as it turns out, she has the same concerns. Maya also realises and acknowledges that she hasn't been good enough during all this and is earnestly determining to be better. No other conversation they've had so far dug so deep and really addressed any of this. They were, as Josy put it, just following the stream and so all the previous times were just surface deep and never hit upon the core which is that the focus on Patrick's ultimatum made them lose focus on each other. They both have revelations they never had before and make an entirely more profound commitment than ever before.

The first step in solving any problem is recognising there is one and what they've recognised here is that they have drifted apart a little bit but that they do not want to give up on this because they still have a deep connection with each other as referenced when Maya says, "we understand each other better then we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts". This is like the 3rd time we've been shown and told this, that they have a deep understanding and connection with each other and it's a notably significant recurring theme with them.

So having realised this, they've resolved to spend more time with each other, open up more, not be afraid to open up more, and also that both must support each other equally. That is literally what this conversation was all about, what was needed, what it resulted in, and this is what they are still going to do. This is not them acknowledging the beginning of the end, it's them acknowledging what they need to do to get back on track and endeavoring to do so because it's what they want. How successful they will be is what we will see and it may very well hinge on choices the players has made and can make, but this is by no means a sign that they will fail by default. You viewing this as only negative in spite of the overwhelming amount of objectively positive statements coming from it is just more cognitive bias.
 

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I don't think this has been resolved in that space of time. I feel we're more likely to see them actually doing things together like we saw in Eps 6, 7, and 8 where they had moments together, then I think we'll also see them with the MC spending time together with him.


This is quite literally the most positive talk they've ever had because it's the most revealing, therapeutic, and cathartic one ever between them.

Josy was drowning under the weight of keeping her issues to herself because she didn't want to burden Maya with them while she was going through her stuff. But in this conversation, not only does she release that pressure on herself she is also given the kind of reassurance and supportiveness she has clearly longed for and the fears that Maya wouldn't react well were unfounded because she reacts incredibly well to it because, as it turns out, she has the same concerns. Maya also realises and acknowledges that she hasn't been good enough during all this and is earnestly determining to be better. No other conversation they've had so far dug so deep and really addressed any of this. They were, as Josy put it, just following the stream and so all the previous times were just surface deep and never hit upon the core which is that the focus on Patrick's ultimatum made them lose focus on each other. They both have revelations they never had before and make an entirely more profound commitment than ever before.

The first step in solving any problem is recognising there is one and what they've recognised here is that they have drifted apart a little bit but that they do not want to give up on this because they still have a deep connection with each other as referenced when Maya says, "we understand each other better then we think. We share a lot of these worries and thoughts". This is like the 3rd time we've been shown and told this, that they have a deep understanding and connection with each other and it's a notably significant recurring theme with them.

So having realised this, they've resolved to spend more time with each other, open up more, not be afraid to open up more, and also that both must support each other equally. That is literally what this conversation was all about, what was needed, what it resulted in, and this is what they are still going to do. This is not them acknowledging the beginning of the end, it's them acknowledging what they need to do to get back on track and endeavoring to do so because it's what they want. How successful they will be is what we will see and it may very well hinge on choices the players has made and can make, but this is by no means a sign that they will fail by default. You viewing this as only negative in spite of the overwhelming amount of objectively positive statements coming from it is just more cognitive bias.
parts are positive but I would consider ep8 talk more positive then here in ep11 and we all know what ever good intentions they had there failed it not feat fetch to think the same will happen here. If they have such a good understanding of each other they wouldn't be in the bad shape they are. Josy and maya are at the crossroads they could realize the past feelings are over with but remain friends or it possible for there toxic relationship to actually heal for once.

They said a lot of the right things but there words and actions aren't the same thing, they done this before so let them take there time they either going to realize it over or with mc help they get better. But first they got understand how they feel and why feelings for each other aren't the same as they was before. And got to remember there problems started before Patrick did what he did Josy says so in ep7 "why does it feel the way it did before last summer" so if the throuple can be save it no easy task
 

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I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.
 

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I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.
I don't think he's ever coming back but it's an interesting idea

Sidenote, I can't believe I never made "James will return" a poll question :FacePalm:
 
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I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.
i tend to think he won't show up but if he does i hope he does something silly and have a box of pizza with him, it would be odd for mc to have to win her away so late in the game
 

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i tend to think he won't show up but if he does i hope he does something silly and have a box of pizza with him, it would be odd for mc to have to win her away so late in the game
It'd be pretty funny if MC and Bella order pizza for date night and MC answers the door to see delivery boy James :sneaky:
 

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Fuck James, We need Steve back from the minimart. Then when I pick Josy I can hook him up with Maya. Steve redemption arc from annoying ass to best bud.
 
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My dudes, James died alongside Bella's parents about 7-8 years ago. He was already dead in the chapter prologue scene where the other librarian told Bella to 'go home' and the random guy looked at her funny as she was talking to no one (that the player is misled to believe James is there). It was only about 3 years ago that Bella started taking medication for her psychosis, which is why James 'went away'. Sometime before the events of this game, something happened to Bella that caused her to stop taking her meds, which is the true cause of her cold persona. That's why MC would have called for help in the flashback. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
 

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It'd be pretty funny if MC and Bella order pizza for date night and MC answers the door to see delivery boy James :sneaky:
James delivers the pizza but lingers by the door

[Tremolo]
"What are you still hanging around for?"
[James]
"Just waiting for you to give me the tip"
[Tremolo]
"What a coincidence! So is your wife! Well....not just the tip"
 

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My dudes, James died alongside Bella's parents about 7-8 years ago. He was already dead in the chapter prologue scene where the other librarian told Bella to 'go home' and the random guy looked at her funny as she was talking to no one (that the player is misled to believe James is there). It was only about 3 years ago that Bella started taking medication for her psychosis, which is why James 'went away'. Sometime before the events of this game, something happened to Bella that caused her to stop taking her meds, which is the true cause of her cold persona. That's why MC would have called for help in the flashback. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
 

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I think everyone expects James to show up on Bella's doorstep one day (if he comes back at all), but what if MC were to find out he's back before she did? For instance, MC's out shopping and happens to see him, recognizing him from the wedding photo. Idk what circumstances would have James not go straight to Bella before MC has the chance to tell her, but having a talk about his return would probably play out differently before she sees James, as opposed to after.

Idk, just a thought that popped in my head. I doubt DPC would do it this way, except perhaps it adds a bit more drama, having MC break the news—or maybe thinks about keeping it to himself? I haven't really fleshed it out, really more of a throwaway idea.
Stupid MC would not recognize him like he still hasn't figured out Jill's house if on Jill path
 
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parts are positive but I would consider ep8 talk more positive then here in ep11
The Ep 8 talk was nothing like this. The one in the HOT house is literally just Josy trying to convince Maya to join the HOTs, Maya apologising to Josy for being so distant recently, and then her telling Josy she spoke to Sage. Then the talk in the MC's room is just more of Josy trying to convince Maya the HOTs are alright and that they'd be fine knowing they're together. That's the kind of surface level stuff I was talking about where they don't actually address the real underlying issues as they did in Ep 11. It dug so much deeper, revealed the major issues, had them recognise what they need to do fix it, and both earnestly made it clear how much they want it. Nothing before that even comes close to this because this conversation was sorely needed.

and we all know what ever good intentions they had there failed
Literally all they did there was a small patch-up job that didn't get to the root of the issues. You keep acting as though every conversation was deeply profound and were portrayed as resolving everything but they weren't. Only the Ep 11 one really has that distinction, one you still refuse to see.

If they have such a good understanding of each other they wouldn't be in the bad shape they are.
Because it takes communication to realise that they do. They both internally struggle with their feelings and emotions and both worry what the other would think if they voiced them, fearing that the other may be hurt or otherwise take it the wrong way. This is literally something all people face when in a couple, even the closest of couples, because people always have that fear of losing love because of a disagreement or miscommunication that gets out of hand. But you need to talk about these things and it's when they do they realise they "share a lot of these worries and thoughts" and it's precisely because, deep down, they have a good understanding of such things and each other.

They said a lot of the right things but there words and actions aren't the same thing, they done this before so let them take there time they either going to realize it over or with mc help they get better.
Again, they never said anything even remotely as profound and serious as this in any previous moment together. This talk in Ep 11 is the biggest turning point for them in the entire game by far because of how important it was for them to finally have this cathartic conversation.

But first they got understand how they feel and why feelings for each other aren't the same as they was before. And got to remember there problems started before Patrick did what he did Josy says so in ep7 "why does it feel the way it did before last summer"
Misquoting and also missing the context again.

The actual line was, "Why does this feel exactly like it did before summer?", as in this most recent summer when they had to stay apart because Patrick had found out about them before then and the full context here is that she says this when she is moving to the HOT's house because Patrick's surprise visit means he could show up anytime and catch them unawares so they can't have private time in the dorm room anymore and it will be difficult in the HOT house because Josy shares a room.

Maya: "You'll be sharing a room, right?"
Josy: "I think so."
Maya: "It will be hard to get private time together."
Josy: "Why does this feel exactly like it did before summer?"
Maya: "It's because it's the same thing all over again."

So what she's actually referring to is that moving out and not being able to spend time together privately reminds Josy of how they were forced to stay apart at the start of summer because of Patrick, the very thing which started causing problems in the first place. So yes, their problems did start because of Patrick and it's again because the focus was so much on getting out of his ultimatum that they lost focus on each other and so drifted apart, but that isn't a problem now.

so if the throuple can be save it no easy task
Because it will require certain choices be made by the player, but it's going to be possible.
 
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My dudes, James died alongside Bella's parents about 7-8 years ago. He was already dead in the chapter prologue scene where the other librarian told Bella to 'go home' and the random guy looked at her funny as she was talking to no one (that the player is misled to believe James is there). It was only about 3 years ago that Bella started taking medication for her psychosis, which is why James 'went away'. Sometime before the events of this game, something happened to Bella that caused her to stop taking her meds, which is the true cause of her cold persona. That's why MC would have called for help in the flashback. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
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James delivers the pizza but lingers by the door

[Tremolo]
"What are you still hanging around for?"
[James]
"Just waiting for you to give me the tip"
[Tremolo]
"What a coincidence! So is your wife! Well....not just the tip"
He lingers a little longer after that too, Bella never closes her damn curtains :sneaky:
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Stupid MC would not recognize him like he still hasn't figured out Jill's house if on Jill path
True, although he sort of recognized Patrick in Episode 3 if you saw the graduation pic.
 

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the only reason to take Josy to the minimart again is to rub it in Steve's fugly face that Josy is his girl now. have them make out in the parking lot in front of Steve after he leaves to get in his awesome car that his rich dad gave him. have Josy look at him and laugh saying, too bad Steve, you will never have this but mc has had this soo many times..and his cock is fucking huge. then they laugh and drive away in Rusty's sports car which Fuckface drove there to add another level of Fuck You Steve..
 
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