VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Holy Bacchus]

In researching the path I put in spoilers - I also raised myself the following thoughts;

Maya doesn't get invited to the party and you ask where she is.
Rusty: "Who's Maya"
Tommy: "I told you about Maya, she's....."
Derek (interupts): "She's my sister"

What was Tommy going to say??!?!


Maya says she ducked out of the cumpetition and Camilla stepped up and took her place. We later discover Quinn had pre-selected you as her ride but were the riders for random guy (Riona) and Derek (Camilla would of been Maya) also pre-selected?

See, this is where I sometimes have a problem with this game because it forces things upon the MC despite their choices and creates vastly opposing viewpoints on the characters and events because of it.

If you do everything you can with Maya and Josy, including the positive responses to texts and Rooster posts, then what they feel for the MC and what he feels for them seems totally understandable, but if you avoid all these optional things then you're left scratching your head as to why these 2 girls have fallen so hard for him and why he seems to care so much about them.

This is where I feel like the merging of choices with a relatively set and planned out narrative falls a little flat, because relationships and feelings are developing between characters as a matter of plot and this often contradicts the choices being made by the players. The same is also true with Bella where all players stay with her in ep 5 even if they have a relationship that isn't on good terms.

 

[Cabin Fever]

Well let's breakdown the MC to Josy and MC to Maya relationship, avoiding all the extra routes and limit our contact to the moments the author forces us on.

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[flippityflop]

I have the same feelings as you

Josy lets himself be carried away by passion, Maya started a path (psychological? Emotional? Sexual?) with MC which, however, she abruptly interrupted as soon as she found Josy, and after she does not show any intention of continuing it.

when MC convinces himself to talk to the girls again neither of the 2 has any intention of reopening the story with him, never, even for a moment, they are there to have nothing outstanding with MC, to appacificate but as friends

a mistake for Josy, a pastime for Maya: the perfect conditions for a good friendship

Ha... I think I'm starting to get it. You're against the idea of MC having anything to do with Maya and Josy.
You're zealously protecting their relationship by downplaying their individual relationships with MC.

What's up with that? Why won't you just outright say it?

 

[flippityflop]

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Holup, what conditions? What did I miss?

 

[Malicre]

Ha... I think I'm starting to get it. You're against the idea of MC having anything to do with Maya and Josy.
You're zealously protecting their relationship by downplaying their individual relationships with MC.

What's up with that? Why won't you just outright say it?

"individual relationships with MC"

Did i miss something? i thought that ceased to exist once josey showed up on campus.

 

[flippityflop]

"individual relationships with MC"

Did i miss something? i thought that ceased to exist once josey showed up on campus.

Okay, you're right, "relationship(s)" is a bit of stretch. I have no idea how else to call it. Build-up to a relationship? Help me out here, I'm starting to get stressed!

 

[solarBear]

My tier list is pretty similar to yours except you have josey way higher and i have heather higher but i'm in the camp that thinks Jill is the best girl, at least for the moment (even tho she is boring but that's beside the point). The problem with Jill is that like Bella i forsee a big event happening with her and her family (arranged marriage with the B dude in B&R more then likely) which is interesting because its a big parallel to his father/mother relationship and its been hinted at time and time again that Jill doesn't really care about the "rich" lifestyle so we will have to wait and see where that goes.

And i agree with you about Sage, she gets better and better as the story progresses.

And don't get me wrong fellas, i love Bella as much as everyone else, i just don't think that relationship has a snowballs chance in hell at surviving.

I probably have jill common tier with 99% of fappers in this thread
i usually tend to shy away from herd mentality but Jill is perfect in every way you cant help but love her
Josy might have kept some secterts but at least she never lied about anything
lastly Heather is not even a proper side girl yet but I like 2 things about he
1. her melons ( sry watermelons )
2. her faithfulness to a piece of shit like Tommy
well that makes 3 things

 

[Malicre]

I probably have jill i a common tier with 99% of fappers in this thread
i usually tend to shy away from herd mentality but Jill is perfect in every way you cant help but love her
Josy might have kept some secterts but at least she never lied about anything
lastly Heather is not even a proper side girl yet but I like 2 things about he
1. her melons ( sry watermelons )
2. her faithfulness to a piece of shit like Tommy
well that makes 3 things

Haha i like heather because shes literally the only one who hasnt jumped on the mc's dick and like you said shes loyal, plus shes hot and has attitude.

TLDR: Heather is true endgame route, yall just dont know it yet.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Ha... I think I'm starting to get it. You're against the idea of MC having anything to do with Maya and Josy.
You're zealously protecting their relationship by downplaying their individual relationships with MC.

What's up with that? Why won't you just outright say it?

what do you disagree with what i wrote?

the situation is that. Josy cheated on Maya in a difficult time, but as soon as she got the chance, she runs to her.
Maya has had a good time with MC and has also made some serious thoughtson him, then she finds Josy and ends everything

these are two common situations, of course less common they occur simultaneously ...

when MC freaks out does one of the two girls tell him that she feel something for him? and they both speak directly to him without the presence of the other. no, but as soon as he leaves they immediately make peace between them

once Josy is in BR is there ever the hypothesis that one of the two girls gets involved with MC?

the relationship between Josy and Maya is clearly stronger, there is nothing wrong with it, it is so

 

[Malicre]

My whole issue with Maya and Josey is that Maya was actually progressing as a person, you can see her ups and downs, overcoming her struggles and then as soon as Josey came back into the picture it felt like she lost ALL of her character development which is why i dropped both of them right then and there, it felt like the first 3 chapters (or how many it was) were pointless and meaningless.

 

[felicemastronzo]

My whole issue with Maya and Josey is that Maya was actually progressing as a person and then as soon as Josey came back into the picture it felt like she lost ALL of her character development which is why i dropped both of them right then and there, it felt like the first 3 chapters (or how many it was) were pointless and meaningless.

but it's a situation I've seen in real life too: couples who suddenly vanish when an ex comes back, and after that the "old" couple picks up where they left of

 

[cryhwks]

As for my preference for the LI's;

Sage - Hot, no strings attached (As yet) redhead who is therefore the most honest and open one with you. That's why (putting aside the porn) I enjoy her scenes as you actually tend to learn stuff from her.

Josey - In story terms I've known her the longest and before things got very complicated. I also like her 'chipper' attitude as it translates to the kind of girls I liked in RL.


Bella - Is growing on me since I explored her route more but she still scares me with her unblinking ways and her hot or stone cold swings.


Jill - Is a very well modelled character but she's the kind of girl that I find deeply, deeply boring.


Maya - Don't trust her and (as mentioned before) her less then a week swing from 100% lesbian to wanting to be your/my girl makes me think she's a little unbalanced. I like a touch of crazy from time to time but seeing as she's Dereks sister and I'm potentially trapped in proximity to her for 4 years.........I wanna keep that at arms length.

Sage - I think is sweetheart at heart, but she's heavily concerned about hierarchy and what people think from the outside, vain. But she's changing because of the MC

Josy - she's more confident, she's definitely has DIK in her, and I mean her attitude, I think eventually she will have a DIK route ending with he MC, just my opinion.

Bella - Her story has a lot of layers to it. I think her mood swings as you put are understandable, her parents died when she was relatively young, her relationship with her husband is clearly not that good. And she's unsure how she's supposed to feel with the MC, she clearly enjoys being around him, but she's torn because she's married and because of Jill, and probably also because of the age difference and she's a teacher.

Jill - She's clearly the cannon path, she mirrors the relationship that the MC's parents had. But she is also clearly a sweetheart as well, she tries to make the MC laugh when he's having a bad day.

Maya - Yes she wasn't a 100% honest, but it's realistic, we gotta remember these are mostly teenagers, it's very uncommon for a teenager to have all their shit together. I think Maya has a pretty submissive personality, and she can be swayed by a more dominant personality like Josy and the MC, which is also scary because Quinn is a more dominant personality. But Maya isn't some shitty person.

 

[xsssssssss]

I think if MC helps Quinn he will do it for HOT in general, or for Sage.

I don't think it is an avoidable step anyway, somehow MC will be involved, perhaps even accidentally (for example he is with Quinn, when the bad guys arrive and take both or they try to kidnap a HOT and he intervenes)


I am intrigued by Quinn's motivations, why did you set up two secret activities? what's this money round for? Is Quinn a customer of these drug dealers or is she forced to cooperate?

I certainly hope we can help Quinn for Quinn's sake not for hots or Sage.

 

[Alfagrem]

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It's not missing - It's optional

The listing I gave is that which can not be avoided and therefore is true no matter the path you take through the game.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I certainly hope we can help Quinn for Quinn's sake not for hots or Sage.

it seems complicated to me

MC and Quinn don't have such a relationship that Quinn can ask him for help
Quinn could "blackmail" MC to help him (if the scandal breaks out others would pay for it)

 

[felicemastronzo]

Maybe in light fiction, but in real life most drug dealers at the level Quinn would be dealing with are non-violent. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the whole "violent drug criminal" thing is mostly just racist nonsense, at the lower levels. Particularly for anyone who is dealing to a college student.

the image shown is not particularly serene

and then it is Quinn who is worried about the money she cannot collect

 

[Alfagrem]

the situation is that. Josy cheated on Maya in a difficult time, but as soon as she got the chance, she runs to her.
Maya has had a good time with MC and has also made some serious thoughtson him, then she finds Josy and ends everything

these are two common situations, of course less common they occur simultaneously ...

when MC freaks out does one of the two girls tell him that she feel something for him? and they both speak directly to him without the presence of the other. no, but as soon as he leaves they immediately make peace between them

once Josy is in BR is there ever the hypothesis that one of the two girls gets involved with MC?

the relationship between Josy and Maya is clearly stronger, there is nothing wrong with it, it is so

I can't see how you can pitch josy as 'running straight to Maya'.

On the second date with Josy when you ask her about getting into B&R she says "If I had I would be outside your dorm jumping for joy"

Then when it happens it's MC she phones, It's the MC she wants to stay with and she merely gets alloted a random dorm that just happens (for story purposes) to be Maya's.

Even then she scarpers out to the Toilet, texts MC and during that talk she curses the odds and asks "what are we gonna do"

I'd say that all her talk and action up to this point have her wanting to pursue the MC over Maya and it's only when MC storms out that she falls back in with Maya.

Even then she's the first to try to mend the bridge via text and later on (if you take the path of friends/meet dad/luggage) she pretty much admits to not wanting to be the odd one out and ending up with no-one and not having a choice in the matter.

Maya's opposite scene (not helping with luggage) is a lot more constrained and is just that she doesn't want to deal with the complication that is the MC. therefore I'd say the path to a Josy only path is a lot more viable based on the writing and timeframes then it is for a Maya only route

 

[xsssssssss]

it seems complicated to me

MC and Quinn don't have such a relationship that Quinn can ask him for help
Quinn could "blackmail" MC to help him (if the scandal breaks out others would pay for it)

Based on their current relationship I don't see any reason why if things go full tailspin several episodes down the line for her she might not reach out for his assistance. Quinn clearly seems to have a real thing for MC and we as MC have had several opportunities to display our interest in her and peek beneath the layers of emotional armor she wears.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I can't see how you can pitch josy as 'running straight to Maya'.

On the second date with Josy when you ask her about getting into B&R she says "If I had I would be outside your dorm jumping for joy"

Then when it happens it's MC she phones, It's the MC she wants to stay with and she merely gets alloted a random dorm that just happens (for story purposes) to be Maya's.

Even then she scarpers out to the Toilet, texts MC and during that talk she curses the odds and asks "what are we gonna do"

I'd say that all her talk and action up to this point have her wanting to pursue the MC over Maya and it's only when MC storms out that she falls back in with Maya.

Even then she's the first to try to mend the bridge via text and later on (if you take the path of friends/meet dad/luggage) she pretty much admits to not wanting to be the odd one out and ending up with no-one and not having a choice in the matter.

Maya's opposite scene (not helping with luggage) is a lot more constrained and is just that she doesn't want to deal with the complication that is the MC. therefore I'd say the path to a Josy only path is a lot more viable based on the writing and timeframes then it is for a Maya only route

Josy with MC is completely honest
she always told him that she was engaged, MC is an affair, and MC knows it, in fact towards Josy he only says nonsense, he is afraid, there is little to do

the story with MC is clearly over as soon as she arrives in Maya's room, they write to each other, they talk about each other but nobody talks about their relationship. it's over. when Josy talks about "we" she refers to the three of them, not to them 2

once they are all 3 in BR there is no moment when it is credible that MC has a chance to continue his story with one of the two girls.

why otherwise after the clarification "we are all cheaters" are the two girls officially a couple while MC has to beg for a friendship that does not exist?

on the hypothesis that it might be easier to reconquer Josy of Maya I agree, but it's a different matter

 

[felicemastronzo]

Based on their current relationship I don't see any reason why if things go full tailspin several episodes down the line for her she might not reach out for his assistance. Quinn clearly seems to have a real thing for MC and we as MC have had several opportunities to display our interest in her and peek beneath the layers of emotional armor she wears.

why would she ask him for help?

what would their current situation be?
that maybe they smoked a joint together and some casual sex?

they are not on good terms, MC explicitly says this to Sage, plus she also treats Maya badly ...