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felicemastronzo
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i also wrote this:
the scenario you describe is not fighting, but asking and accepting to submit to a threat, there is quite the opposite of fighting.
but even assuming there has been an important clash with the father (we don't know anything about it and it is not said, I have quarreled with my parents hundreds of times, rightly and wrongly and I did not end up like a homeless person) at the limit we could say that Maya has "fought". but as a couple they also gave up on that point
and I repeat many battles cannot be won, but they should at least be fought
instead we are talking about a couple who do not even know if they are still together or not
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Maya's personality shown so far makes me doubt that she has clashed so hard with her father. her father imposed an ultimatum on her and she accepted it hoping for providence.
then we are in the non-sense, whereby Maya gives up the money for the college thinking of not seeing Josy anyway, which should be the reason why the father refused to pay her the tuition...
but the point of my reasoning was not to talk about Maya and Josy yet, but to explain why I don't think their couple can last with and without MC.
if MC is just a friend I don't understand why he should bump into them to keep them together, it would be really uninteresting in a game where at that point he will obviously be interested in another LI, if he were interested in one of the two girls then it would make even less sense to stand there at be supportive of their lopsided relationship.
if MC is in a relationship with both of them, unless he makes wicked choices that lead the two girls to hate him, it still seems very likely to me that it is one of the two girls to leave the relationship. I don't know if the plot will take this into account but I would like to remind you that MC can be in relationship with both even having had a clear preference towards only one of the girls in choices and actions
A real question is why doesn’t John Boy never wear his jacket? John Boy is literally Derek’s twin, they both never wear shirts
Yes, it was. She talks about how her conservative religious father lost his shit when she came out of the closet and forbade the relationship.
And why do you think she is so fucking desperate to get into the hots and get that free tuition? To get out from under his thumb so she can go back to josey, obviously.
felicemastronzo
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we know that Maya's father is against her story with Josy and therefore refused to pay her tuition.
we know that her father used harsh words towards Maya (that she was worthless).
therefore it is the father who certainly attacked Maya, what Maya did to defend her relationship we do not know.
the plan to go to college with a dubious free tuition is desperate, then if it's to live with a girl you think dumped you it's crazy
Holy Bacchus
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Indeed, I can't imagine Maya and her Dad having particularly fierce shouting matches or anything like that, more likely that he would have exerted his will on her and she would have become emotionally distraught, but she hasn't accepted his ultimatum.
In the first episode she mentions the ultimatum but the fact that she's trying to get in to the HOTs because of the promise of free tuition would suggest to me that she hasn't accepted it as it's likely that the conditions of the ultimatum are to give up her relationship with Josy and/or get over her "phase" of being interested in girls, and if she does this then she'll get her tuition money. So not having her tuition and wanting to join the HOTs would heavily suggest she hasn't accepted her Dad's ultimatum.
Well, as I said, if a condition of the ultimatum is also to stop being gay, then she can't agree to that because, at the time, that's what she believed she was. So her not accepting may not entirely be because of Josy since, as you say, she couldn't guarantee seeing her as she might not have got in to B&R.
The MC can be made to have a clear preference if he's gained a lot of RP with one but not the other, you're right, and there are moments like staying with Josy and staying with Maya for their respective sex scenes where, again, he could choose one but not the other. Maybe that will have an effect on the throuple relationship, but it could also be more to do with the decision mechanic we saw in Ep 5 where you had to choose between going to Maya or going with Josy, and if we get more choices like that and you choose one girl more than the other, then that might be what has an effect.
In a way, it would be somewhat reflective of real world realtionships because by spending more time with one of them then he's showing more interest in them and in their relationship, whilst essentially ignoring the other one makes his feelings for them not seem the same since they don't spend a lot of time together. Therefore, if he spends an equal amount of time with each, let's say there will be 6 of these choices throughout the game, and the player chooses Josy 3 times and Maya 3 times, then perhaps this will be the path to an endgame relationship with both of them since he split his time equally between them.
I just wouldnt say that it's hopeless or even a sure thing that their relationship will break up no matter what path you're on, yes because that's my preferred path and I wouldn't want it to be hopeless so perhaps I'm a little biased, but also because the game is at least presenting the possibility that it can happen and not that it can't.
Of course it's "crazy", a) because it's a story made for dramatic purposes, but also b) she's a teenager and rational thought is something generally gained with age whilst emotional thought is generally what rules teenage life.
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But my point is Maya wasn't hoping for an act of providence, she was taking an active role in bringing it about. That's one way of fighting for the relationship. The fact she didn't go about it the way you would have preferred (challenging her father directly and refusing to back down) doesn't change that. Maya gave up too quickly and didn't convey her feelings to Josy very well, but she was trying to keep them together.
As far as the relationship going the distance the second time (with or without the MC), that's entirely up to what DPC wants to happen. The people involved are inexperienced and the relationship is fragile (especially if it's going the polyamory route), but it's not impossible. IF DPC wants it to succeed and shows the girls (and the MC, if applicable) learning to make healthier choices, it can credibly succeed. If DPC wants it to fail because he hates making his audience happy, he can show the girls continuing to hide their feelings behind fear and indecision, and it will credibly fail.
Obviously, I am hoping for the former.
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You and me both, brother.
I really do hope DPC allows this relationship to work somehow. Even if they are happy with how AL went, which they do seem to be, consistently dashing people's hopes by subverting their expectations like this, offering up a particular relationship path then taking it away, is not a good thing to do.
Just imagine the rage if an endgame relationship with Sage was impossible no matter what choices you made, and that's what it would feel like for players who want a M&J endgame relationship and feel that the game is promising this.
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don't confuse people because there won't be any M&J ending with mc, Dpc will never do mini harems so nope, in the end you will have to choose 1 for sure.
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I don't think being bisexual unlocks father's money ...
an ultimatum on "no longer being gay" would be ridiculous enough, how would the father verify his daughter's "conversion"? would it be enough to introduce MC to him?
are we sure Maya knew about Josy's difficulty getting accepted into the BR? it's always part of their unclear past
the idea is that the tuition is a considerable amount, so already believing that they give it to you easily is very naïve, then thinking of having no problems in a very "uninhibited" sorority for an extremely shy girl and in theory homosexual is really relying on providence, or to MC who in this game has the function of providence (to answer ename144 )
whenever Maya is shown to us in the HOTs it is patently out of place
it's like I quit my job and think I'm living by winning XFACTOR ...
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it is of course as you say, what DPC wants to happen will happen.
in fact, I made it a reasoning both of credibility and of plot
there are 3 main cases:
1) MC is just friends with Maya and Josy, and has no interest in them. in this situation it is irrelevant what happens to the couple, but if it has to remain within the main plot only a break up would bring them back into play, otherwise it would be just a distraction.
2) MC is only friends with Maya and Josy, but has an interest in one of them. in this case, forcibly, under certain conditions the couple must break up, otherwise it would be a dead end for MC
3) they are all three more than friends, in this case except for the wicked choices of MC, who would then be thrown out by the girls, it is a relationship that I see even more fragile than the original one. then also take into account that it is a relationship that should survive two seasons ... that it breaks down seems very likely to me, at least it has time to rebuild.
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DPC has said they won't have a harem in the game, but this is not a harem, not even a mini one, it's a throuple and such things exist in the real world so it's not as unrealistic as the multi-women harems that are present in so many other games.
Yes, they quite literally burned away the last potential throuple in AL, but that is not necessarily indicative of this one also not working out. It cannot be said that it's definitely not going to happen, and I guess the same can also be said of it happening, but a throuple ending is entirely possible at this stage and will all depend on how DPC wants to write it, but there's no reason why they can't make it work as ename144 was saying.
The game is certainly dangling that carrot in front of us just like AL did, and to make this another no-win situation would be bad form just as it would be if they did it with any other LI.
Being bisexual doesn't solve the ultimatum either, but that's not what I was saying. Her Dad potentially trying to force her to "no longer be gay" is certainly ridiculous, but it happens. Parents who disapprove of their child being gay will often think it's just a phase and therefore something they can get over if they just meet the right person of the opposite sex. He certainly can't verify it as she could just lie to him, but some parents will think their child can get passed these feelings.
We don't know if Maya knew that Josy still hadn't been accepted yet, but she could at least have been hoping Josy would show up eventually.
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Not the full version of 0.6.0, just the update patch to take 0.5.0 and turn it into 0.6.0 would be all that's required.
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If you think he will give us a throuple ending, you dont know anything about dpc.
Be my guess and try to go for that, I will just be laughing when the consequence of that choice explodes in your face.
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This is only his 2nd game and it's drastically different from their first, so who really knows what DPC will and won't do? Just because he had a psycho killer in the last game doesn't mean there will be one in this game, just because a LI died in the last game doesn't mean one will die here, and just because he made one game where a throuple didn't work out does not mean that will happen in this game.If you think he will give us a throuple ending, you dont know anything about dpc.
Be my guess and try to go for that, I will just be laughing when the consequence of that choice explodes in your face.
If he wants to be labeled a one-trick pony, then by all means, go ahead and repeat all the same beats of the previous game, but the best writers/creators can turn their hand to different types of stories/genres, do different things, and not be repetitious. This game is just that, and the very nature of it does not make their relationship unlikely, unless DPC is a masochist who likes to play with his audience which I sincerely hope they're not. Not having a M&J ending is the same as not having a Sage ending, or a Jill ending, or a Bella ending, even when you do everything right because the dev has hard-coded a bad ending for them. Players wouldn't be happy about him doing this with any other LI, so M&J should be no exception.
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Given DPC's track record I think it's better to just assume he won't give players any sort poly ending with 2 girls. It's better to keep your expectations low to avoid being dissapointed then to have high expectations only to be greatly dissapointed.
We don't get any sort of threeway endings = that's fine as I wasn't realistically expecting any in the first place.
We do get a or a few threeway endings = Great! a pleasant surprise as I didn't think there would be any.
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No one is saying he will do the same tricks, but he has a stance of what he does and what he doesn't, like incest.
It was very clear to me his stance on 3way endings.