VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Loxxxthenasty]

We all know how dedicated I am to a single LI per game; it started a certain older sister from a certain almost abandoned game, to Megan from AL, to a certain Doc, then Jill. I blame it on those "big 4" in the very early stages of my VN career. Yeah I'm missing more than half of each game (probably much more than half in this one) but I've said it before that I dedicate myself to one girl per game like I've dedicated the last 14 years to my girlfriend.

I've always had this very well developed loyalty trait in real life, and that transitioned over to VNs, and I never once apologized for it, and never will.

It's just who I am as a person and that's why I can never really do one more than one LI per game for the most part.

The post prior to this one you put up kinda made me laugh!But I do respect and share your real life view... BUT!!! When it comes to VN's we are polar opposite!!!!.... Even started on the very ones you mentioned vicariously through your chosen LI's....Bang bang BANG!!!
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[zanpakuto14]

Does this game punish you for banging multiple people like acting lessons does? How obvious is it when you've made the right choice? I got a bad end in acting lessons and never saw it coming. I didn't pick it back up after that.

 

[zanpakuto14]

I never finished either. I couldn't believe what had just happened, happened. And then it just kept getting worse.

 

[shazba]

No nobody but the DIK's work in BaDIK, unless they're a stripper.

so Josy working at the store doesn't count?

Josy doesn't work at the store anymore, she's a college student. College students in DIKworld don't have jobs, they get their money from highly unlikely schemes or as handouts from rich people or they steal it from friends rooms. It's one of the 10,000 things that make no sense in DIKworld.

We're explicitly told the HOTs do the same sort of work the DIKs have been doing. We've all seen Lily's night job, and Beth does work in the cafeteria. It's in the background, as it should be. There's no reason to care about most students having jobs or not. It's really only Maya (and by extension Josy) where the lack of a job requires explanation.

As per Lily, you might try reading the entire conversation, not just responding to a part of it.

I read it, I just don't think it's fair to blithely dismiss examples of people working simply because they're strippers. We see other students working when that work is relevant to the story.

Because I'm OCD, here's a list of all the characters who currently have, or previously held a job:

• Alex: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Anthony: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Arieth: Nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Bella: Librarian and lecturer at B&R
• Beth: Works at the cafeteria at B&R
• Brandi: Works at the Pink Rose
• Buddy: Drug dealer
• Caleb: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Cammy: Prostitution, nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Cathy: Lecturer at B&R
• Chad: Previously nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Darius: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Dawe's family: Own and run the gym
• Dawe: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Derek: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Elena: Nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Envy: Works at the Pink Rose
• Heather: Nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Jacob: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Jade: Lecturer at B&R
• Jamie: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Jimmy: Nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• John Boy: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Josy: Worked at the minimart, nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Leon: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Lily: Works at the Pink Rose, Nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Madame: Works at the Pink Rose
• MC: Worked at the minimart, works at the library for Bella, works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Mel: Prostitution, nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Neil: Works in construction
• Nurse: Works at the aged care home
• Nick: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Patrick: We assume he works
• Pete: We assume he works
• Quinn: Drug dealer, pimp, and nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Riona: Prostitution, nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Rose: Works at the Pink Rose
• Rox: Drug dealer prior to death
• Rusty: Works at the old folks home, works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Sage: Nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Sandy: Works at the Pink Rose
• Sarah: Prostitution, nondescript jobs with the HOTs
• Stanley: Works at the Pink Rose
• Stephen: Lecturer at B&R
• Steve's dad: Runs the minimart
• Steve: Works for his dad at the minimart
• Tommy: Works at the old folks home (maybe, I think he avoids this), works at the Pink Rose and random jobs from the mansion job board.
• Troy: Previously nondescript jobs with the Alphas
• Vinny: Drug dealer

I listed everyone I could think of to show the utter magnitude of how many people work in this game.

It could be better summed up as:

• The DIKs do odd jobs to raise money
• The HOTs do odd jobs to raise money
• The Alphas do odd jobs to raise money
• All the mature adults (except those in retirement) hold jobs
• The strippers... strip
• There are some drug dealers hanging around
• And a few random others.

I think it's fair to say there's enough emphasis on people earning money.

I mean I know you are not queen fan

Not sure how you got this impression! I enjoy her character more than any of the others. But to be fair, I like all of them except I'm not a fan of the Madame (since she is lacking in personality and I find her kinda gross).

Maybe you missed my post about Quinn's touching moments with the mc (not including ep8, but given how full blown their relationship is now, it's probably no longer a big deal).

Chad's story is not over simply because it did not exhaust itself, Sage must have his apologies one way or another

you are too worried about defending BADIK so you always assume that if something hasn't happened yet it's ok, it's perfect and it will never happen again.

the same thing happened with Mona: how was it possible that Sage was working so hard for Maya and instead she didn't do anything for her stepdaughter? and in fact now we know that she's trying to contact Mona too, maybe she won't make it (I think Mona will be fundamental in cornering Burke) but it wasn't possible that she didn't try...

BADIK is still in the middle, there's all the time in the world for everything to still happen

Sage has shown she doesn't need his apology. He definitely owes it to her, and it may come out later, but as far as Sage is concerned, it's over.

Chad is the only one now who will benefit from coming clean to Sage (if he has any conscience at all, and it looks like it weighs heavily on him all the time, he knows he owes her but he's probably afraid to expose himself). If he does come clean, I can't see how that will escalate the drama, it's just closure for Chad, Sage may respect him more, but as far as the mc is concerned, it's moot. Maybe he'll have better sex with Sage? I can see how that's important!

I'm not sure why you think I'm "too worried about defending BaDIK". #1 game on this site, it needs no defence from me, I'm just discussing things. And the topic here originated from me suggesting the game is mostly a sex and comedy with petty drama and ineffectual villains strung in to propel it along.

And I think all of that is by design.

The game was inspired by college sex comedies, and they typically have ineffectual villains too. The only drama that I think would be quite upsetting and requires a resolution is Maya and her dad (especially since her dad is actively interfering in her life, as opposed to the parents who ostracise their gay offspring).

I also said I expect the second half to ramp up a bit (AL did the same, but I don't expect it to reach the same levels of extreme). I don't think Vinny will be the pushover villain the rest have been. I think he's going to be real trouble, and I think he has already been causing trouble behind the scenes (I still think he [and maybe others helping] trashed the mansion looking for something and framed the Alphas for it), I imagine he's not going to accept Quinn muscling in on his territory (the Pink Rose) very well.

But just going back a few responses ago, your major disagreement was that the previous dramas (particularly M&J not choosing a throuple and Jill accepting Tybalt's conditions) were absolutely huge. I disagree. They were just speedbumps. Just like all the drama so far.

Maybe some people playing this game are too sensitive?

 

[SirDawcio]

Another reason why focusing on Affinity instead of the story ruins it

DIK MC with Jill not being together works as a mechanic but when you pick up the pieces you start to see the illusion break.

Spoiler: This is what DIK MC says after Jill rejects him

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Spoiler: This is what DIK MC says in episode 6 and Jill's reaction

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At the end of the day I don't mind it because I can always cheat or go with neutral affinity route but the point still stands.

If DPC wanted to portray such a storyline depending on different affinities they should've really payed a lot closer attention to details like that.

Because it fits if you didn't show up to her picnic date so why not make it exclusive to CHICKs or allow DIKs to date her on different cirumstances

 

[AchedCroissant]

Does this game punish you for banging multiple people like acting lessons does? How obvious is it when you've made the right choice? I got a bad end in acting lessons and never saw it coming. I didn't pick it back up after that.

Yes, but the only girl that doesn't punish is Jill, with her you can fuck everyone if you want and she doesn't care, go get her full massive DIK with her

 

[Lightaces]

I´m sorry. I have deleted the comment.

Thank you. I wasn't expecting it, and it's alright, but I do appreciate it.

 

[Lightaces]

Who could be the daughter of this guy? At first I though she would be Sage...
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Jill isn't at the party, but lives there, so it could be her, though I'd be surprised. Ashley, Elena, Heather, Melanie, and Sarah are all upstairs. Quinn too, but it's not her. So yeah, it could be just about anyone. And of course, Arieth is at the Jock party.

 

[RukiRG]

We're explicitly told the HOTs do the same sort of work the DIKs have been doing. We've all seen Lily's night job, and Beth does work in the cafeteria. It's in the background, as it should be. There's no reason to care about most students having jobs or not. It's really only Maya (and by extension Josy) where the lack of a job requires explanation.

Beth is not a HOT... But yeah, I remember when Sage told mc at the prep party that HOTs are working sometimes... But that work means an group work, like the party earlier mentioned, not an individual full/part time job.

Zoey is a universal tool for DPC. She may turn out to be a lesbian and become Maya's lover/Josie/Sage/Jill and Bella and thus we will avoid the trap of the NTR. It will be funny that Zoey will not fight for MC with other girls, but on the contrary MC will fight for her love for the chosen one against her, lol. I imagine MC returning to the mansion and finding Zoey lying in bed with Jill. He runs away in tears to Bella. A curtain.

Hmmm... An interesting theory

Is there any theory about how Quinn is going to do this?

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You're the one with theories... How is possible to ask us about theories?

i believe on that theory
they had a son and he died at young age
james left because a lot of couples dont resist to tragedy like that (unfortunately that happens a lot in real life)
bella is still waiting for james to come home and in her head they are still married and she feels guilty for having fun with other persons

Wait... What? A son? Did I missed something?

 

[Lightaces]

Stuck at the party at HOT house, cant seem to go any farther into the story, could someone explain what I am missing?

What does the Task App say?

 

[Lightaces]

Can anyone explain the swyper convo with real Micha?

Swyper app: Micha: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1
Source from the walkthrough....

But... any playthrough she doesn't match....

That's not the real Micha - it's her plus sized friend going fishing.

 

[Lightaces]

I tried and it doesn't work, when I try to load a save the game say to me that he has detected "use of modified game data" and I cannot play because when I try to it ask me If I want to quit and leave the game ? I don't know what to do anymore.

Have you tried using the Hotfix For Cheat Save(v0.8.0)? It's amazing what you can find when you just look in the original post.

 

[ename144]

Beth is not a HOT... But yeah, I remember when Sage told mc at the prep party that HOTs are working sometimes... But that work means an group work, like the party earlier mentioned, not an individual full/part time job.

John Boy specifically mentions the HOTs doing community work:

The implication is that the HOTs are doing the same sort of "work" the DIKs do when we send them to earn money in the mansion mini-game. It just happens offscreen because no one cares when the HOTs to boring stuff fully clothed.

Wow, talk about pulling everything out of your ass . . .

The point of my post, which you obviously didn't get, is that the characters most in need of a job (MC, Maya) or Josy, an Economics Major who was depicted in the early game as a go getter who would earn at every opportunity, don't have jobs.

Yes, the MC and the other Frat/Sorority members work jobs for their respective Fraternity/Sorority, but their own personal expenses seem to be covered by mana from heaven!

As to your other examples, most seem to be very minor characters who appear in one or two scenes. How do the MC and five LI stack up.

MC who constantly whines about how poor he is only seemed to hold one job in his entire life, which he was fired from.

Maya seems to be too busy watching movies and feeling sorry for herself, so obviously she doesn't have time to work. Maybe she should just take the money from her cork board.

Josy is just completely inexplicable, in every way.

Jill is rich

Sage is rich

Of them all only Bella has a job.

But it's only your assertion that they must be getting mana from heaven. We know Bella has a job because it's plot relevant. If Sage or one of the minor characters earned their pocket money doing minimum wage work, we'd probably only know about it if we stumbled upon them working (the way we did with Beth).

Maya is the only case where the lack of a job is an actual oversight, because we KNOW she has a pressing need for money yet the topic of earning it through a job has never come up (despite the MC/Josy supposedly wanting to help her). For all the other characters, the only ones with a pressing need for money were the DIKs, and we see them start working once the MC convinces them to stand on their own two feet.

I know you guys think that the only thing necessary to make a good story is plenty of porn scenes and watermelon jokes. Maybe that explains the general poor quality of creative content that is churned out today. Some of us though demand a higher standard, a story that we can become immersed in that isn't constantly jarring us out of that immersion with patently ridiculous situations.

It goes both ways. We shouldn't be afraid to criticize the story for its shortcomings, but we don't need to castigate it for flaws that can be easily explained away in game.

 

[Qianke]

I understand why this game is popular

 

[kalar]

this is perfect

 

[Lightaces]

Maya is the only case where the lack of a job is an actual oversight, because we KNOW she has a pressing need for money yet the topic of earning it through a job has never come up (despite the MC/Josy supposedly wanting to help her). For all the other characters, the only ones with a pressing need for money were the DIKs, and we see them start working once the MC convinces them to stand on their own two feet.

It's not an over-site. Her father wouldn't let her get a job, before she went to school, and probably (now that he has power over her loan) won't let her get one now. This is specifically stated in the flashback scene where she is camping with Derek and Josy. Josy tells her something like, "I think I'm gonna get a job next summer so I can earn some pocket money for school, maybe you should get a job!" and Maya says something like, "no, my dad wouldn't let me do that, because taking us caravaning is too important to him." (Just paraphrasing here, not exact quotes.)

 

[sixart]

Some of us though demand a higher standard, a story that we can become immersed in that isn't constantly jarring us out of that immersion with patently ridiculous situations.

Since that is the case I urge you to become lightning fast a game developer and put something " better " on the table ! You obviosly think poorly of this VN so guess it's just fair to give you a chance to prove your point with a product of your own... I'm not using terms like THE BEST or NO.1 or THE WORST or whatever... I just keep it simple with I like it or I don't like it... sooo... impress me ! Or anyone else beside me ! I've got a few years left in me so I will keep an eye out for your future product ! Who knows you might become even better at it than DPC ! Sure as shit blood transfusion works wonders every now and then ! ......... but back to reality and it's clear as day that's a " Nah ! That will never happen... " from the get go which leaves your criticism as poor as poorly you think of said product !

Wow, talk about pulling everything out of your ass . . .

That little list of yours especially when you turn your attention to personal expenses just shows how little you know about relevant and non relevant content let alone stating something like this...

seem to be covered by mana from heaven!

Dude ! Back to the dream where I witness YOUR masterpiece... just one thing please... make sure I stay awake for the whole thing or better ( or worse ? ) yet don't die of boredom !

What you don't see in this VN is not necessarily NOT HAPPENING ! Just have to use your own imagination ( a liiiiitle bit really ) for once or twice... might be too much to ask of the players ! Or it's just you...

 

[ename144]

It's not an over-site. Her father wouldn't let her get a job, before she went to school, and probably (now that he has power over her loan) won't let her get one now. This is specifically stated in the flashback scene where she is camping with Derek and Josy. Josy tells her something like, "I think I'm gonna get a job next summer so I can earn some pocket money for school, maybe you should get a job!" and Maya says something like, "no, my dad wouldn't let me do that, because taking us caravaning is too important to him." (Just paraphrasing here, not exact quotes.)

Right, but that's an excuse for why she didn't have a job prior to the game. If Maya is defying her father to be with Josy (or move in with a sorority!), there's no reason she couldn't get a job as well. It might not solve the problem immediately, but it could let her hire a lawyer or at least shorten the time she's under his thumb.

Her dad isn't watching her THAT closely, or else we'd never have gotten any of her lewd scenes in Season 2.

Since that is the case I urge you to become lightning fast a game developer and put something " better " on the table ! You obviosly think poorly of this VN so guess it's just fair to give you a chance to prove your point with a product of your own... I'm not using terms like THE BEST or NO.1 or THE WORST or whatever... I just keep it simple with I like it or I don't like it... sooo... impress me ! Or anyone else beside me ! I've got a few years left in me so I will keep an eye out for your future product ! Who knows you might become even better at it than DPC ! Sure as shit blood transfusion works wonders every now and then ! ......... but back to reality and it's clear as day that's a " Nah ! That will never happen... " from the get go which leaves your criticism as poor as poorly you think of said product !

Nonsense. We don't have to be expert game designers to criticize flaws in a game. If you have issues with DavDR's - or anyone else's - critiques, counter the critiques. Don't worry about the critic's resume.

 

[Laport Deminis]

Nonsense. We don't have to be expert game designers to criticize flaws in a game. If you have issues with DavDR's - or anyone else's - critiques, counter the critiques. Don't worry about the critic's resume.

ename, you and shazba can have a super-human patience to deal with him. But when someone end his comment with " I know you guys think that the only thing necessary to make a good story is plenty of porn scenes and watermelon jokes. ", then is not sixart who is making it personal.

When on top of that our pretentious polemist add to the combo, a general flat ignorance about thoose "higher standard" he pretends to enjoy and the moral virtues of....

Anyway. I get you enjoy talking to him but dont put the blame on an inocent guy.

 

[Lightaces]

Right, but that's an excuse for why she didn't have a job prior to the game. If Maya is defying her father to be with Josy (or move in with a sorority!), there's no reason she couldn't get a job as well. It might not solve the problem immediately, but it could let her hire a lawyer or at least shorten the time she's under his thumb.

Her dad isn't watching her THAT closely, or else we'd never have gotten any of her lewd scenes in Season 2.

None of that really matters, since there is NO job a college student is going to get, except for some kind of sex work, which is going to pay well enough to cover tuition. In order to pay the average yearly cost of college in the US while being paid minimum wage, you would need to work 60 hours a week WHILE ALSO STUDYING. And that doesn't include housing, food, clothing, any kind of leisure activity (not that you'd have the time.) And paying for college is the only thing which would be worth the effort for Maya. Anything else, and why bother?

I have a very hard time seeing Maya working as a stripper or prostitute, so sex work is probably right out. MAYBE she could handle doing cam work, or a fairly limited Only Fans, but I doubt it.