VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

It really isn't. The main mechanism for relationships is the actions we pick. Quinn and Jill are hard-locked against certain affinities, but they're the exceptions; even M/J is only locked against DIK at a single point.

Affinity is highly visible so people tend to think of the game as having distinct DIK and CHICK routes, but I'd say it's more like a flavor that can be added to the actual paths. It's significant, but not definitive. And Status barely does anything beyond coarsen the MC's dialog these days.

I mean... I don't agree.

Maya and Josy closed in an absolute and clear way only by affinity (the case in which you don't have sex with both of them means that you are not interested in them so it doesn't count)

Quinn and Jill do not depend only on affinity, but it is still a sufficient condition to be excluded

the only breakup in which affinity plays no role is Bella, and in fact it is the least dramatic of all, the least punitive

then I agree that it cannot be used as a key to decipher characters' behaviors, as it does not characterize in any way even MC, who is not changing behavior according to his affinity (at least before the blocked affinity) but is simply a prejudice with which he has to constantly deal with

the status doesn't count absolutely nothing, it counts even less than the RPs

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Someone did a full Jill run with only taking care of Sage instead of going to the picnic with her and she still went full Ape Shit on MC for no reason.

I also made a full Jill run (no other) and yesterday I loaded the save before the picnic and chose to go to Sage, and played to the restaurant scene and she only told me she was sorry, she wasn't ready for this, she was unsure about us and that we should just be friends. So obviously that person's full Jill run wasn't completely full Jill.

 

[AchedCroissant]

No it will be scenes of Zoey riding that stupid skateboard and falling off it with her stupid hat.

AchedCroissant is already erect due to this preview.

Funny

 

[Walter Victor]

IMO, the pregnancy test I think is related to either Derek or Tommy (Ashley or Heather). Though, it might be also a flashback screen to when Bella was pregnant, which would explain the locked room and the weird small mirror in her bathroom.

Well, who knows? Maybe Wendy is pregnant from Derek? There was something in Hells Week! I don't think he used a condom.

Derek with Ashley or Wendy is entirely possible. Ashley is naive enough to not protect herself properly. And Wendy and birth control? Why would she need it? It's not every day that some guy HAS to have sex with a feminist. Tommy with Heather, though, not so much. I think she's too world-wise to get pregnant if she doesn't want to, and I see nothing in the game that would indicate that she is ready for motherhood yet. She's actually quite focused on her studies, and pregnancy would create severe problems in that regard.

Magnar with Sally was another possibility I've considered. It would explain her attitude at the dorm party.

I do believe we can definitively rule out the 5 principal LI's. The pregnancy test is in every possible path. But, the MC doesn't have to have sex, much less cum inside, with any of the 5. And none of those girls is likely to have had sex with any male other than the MC since the start of the game. Sage and Chad haven't had sex for a while at least; Josy is only interested in the MC and Maya; Maya is a lesbian who has never touched a boy; Bella is still waiting for John and only has thoughts about another man IF she is turned on by the MC; Jill is a professional virgin. I know people have come up with theories about all that being lies, but come on... really?

I do think the 'flashback' theory has merit, though. It is exactly the type of thing our beloved developer could throw at us.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

You have a thought error though. If Jill was such a good person and felt something honestly for the MC, Jill could have suggested another date to the MC, which she did not.

You also note that Jill doesn't even know that the MC helped his sick friend Sage. Jill doesn't even give the MC a chance to explain why he couldn't have a date with Jill.

Conclusion: Jill doesn't even want to share the MC with friends. Mmmmhhh. What is Jill accusing Tybalt of? That he wants to control which friends Jill can date. Double standard on Jill's part. Jill and Tybalt deserve each other.

Jill can't be seen with the MC thanks to Tybalt. She dates someone she despises to protect the MC. And if you did go on the date with her she takes the MC to meet her friends, something she had never done with any other guy before.

I think you're missing the point, Jill wasn't upset that the MC couldn't go on the picnic date with her so there was no reason to explain. But since he didn't, they never had that special moment. And Jill didn't know they would have a special moment that would alter their relationship so why would she hold that against him? And she couldn't plan another date with him because of Tybalt.

 

[Toohat]

I know she’s a royal but honestly I don’t want a lewd scene with Maya’s grandmother.

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Derek already fucked a granny and that was one too many.

fuck...now i wanna play a maya game

 

[Lostanddamned]

Funny
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Do I look like a snowflake a.k.a Jill Stan to you that you think that NTR would trigger me? I'm disappointed.



Besides, Zoey falling off the skateboard and her stupid hat falling off would be hilarious to watch.

 

[NewTricks]

To add my 2 cents to the affinity/status debate it does matter. I wouldn't advocate playing with the cheat mod for a number of reasons, but one useful functionality of it is to see that your decisions have completely different effects given your status at the time you make a decision. For example, early in the game with DIK status giving a compliment to Josi, Maya, or Jill has an opposite effect than if you have neutral or chick affinity. It dries them out like you wouldn't believe. If you have DIK affinity with Bella, however, It is much easier to max her affection points. When it comes to the DIK/Chick affinity, there are specific checkpoints where your relationships can be scuttled, most notoriously in the library with Maya and Josi. There are others, though, especially with Jill. Bella seems fairly agnostic to your affinity although she will respond to your status. She is the odd duck in the pond. Basically, the only way to ruin the romance with her is to leave panties in her car. Sage can be had regardless of your affinity but you can reject her at multiple points. It is possible to ruin all the romances and be left with only the "others" choice during relationship montage but it is pretty funny because it ends up being a slideshow of random ass (Mine had Quinn, Riona, Camilla, Envy, and fucking Sarah). So the premise that affinity and status play no role is not correct. The argument of whether it plays too great a role and ruins immersion, however, would be an interesting discussion.

 

[Lostanddamned]

I do think the 'flashback' theory has merit, though. It is exactly the type of thing our beloved developer could throw at us.

If he really goes for the flashback, it's going to fill in holes that were glaringly obvious in Bella's story. At the moment, I don't think DPC knows what he wants to do with the story. So you can say that he's testing the waters, unsure if he really wants to write something really dark that won't fit in the story and at the same time not be a one trick pony that pulls off the same trick two games in a row.

 

[PlayerUnknown47]

2022 !

Thank you for these details

 

[sixart]

Read my last paragraph again!

Nope

 

[PashafromRussia]

You fuck every chick on campus at every opportunity
You beat Tybalt's face and give him a reason for blackmail
You took a picture of your dick on Tybalt's phone
You Beat Troy to a pulp
You Stole money

BUT

DID YOU GO ON A DATE WITH JILL



It's just ridiculous. You can behave like a complete Dik, fight, drink and fuck and be the one whom Jill despises, but if MC goes on a date with her in episode 6, she is ready to jump on your dick like the last whore.
If you behave like the last bastard in relation to others, she doesn't care. But God forbid you go feed the horses with her.

 

[sixart]

Thank you for these details
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You got your projected release dates since months now... you know the projected release date ( approx ) of Interlude... so where does this cause an insurmountable problem to count it out for yourself(s) ? Expect October and you might have a pleasant surprise...

 

[NewTricks]

You fuck every chick on campus at every opportunity
You beat Tybalt's face and give him a reason for blackmail
You took a picture of your dick on Tybalt's phone
You Beat Troy to a pulp
You Stole money

BUT

DID YOU GO ON A DATE WITH JILL

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It's just ridiculous. You can behave like a complete Dik, fight, drink and fuck and be the one whom Jill despises, but if MC goes on a date with her in episode 6, she is ready to jump on your dick like the last whore.
If you behave like the last bastard in relation to others, she doesn't care. But God forbid you go feed the horses with her.

False. DIK affinity will prevent her from asking you on the date in the first place. It will also checkpoint you again if you interrupt the dinner in that affinity. To get her at neutral affinity you will have needed to rack up some good boy points somewhere.

 

[PashafromRussia]

False. DIK affinity will prevent her from asking you on the date in the first place. It will also checkpoint you again if you interrupt the dinner in that affinity. To get her at neutral affinity you will have needed to rack up some good boy points somewhere.

It's not that hard. You can easily maintain neutrality.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. Jill was borderline obsessed with the MC if he kissed her during their date, to the point she briefly considered going farther with him at Bella's house in Episode 5. But then in Episode 6 she completely cuts off contact with him because she wants to protect him from Tybalt. She changes her mind again when she learns it's his birthday. But she expects him to be up for a surprise party at the drop of a hat: bear in mind she didn't even know he had no classes that day!

She doesn't expect him, she hopes he's free. Sure, she gets disappointed but not at him.

When someone's falling in love, they don't act rationally. Suddenly they get all the butterflies and desire. I find her reaction very believable. And the only reason she stopped was because Tybalt blackmails her.

If the MC complies, Jill explains the Tybalt situation and is right back to obsessing over the MC. But if the MC isn't free, there's no discussion of rescheduling; Jill simply writes the guy off forever. During their Episode 7 conversation on Monday (3 days later), she'll still explain the Tybalt situation but stonewalls the MC when he attempts to pick up where they left off.
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Again, because of Tybalt who threatens to accuse the MC of arson. She doesn't dare to go on a date with him.

Again, the reason the MC hasn't seen her much is that she's been avoiding him! When he goes on to climb the balcony to see her after tennis, she can't accept it because "something about this feels off." When he reveals he's been practicing her song for weeks and helps her at the concert, then runs across the city to get her out of the mess she put herself in, she just shoots him down.

Because they never had that special moment together at the picnic. The moment that made her realize he was right for her. You can't reschedule a moment like that, because you don't know you would have it. What you want is that Jill chooses the MC without the moment that made her realize he was right for her. That she ignores her own feelings because that's what you want. But that's not how reality works.

Let's say you met a girl. You are interested in each other. She comes to your door one day to surprise you but you don't have the time so you can't spend the time together. What you don't know is that that date would have had the special moment when she realized you were right for her. After that, smaller things happen but nothing that gives her the same realization so after a few weeks she decides it doesn't feel right and gives up.
Would you blame her for not feeling the way you want her to feel? Would you blame it on that date you never had and on her for not having that moment another time?
You can't force a person to fall in love with you at the time of your choosing. A missed moment can make or break a relationship.

 

[PlayerUnknown47]

What's it to you where I come from... ( and WHO MAKES YOU ??? )

I get it now your english lacks seriously since you did not checked properly what you wrote NOW and you did not checked your words here either...

Since you can't take the joke... look for it a little and you shall find something

I don't think she liked your humor Issou. She asks for the impossible and then tries to make up for her mistake.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

The thing is, she already very much enjoys the mc's company. She already likes him a lot. There are, however, red flags in the relationship (him getting into fights, pranking the preps, fucking heaps of other women).

There easily could have been other dates, but she decided to end it all because he turned her down once. The mc wasn't asking her to marry him...

No, she ends it because nothing happens between them that makes her feel he's the right for her because they never had that special moment.
You give many reasons for her to be unsure. So, take away the moment that erased most of those red flags for her and put in a blackmailing to hinder them from having another date, what do you have?
Like I said, she didn't KNOW that date would be the one that made her realize the MC was right for her and you can't reschedule a special moment that you don't even know would have happened.

 

[vogelbeest]

People here ask questions and wait for answers!

So where is that lazy staff dude/dudette with all the answers??? I'm not paying him/her for nothing!
Oh wait... there is no staff for answering here.... Ah well, i wasn't paying anyway....

 

[sixart]

I don't think she liked your humor Issou. She asks for the impossible and then tries to make up for her mistake.

That's something he/she has to come to terms on his/her own !