VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

I feel used...

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.

I just dont get it how you dont get it??? And you are smart dude! And gosh darnit, I agree with the gist of what you are saying. I truly do. I actually love the way you break the game's characters, their motivations and shit in your long worded posts. But ... the simple truth is this: DPC designed the game in a way where you can actually play like a DIK and still get Jill. Without mods or cheating you can balance the game to have a solid amount of sex with other girls, you can beat the shit out of other people, humiliate them even, hell you can even choose to NOT help Jill during one the most important moments in her life (Concert). And Jill ignores all that and accepts you as a boyfriend, has sex with you. All you had to do was be a major DIK to a sick friend and little Jillybean is happy. It feels out of character.

That picnic variable has to much power. On the other hand you can devote your entire playthrough to her, max the chick stats, be her knight in shining armor during the concert, but god forbid you choose to take care of your sick friend, then Jillybean moans that you were not there for her more often. It just bad game design for that particular choice. Period.

I mean you can stan some more for DPC instead admitting that he is just a human being like the rest of us capable of making mistakes. Burning mistakes actually.

Unless... you are DPC!
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Or Jill AI herself that somehow became conscious and is now spending her time on porn forum where it all began.
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Anyway, hope you see what Kellerman and I tried to communicate. Peace.

I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

 

[Bendover885]

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.



I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

I agree. The concert was more of a 'Hallmark movie' moment for Jill. The picnic, while trying to have a The Notebook feel, could have been done in a less sentimental way.

 

[ChipLecsap]

You are supposed to visit me for this feeling.



I used to think it a design mistake such as forgetting to add in a failsafe variable, but it is clear to me now that DPC wanted it this way with Jill from the beginning. He does the same thing with other girls (one false selection and you're out). A good example is with Bella and the Cathy blowjob. It is one of the most critical decisions you can make with Bella's route. That one, however, is completely reasonable and understandable. Of course Bella is not going to want to have a relationship with you if you are getting sucked off by rival MILfs. I receive exactly what I deserve with that choice.

Getting back to Jill, however, it is not so much the picnic itself that irritates me, as it is the concert. That concert is long established as one of Jill's primary personal concerns (the other being: helping those in need, *ahem* you know, like an appointment to a sick person!). And I practiced that stupid fucking song for an entire season. It is the concert, not a spur of the moment picnic that can be thrown together in 10 minutes, that should be the critical decision in Jill's path. If a woman can't love you after being her personal saviour at her moment of greatest need in a romantic concert setting then she is incapable of love. (#INowStandWithRusty, #RustyDidNothingWrong). But then to callously cast MC aside after his noble display at said concert is a Quinn level of non-broccoli pure evil.
An evil Jill might be nice to have now that I think about it.
As long as she does anal.

But why then did DPC not use the concert as the defining moment? Well because there is not enough drama in that decision. it is too easy. It needed to be something juicer, in particular a choice between two women (a favoured tactic of DPC). And that is why he made the picnic and not concert the watershed moment in Jill's route.

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

 

[Kellermann]

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

I know the concert doesn't matter in code, that is exactly what I have been talking about.
And what does practicing the song have to do with telling her I can't go to the horse field at that exact moment because already committed to helping a sick friend? How often do you show up at someone's doorstep and ask them to immediately go somewhere and then cut friendship or romantic ties because they tell you that that already made plans for that day...to do something helpful btw.

 

[gamer8000]

Now in Season 3 now that MC has a girlfriend it would be a great time to add NTR.

NTR never a great idea

 

[ChipLecsap]

I know the concert doesn't matter in code, that is exactly what I have been talking about.
And what does practicing the song have to do with telling her I can't go to the horse field at that exact moment because already committed to helping a sick friend? How often do you show up at someone's doorstep and ask them to immediately go somewhere and then cut friendship or romantic ties because they tell you that that already made plans for that day...to do something helpful btw.

if it was Derek who you have to put wieners on his head, everyone would choose Jill without a heart beat,
"Sorry bro, something come up" - And everyone would just go, to try bang Jill who showed up all sexy, asking you out for a private date.

 

[Kellermann]

if it was Derek who you have to put wieners on his head, everyone would choose Jill without a heart beat,
"Sorry bro, something come up" - And everyone would just go, to try bang Jill who showed up all sexy, asking you out for a private date.

Have you been drinking? You're not making any sense.

 

[ChipLecsap]

Have you been drinking? You're not making any sense.

shazba method, cleary not working, so I decided to use the more simple obvious methods.

 

[Darkwen]

I know the concert doesn't matter in code, that is exactly what I have been talking about.
And what does practicing the song have to do with telling her I can't go to the horse field at that exact moment because already committed to helping a sick friend? How often do you show up at someone's doorstep and ask them to immediately go somewhere and then cut friendship or romantic ties because they tell you that that already made plans for that day...to do something helpful btw.

Wouldn't we need to see season 3 or at least the next EP first I don't think DPC is just going to leave clues that big out in the open but maybe i'm wrong. As for the whole help Sage or date with Jill thing. They all have a prefect right to be upset MC can be upset because he already said he was going to help Sage and Jill comes up out of nowhere. Jill has every right to be upset because she took the time to plan something for the MC and he turns her down now I will add she could had text MC to see if he's doing anything. Jill still has a right to be upset about MC helping Sage even if he is doing a good thing after all the other HoT's can do what the MC did and plus Jill has no reason to give a fuck about Sage any way. And Sage has a right to be mad well mostly because she always mad

 

[MickCoke42]

I went into this 3 days ago - the animations are great, but damn do they pale in the comparison to the plot.

I Want season 3 now, I can't wait to continue the story - by far one of the most captivating games ive played, be it adult or otherwise

 

[ChipLecsap]

Wouldn't we need to see season 3 or at least the next EP first I don't think DPC is just going to leave clues that big out in the open but maybe i'm wrong. As for the whole help Sage or date with Jill thing. They all have a prefect right to be upset MC can be upset because he already said he was going to help Sage and Jill comes up out of nowhere. Jill has every right to be upset because she took the time to plan something for the MC and he turns her down now I will add she could had text MC to see if he's doing anything. Jill still has a right to be upset about MC helping Sage even if he is doing a good thing after all the other HoT's can do what the MC did and plus Jill has no reason to give a fuck about Sage any way. And Sage has a right to be mad well mostly because she always mad

True. 2 Thing however.
1, Technically, MC or more properly, the players are the one who put themself into this mess in the first place by pursuing multiple girls
and 2 , Sage is not mad about it.
for her the big deal breaker moment probably gonna be, when Chad secret gets out for public, and whether she already knew about it because MC told her, or She gonna be the last to find out, because MC kept from her, is gonna be the big deal

 

[sixart]

They all have a prefect right to be upset MC can be upset because he already said he was going to help Sage and Jill comes up out of nowhere.

Well... it's not about being upset or not... Jill just chooses not to engage in a relationship with you...

Technically, MC or more properly, the players are the one who put themself into this mess in the first place by pursuing multiple girls

And here ends this nonsense story...

 

[ename144]

In chapter 4, if MC ask her refuge when he freaked out, she the only one that tried to make him see reason

Without asking to much details

I don't think Bella is unique in that. As I recall, Derek explicitly calls the MC a snowflake (during their conversation at the start of Episode 4 when Bert is trying to sleep), and then implies he needs to slow down and figure out what he wants from his relationships. That's more or less the same advice Bella gives (just delivered more crudely).

Sage is the only one who (mostly) ignores the MC's problem while hosting him. She does suggest the MC should move on from whatever happened with Maya when they're talking in the HOT pool, but that's about it. Then again, Sage is also the only one who doesn't know the details of why the MC needs a place to crash: the MC doesn't tell her and she's willing to respect his privacy. So she'd have the hardest time giving useful advice. She does at least work hard to keep the MC's mind off his problems to make up for it.

Fuck! You're like the only other dude here who gets it (maybe sixart, but he's meming so hard these days I don't always follow his gist )

There's more than one variable at play here. Porn game logic (choose the bitch you wanna fuck), real life logic (maybe she'll understand... wtf, I said real life logic... ) and then Chick/DIK logic (Jill digs chicky guys). None of that says she must act a certain way otherwise it's bad game design.

Sadly, the picnic fails under two of those logics and I don't think the third is valid.

The Porn Game logic fails because this 'decision' is a meta-game slam dunk: Sage doesn't care, Jill does - end of story. Sure, Sage has the better case in-game, but everyone and their mother landlady knew to reload after they saw how Jill reacted in Episode 7. Judging purely by lewd scenes, Sage's option is a complete waste of time. [EDIT: Well, LI lewd scenes; side-girls are another matter.]

The DIK/CHICK logic fails because ditching a sick friend to get into a girl's pants SHOULD be the sort of thing that gives you DIK points. Even if Jill is upset in the heat of the moment, she ought to get over that fast once she realizes the MC is still interested in her and really was looking out for someone in need. Likewise, the most Jill-compatible MCs should be the ones most bothered by the idea of backing out on Sage after agreeing to help her, and the ones most eager to make it up to Jill ASAP. Except thanks to DPC's industrial-strength railroad ties, Jill loses all interest in the MC at that moment and the MC is content to be ignored no matter how interested we are in Jill.

So 'Real Life' logic is the only leg the game has to stand on, and I have to object to that because... this game isn't real life. In real life our actions can be entirely inconsequential, but in a game we have every right to expect our actions to matter. That is the very reason we *play* a *game* instead of reading a book or watching a movie. Justifying Jill's convoluted troll-logic on the grounds that random shit happens in real life is entirely missing the point.

Besides, even if we allow the 'real life' justification, Jill's behavior is still idiotic. She is very clearly interested in the MC, that's why she set up the picnic as an excuse to interact with him. She should still be at least a little interested in him even if the picnic fails, yet as Kellermann points out, no amount of manly tennis, romantic balcony climbing and heroic guitar recitals can rekindle the flame. It honestly makes me wonder what would have happened if the MC had been born in March. Would Jill pigeon-hole the MC forever waiting for a 'perfect sign' that makes sense only to herself? Or would she have dropped any pretense and directly berated the MC for "letting" her force him to ignore her?

No, the plain and simple truth is that in the real world, Jill would merely be a self-centered person with unrealistic expectations for her would-be paramours and we'd be better off without her. You'll forgive me if I'd prefer a bit of fun escapism in my porn games.

if it was Derek who you have to put wieners on his head, everyone would choose Jill without a heart beat,
"Sorry bro, something come up" - And everyone would just go, to try bang Jill who showed up all sexy, asking you out for a private date.

I disagree - assuming Derek really was sick and not just using a sniffle as an excuse to goof off. My main run already turned down both Sage and Jill so it's not like I was getting sex out of it either way, but I still think helping Sage is the right call simply because she needs immediate help and asked for it first; Jill's picnic can and should wait. That wouldn't change if Derek took Sage's role. The fundamental problem is that Jill's picnic request isn't reasonable.

It's actually so unreasonable that I'm honestly not sure if I'd have continued my solo-Jill run if it wasn't possible to avoid talking with Sage (and thus never 'knowing' she needed help). Sure, I'd miss out on her content in Season 3, but there are plenty of other games where I skip all sorts of content that doesn't appeal to me. My guess is that BaDIK would have become another of them.

 

[DarkKiller]

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

But then again, you can flip that coin and keep looping this never ending argument.
You can say that MC is willing to do basically anything for Jill, even practicing a song and play with her in a recital, but the one time he doesn't choose her over anything else she tells him to fuck off.
I can understand both sides of this argument and I honestly can't tell which one makes more sense, but one thing is for certain, this will keep being discussed until after the game is complete...

 

[LizaS]

In Season 3 now that MC has a girlfriend it would be a great time to add NTR.

 

[gamer8000]

cleaning the club, need to find 4 things. 10mins clicking all over found 3, should be a better way doing this

 

[StreamSteam]

 

[ChipLecsap]

I disagree - assuming Derek really was sick and not just using a sniffle as an excuse to goof off. My main run already turned down both Sage and Jill so it's not like I was getting sex out of it either way, but I still think helping Sage is the right call simply because she needs immediate help and asked for it first; Jill's picnic can and should wait. That wouldn't change if Derek took Sage's role. The fundamental problem is that Jill's picnic request isn't reasonable.

She having a flu, All she need is a handkerchief and coldrex , and she is in a place with full of friends around her.
The only thing that is annoying about this, is that MC automatically tell her, he gonna visit her.
I don't know why folks make it this to be bigger than what it is. Girl you like show, up, ask you out on a date, you reject her, and she took it as you are not interested in her, simple.

If it was Mc's father who is sick, and Jill not understanding, I total get you point, but Sage is just a random girl , MC dating with multiple girls, Jill know this. She might simply not belive this and see it as an exuse.

And I know, it's not only unheard but it never even ever happened, that someone cancels a previous plan, over a better opportunity.

 

[Oliver Wendell Homely]

But the concert does not matter. I know, it's hard to accept it, but whether she succeed or fail, does not matter.
But that is funny, that you are willing to practice a Fucking song for her, in multiple time, but The one time she ask you out on a date you reject her for some misguided greater good

I wonder if later on in a future episode, whether or not you helped her will have an impact on a Jill-focused playthrough. I could imagine this resurfacing later in an MC-Jill argument or at some other moment of crisis. It seems such a pivotal story point for her as a character that it seems rather incredible it won't ever have some impact.

 

[sixart]

You can say that MC is willing to do basically anything for Jill, even practicing a song and play with her in a recital

Wow ! You make this sound like you would perform a live animal sacrifice during some dark chant... you are either interested in her or you are not...

but the one time he doesn't choose her over anything else she tells him to fuck off

Nope That's what folks read into this but actually what happens is she rejects you... man usually take this very very badly since their pride an' all

this will keep being discussed until after the game is complete...

You are probably right with this remark... though as for why is beyond me !?! One side takes their game theory as canon the other takes real life... where do these two actually meet ? ( in this case )

I wonder if later on in a future episode, whether or not you helped her will have an impact on a Jill-focused playthrough. I could imagine this resurfacing later in an MC-Jill argument or at some other moment of crisis

It doesn't make too much sense... Jill focused ? Why Sage ? If Sage no Jill... what argument could there be when nothing happened ? Maybe some kisses here and there... but that wouldn't result something like this... maybe in a spanish ( speaking ) telenovela