shazba

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Have you ever heard about prospective customers? And can you realize that a business with your mindset would go bankrupt in the long run because it will have less and less customers over time, with only boot-licking-centered customers left? And I'm not even talking about disgruntled former customers yet ... Yeah... Because former customers have the right to be disgruntled about businesses that didn't meet their expectations or even treated them badly... That's how life works...
Remember though, he started making these games as a hobby. Hardly any of the AVN developers can afford to quit their full time jobs, so it's not likely that was his goal, until it started looking like that was a possibility.

Being able to go fulltime is a bonus, getting paid to do something you were gonna do anyway.

But if he starts to worry about waning customers, it'll influence his creation, and that runs the risk of being disappointed with the final outcome.

If the game takes another 4-7 years (7 episodes remaining at who knows how many episodes per year at this point), the Patreon and Steam income will have provided him a retirement nest egg, not to mention what he's already put away leading up to this point.

From a financial perspective, he can do no wrong at this point, unless he's started living the highlife and needs to keep earning 300K a year to maintain it...
 
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I'm doing that too so it's not a critique but just a comment... Is it that expensive now? Because, when I subscribed to play the episodes unavailable at Steam (I bought season 1 there, and there was up to episode 7 on Patreon), I paid $10 bucks for everything and even got Acting Lessons as a bonus.
It all depends on your patience. If you're willing to be patient, he releases an update for low-tier patrons after a certain amount of time. If you are ready to wait two weeks, you will spend only $5.
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But if you want the game RIGHT NOW at the time of release - pay $25 :HideThePain:
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**EPISODE 8**

* 10/22/2021 – Final status update / Start of beta testing
* 02/11/2021 – Final preview released
* 03/11/2021 – Beta testing status report
* 09/11/2021 – Release date announced
* 19/11/2021 – Episode 8 released

Historically, there is about 1 month between when DPC announces beta testing starting and the episode being released. If we are hopeful that the animations will be on the faster side of the 4-5 weeks, that puts us at the status update for 02/12/2022.

If that turns out to be when he announces beta testing, it is feasible that a January 2023 release is possible. I think a lot of the initial testing will be internal during this month of render time and so hopefully the work load for his beta testers will be smaller, however this is still the largest update to date and with an assumed huge number of variables due to the new path system. We could be looking at a normal to long beta test period.
Just going to steal my post whole cloth and not give any credit? Alright, alright...
 
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I started a new playthrough from the beginning, and I had forgotten how grainy the images were. Even in season 2, they look bad for today's standards.
I had also forgotten that Quinn surprise-kissed Maya in a pool scene, when Maya was trying to change mothers.
 

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Sorry, but I beg to differ on this one... The fact someone does something while keeping a job doesn't necessarily mean it's a hobby. Of course, it could be, but then DPC would donate his hobby to mankind. This is not what DPC is doing. He's asking for money to do it and doesn't even give the final product, as some devs do, but sells it on Steam and other stores. So he kept his job out of necessity while doing the best entrepreneurship he thought he could do while still a slave to the grind.

About his intentions, one can only speculate... You say it wasn't his plan, but I'd rather bet that living out of it was his plan since the beginning. That's what every entrepreneur hopes for. Of course, his rhetoric is another thing, but, as a quote I read says, "a man is not what he says but what he does". DPC is a very smart man and knows how to sell his product, manage his brand, and keep his following. It doesn't mean we shouldn't take his words as a case of branding as we do with every other capitalist business on the face of the Earth.

P.S.: I have no comments about his financial situation, but, according to average estimates, he's earning ~50k/month, which means that, even if he's saving half of it for retirement, he may be living a 300k/year lifestyle. Mind though that 300k a year in some parts of the world is not that much... According to people in this forum, he lives in Sweden, which is an expensive country (and don't forget about Scandinavian tax rates)... And he may have a family, which means 300k/year would mean even less (I know he has a wife because he commented on Patreon... He may also have children...). His earnings put him in the upper class but do not make him uber-rich... And he only reached 10k patrons in 2021. Until 2020 he was the average successful AVN entrepreneur with about 3k patrons, and this was the year he boomed. So his 300k lifestyle (halved after Scandinavian taxes) is recent news.
Graphtreon calculates his earnings to be between 29K and 85K.

I did an independent correlation with other games that reveal their earnings a while back, and came up with 30K - 80K.

Taken from random internet sources:

"A person working in Sweden typically earns around 45,100 SEK per month. Salaries range from 11,400 SEK (lowest average) to 201,000 SEK (highest average, actual maximum salary is higher)."

DPC's earning fall between 330,000 SEK and 550,000 SEK month. So even taking the most conservative estimate of his earnings, he's smashing the high average salary in Sweden.

Even 2 years ago, when he only had around 5,000 subscribers, that's still between 140K SEK and 350K SEK.

So unless his living expenses have ballooned commensurate with his new income (and I accept, a lot of people simply spend whatever they earn, no matter how much it is), DPC is probably very, very well off.

And if he falls back down to 5K subscribers, he's still gonna be earning a very decent wage. The point being, he doesn't need to panic if he starts losing some customers, and even if they trickle down to 0 across the next 5 years, depending on his age, he'd could probably retire comfortable anyway.

Slightly separate not: I'll be very interested to see where his subscriber count spikes to this next release though. Will it even exceed his 17K count? Was COVID a big part in the success of ANVs over the last few years? :unsure:
 
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shazba

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I completely agree with you, but mind that I said he's upper class; I was just saying he ain't über-rich, like, Hollywood-style celebrity rich. For Swedish standards, he's like a super CEO (also from an Internet source: "The average pay for a CEO is SEK 2,091,571 a year and SEK 1,006 an hour in Sweden. The average salary range for a CEO is between SEK 1,248,668 and SEK 3,459,459", which roughly is between US$10k~US$25k/month). So, taking the average of Graphtreon, he's beating the top average Swedish CEO by ~ two times (but CEOs get bonus, so he's probably just like a top Swedish CEO). This puts him in the upper class, top upper class, very comfortable, but not über-rich. And Sweden is a very egalitarian country; if it were in the US, he'd be an average CEO even after making the adjustments between USD and SEK. And let's not forget about Sweden high taxes... And people standards of living also grow as they earn more (even more likely when you have a wife...) So, yeah... He can live quite comfortably, but he also can't be negligent about his future finances, like any CEO...

As for you other comment, I don't think he'll beat his previous record (but it's just a hunch... I may be wrong...), but I don't think it'll be COVID related... Of course, people staying at home made people look for things to do at home, but I think most of the AVNs audience was already interested in gaming, and before COVID there were already AVN's success cases. COVID may have helped a li'l, but I think it was just a small amount and, as there were AVNs before, there will still be AVNs after COVID...
I don't think he'll top his November 21 tally either, you could see for that year the subscribers just kept rising until the release when it spiked hard, whereas this time around, they've just kept slowly falling, there'll surely be a spike, but probably not as much.

What I am hanging out for though, is a fantastic episode 9. Recent top tier games' (from this site anyway) updates have been rather disappointing of late, with limited content and minimal payoff.
 
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This thread between updates is painful, you have a lot of shit that can be discussed every Episode yet the conversation always revolves around why does Zoey even exist, Maya's tuition, Jill is a goblin, the goddamn milking or how the Interlude is the worst thing ever.

I tend to avoid dropping comments specifically because of this but in the past few days it has been even more unbearable.
 

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This thread between updates is painful, you have a lot of shit that can be discussed every Episode yet the conversation always revolves around why does Zoey even exist, Maya's tuition, Jill is a goblin, the goddamn milking or how the Interlude is the worst thing ever.

I tend to avoid dropping comments specifically because of this but in the past few days it has been even more unbearable.
We are just the scapegoat of morons flaws aren't we?
 

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This thread between updates is painful, you have a lot of shit that can be discussed every Episode yet the conversation always revolves around why does Zoey even exist, Maya's tuition, Jill is a goblin, the goddamn milking or how the Interlude is the worst thing ever.

I tend to avoid dropping comments specifically because of this but in the past few days it has been even more unbearable.
It's been like, a year. All the "good" shit was discussed after 1 week, there's fuckall left to talk about except what you listed.
 

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This thread between updates is painful, you have a lot of shit that can be discussed every Episode yet the conversation always revolves around why does Zoey even exist, Maya's tuition, Jill is a goblin, the goddamn milking or how the Interlude is the worst thing ever.

I tend to avoid dropping comments specifically because of this but in the past few days it has been even more unbearable.
So allow me to give you some enlightenment: you can avoid all this just by not visiting this thread. I hope this revelation has been edifying for you. Be welcome.
 
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