Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.05.02] [Aleksey90]

[khumak]

Honestly I don't think the reason matters. Personally, I don't like NTR but I do like having a worthy adversary. So as long as I can beat him I do enjoy the challenge of it. I think most people who want NTR are going to lose to Eric on purpose though, which is also fine if that's what they like.

Where devs run into problems is when they make it so this rival is either guaranteed to win or guaranteed to lose. That's when people start getting irritated by it. In that scenario either the NTR fans or the vanilla fans are guaranteed to not get what they want.

I think most of the initial hate for Eric came from the fact that when he first appears he's an overpowered opponent unless you know exactly how the mechanics required to thwart him work (which is not likely in your first playthrough). The game doesn't really give you much info on how to beat him on your first playthrough until he's already gotten farther with Kira, Lisa, and Alice than non NTR fans would want. After you know how things work he's easy to thwart.

 

[SomeOldFart]

 

[HVS3]

I've never heard of a NTR lover, that's enemy of Eric. Without that, the whole "significant challenge" argument goes right out the window. They are crying about NTR not challenge, that's just an excuse to say Eric must stay. Thousands of successful porn games, without Eric. Yet somehow, only this one, can't do without him, right.

this game does need eric bc its tring to b the 1st of a new stye game. yes u are right there are other successful games out but none of this type that ive seen.it is a mikes of a challenge if player wants to get rid of eric but for thos who dont can keep him. for me eric can have scences in the game that the mc personality wont do, & i like to see how the dev go about with thos scences.

but till the game gets finished & we see the finish product its hard to say if this game will b successful or not, & if its decent we could start see more games like this one.

now this is my opion on eric being in this game

 

[HVS3]

Not to mention, in the first original BB, after Eric was cut out of the game, the story went to shit.

i dont think it went to shit , it just became like all the other incest games out there with it little twist.

 

[Lalelilolu]

Come on as soon as Erick leaves the game this will become a Glamour 2.0 and personally glamor seems boring to me, it has me more interested in Aleks' releases with Erick's progress in history because it is new content, what follows in the story after erick leaves everyone knows and until that point and add original content is yet another year.

 

[christopher thompson]

If I remember from the original big brother we had to get rid of Eric so Max could progress with Ann, but I also remember that everyone complained about Eric being gotten rid of in the original version as well
it would be better if some how Max could get evidence against Eric and use that to help him progress with Ann without her knowing
like Eric wants her to wear a blindfold and then slowly work her into having a threesome, if only to keep Eric around for a couple more versions and then when we do want Eric gone we already have the evidence

 

[Visceouse]

I have to say that I am genuinely shocked people are still unclear as to why the original failed (and more specifically if it people abandoned it after losing Eric). I meant he question was answered by the developer himself years ago and is still posted on his Glamour Patreon right now:

"unfortunately, Patreon has changed their policy about games like Big Brother, so working on it on Patreon is now impossible."

He made the reason clear, he had no choice. It was also widely publicized at the time. As for Eric, it is fine if some people really liked that story arc, but it doesn't change that he got rid of Eric because of the backlash and the game remained EXTREMELY popular long after he was gone. Actually, DarkSilver had said almost the exact opposite at the time. The post is long gone now but it was something to the effect of, most people hated Eric and he had to get rid of him, but DarkSilver had a plan for the game that included Eric to the end. Getting rid of him was a frustrating blow to his story line and then when it got banned from Patreon, he almost saw it like a sign. He already had started work on Glamour and decided to just leave Big Brother like it was.

 

[balara]

I dont know how many will agree with me . But fail of BB and eric is mainly due to following reason
1. Eric was not implemented like a competition but was like alpha and MC was more becoming like a camera and as like DS habbit it took him long enough to implement Eric properly before it went nasty with his supporters.
2. DS never got the exact concept of incest and that made it worst
3. When eric was entered DS must have some events including ANNA n MC and later Eric ..that should made have some impact like there is chance MC to take over eric for alice n lisa
4. finally DS lost interest in game.

as per basic rule game remains interesting if there is some challenge in game eric is best for that else game will be boring after 2-3 versions ...why? because eventually what will remain is grinding to get any girl and no one like grinding.

i dont know but main problem i found is there is always lot of cry on NTR and Eric is best n strongest of all NTR characters..
without Eric there is no game..it is like " If you believe in GOD it is because of DEVIL "
how you will define the winner if you run alone

 

[badi90]

putting aside why the orginal was dropped . the problem comes from this one started like the orginal . which mean same mistake has been made . eric idea is brilliant. but how it was used was bad . the game should have a closer to end it . like explain why eric pick Ann as a target . why he was in a hurry . a way for revenge " introduces eric real wife " . and ofcourse stabilize Max's life . convince his mother it's ok to sleep with every one. and having Olivia as a girlfriend and future wife . lastly source of income .
if eric used right u could create multiple root for sexual liking for Max and the girls . like make Ann submitted to max . fandom which she use sexual activity as a punshmint . or my favourite max convince her as a mother she should not stand in the way of kids happiness. and as a woman she should have done fun sometimes . most of the times she tease max for fun .

 

[maxbishup]

Come on, what is wrong with you people "without Eric there is no game..". Was BB the first game ever, because there can't be a game without Eric? A fictional character in a porn game, you can't live without, seriously.

 

[Kara Zor-El]

Challenging with Eric was keeping the game alive. After a while, there is no fun fucking already corrupted girls.

Because voyeurism, cuckolding, jealousy, NTR are different terms for me, It's hard for me to address this game as NTR. Except Eric blackmails Aunt part tho.

 

[badi90]

as far as ni know ntr means stealing another man woman . if boyfriend/husband accept that its cuckoldery . so yeah in girls case max accepted to leave the girls for eric its cuckoldry . aunt case its counted as ntr since she changes side with eric and max didn't accept that

 

[Kara Zor-El]

as far as ni know ntr means stealing another man woman . if boyfriend/husband accept that its cuckoldery . so yeah in girls case max accepted to leave the girls for eric its cuckoldry . aunt case its counted as ntr since she changes side with eric and max didn't accept that

hmmm Partially true. NTR thingy is heavy drama adultery tho. In NTR Bf/husband thinks his partner faithful to him.
Type A: Partner is already a slut and cheats on behind MC's back.
Type B: Netori character(s) forces partner to cheat on MC. They blackmail, rape, drug etc for to corrupt partner. Starts non-consensual and happens behind MC's back.
Type C: Netori character(s) rapes partner in front MC. They put unwilling couple in cuckoldry situation.

Cuckoldry (netoraSe -NTRS): partner willingly have sex with other people. Can be Femdom thingy or MC is a true masochist that enjoys watching his partner with other people.

 

[Max Headroom]

Well said! A little NTR, "Eric and Max share all the women" might be a great idea. It would be different from the host of BB mods.

All I wish with Eric is a scene with a nice red fire axe.

 

[balara]

Come on, what is wrong with you people "without Eric there is no game..". Was BB the first game ever, because there can't be a game without Eric? A fictional character in a porn game, you can't live without, seriously.

I didnt meant that way... Eric is just a char ..it can be anyone with any name only thing what i mean is with the role of that character...in BB or any of its kind .Eric is a character which is strong enough to challenge authority as alpha male...
without ERIC game will be pure vanilla style but with ERIC game can have NTR, incest winning , and other style elements.. which make a game more interesting and with bigger story..

now forget ERIC..lets make a new char Say XYZ may be a bully from MAx school or boss of ANN and they try to get max girls...so eventually you will in same situation like with eric ..so what matters is Villain ..not eric or XYZ..
else without villian ..even if you put 3 versions to get one girl..it will take not more than 10 versions..to make game complete boring ..

 

[balara]

All I wish with Eric is a scene with a nice red fire axe.

i dont know how many times i would have been killed with the poison in your spoiler..

 

[Max Headroom]

i dont know how many times i would have been killed with the poison in your spoiler..

It's an old joke of times I was mod in a subforum but it still works.

 

[Pantisocrat]

Well-easy answer-patrons voted with their money-he get around 10 000$ more after Eric disappear.

I went and had a look, I don't see anything like that in the Graphtreon data. It seems like a pretty linear growth from early 2017, if anything plateauing slightly around the time Eric was removed, then continuing the previous growth rate, then dropping a bit in late 2017 before the big drop-off after Patreon nuked a bunch of people.

 

[khumak]

I've seen a lot of comments from people who don't seem to understand how someone could want the challenge of NTR content being present without wanting to actually see that content. I have no idea how Aleksy plans to implement Eric in his version but using one of my own games that I'm working on as an example, the MC's girlfriend will have an option to cheat with various rivals to MC but in every case it will be a game over bad ending. It's there as a threat for situations where you're not keeping the GF happy or you're not preventing her from putting herself at risk of cheating. In my case that won't mean doing whatever she wants. It will mean unlocking all of her secret desires and putting his own spin on them to both his and her advantage.

As an example, she will have a jealousy kink which includes getting off on making him jealous but he will discover that she also gets off on him making her jealous. So if he encourages her to make him jealous it will put her on a path to cheating on him and it will be game over. If he starts making her jealous it will put her on a path to where she's ok with bringing other women into the relationship (potentially both for herself and for him).

The instances where she might cheat are basically punishments for failure. I do plan on making full fledged sex scenes for people who actually want to see her cheat but most people probably won't want to since there won't be any continuation for those paths. The threat of it will still be there though and there will be instances where MC's choices can take the player part way down one of those paths and still be recoverable.

The Olivia path had some of that dynamic in the original BB and I think that's why I liked it so much.

 

[armion82]

I went and had a look, I don't see anything like that in the Graphtreon data. It seems like a pretty linear growth from early 2017, if anything plateauing slightly around the time Eric was removed, then continuing the previous growth rate, then dropping a bit in late 2017 before the big drop-off after Patreon nuked a bunch of people.

The problem is that Graphtreon don't show the time when many patrons change from 5 or 10$ to 20 and 40$.That was exactly before DS hide his money.On the diagram you shows the money he was getting is a little more than 9K.In reallity it was way more.More than 20K to be precise.