Ren'Py Big Brother: Another Story Rebuild [v0.08.02] [Aleksey90]

[dwalsh]

Sure, you can say that if you want. It's not true, but you can say it. Finding a hidden camera is in no universe a logical first step to immediately creating a porn website to film your family for pervs on the internet and for personal profit unless you are a legit psychopath.

Not to mention the whole drugging them thing . . . . anyone say date rape? Remind me again, was it Eric or Max who did that? Max, ah, gotcha. So you're cool with date rape, pimping, and selling videos of family, but that Eric guy who says some mean things and wants to bang a bunch of women he just met and thinks are hot is just too damn toxic. Yeah, he's a creep, but I think your scale of toxic might be a bit off mate.

I want to be very clear. I don't actually care about any of the above behavior in a porn game. It's just a game. It's fantasy.

You seem to care though, as your summary of issue with the Eric character is basically just, "He's mean and not good and bad and toxic." And yet you ignore that Max is like 10x worse. You're just cool with it because you're the one doing it and it's less overt.

Ignoring NTR or if Eric should be in the game, as the Dev seems set on that and it's his game, only focusing on your flawed logic on character, your stance that Eric is toxic but Max is good is pure protagonist bias, and a serious logical dissonance.

No shade to people who enjoy playing Max. It's fantasy. It's just annoying to see morality and bad characteristics only applied to one character and not the other to fit some overarching narrative or argument.

There is no gotcha moment because if you read the dialogue you'll see Alice is completely aware of there scenario and tells Max it never happened (read the dialogue the next day). That's her kink and I'm not guessing that... Sorry if that was missed. It is a "by any means necessary to protect my family" story. What it is not is a "I going to screw my new employee and her family" story. That's a different vn literally call my employee's family (which got the abandoned tag once already) . Until that registers people will only be building on their disappointment in the in end.

 

[dwalsh]

Finding a hidden camera is in no universe a logical first step to immediately creating a porn website

You did see PIS? Correct?

 

[Nemo56]

I find your statements very hypocritical, but that you played SWG compels me to not argue with you. I was an Ahazi Light Server Master BH, DOC, Terakasi, and CH all at one point or another, and later a Jedi. Played that game from launch to close. SWG for life Yo.

"If you say so" to the first and. YAY! to the second one. I only tried 4 combat classes, the rest was crafters and entertainers. Farstar (or wherever your home was) lives on in our hearts.

 

[dwalsh]

your stance that Eric is toxic but Max is good is pure protagonist bias, and a serious logical dissonance.

Ah, the root of the disconnect. Create game where Eric is MC and there would be no debate. The arguments start when people start (beating drums) for more antagonist content taking the games off its rails and into the void. I play as the MC here so when my avatar here is attacked logic goes out the door and I can defend him with with (not within) any means available. His moral code is not mine, he can use methods I cannot. So yes there is and always will be a bias leaning in favor of your avatar. If you're not content with your avatar I can only imagine how frustrating that can be but like I said before create a game where Eric is the MC and problem solved.

Torrid Affairs might be what some people are looking for never played it only heard of it.

 

[Krugger]

Who's complaining? Someone talked about NTR, I answered that I currently know of no NTR in the game as long as Max is not kicked out, that more sharing content was about to come. Try to read that post again without listening to that hurting nerve that I apparently hit.

What does bother me is the behaviour of the more ... "visible" ... Eric lovers, those who ranted like crazy when the Kick-Out-Event was announced and call other crybabies.

I can't understand you, sometimes I think that not even you can understand yourself in what you say. Let's say there is no NTR content, only content that allows you to share the girls and have MMF threesome scenes. To Eric's Lovers, these people want to see more of his content or interact with the character more. I will answer you understandably, I was in favor of Eric, I like writing scripts and stories, and I don't see much point in keeping the character perpetually. For me he is a temporary character, maybe he could return to the game, but he would have to make an exception and create a new arduous script that wouldn't make much sense, for me it would be better to create another different opponent; can be male or female. The crybabies fact is because people can't stand that an npc is fucking Ann something like..., damn.. is a porn game.

Gamewise, as I already said: "In my opinion a dev should do his own thing, tell his story (one of them, not three) and give a shit about all those whiners. Who doesn't like it, should go play something else."
It maybe should have been "these", I guess (after all English is not my primary language). It should include everyone who keeps ranting and yelling "The game is dead! Dead! DEAD! ... if you don't change this in the matter I want it to be".

I think that the three paths are a) not good for the game progress and b) not good for the players. I mean ... look at us.

I agree too, but it is necessary to understand that Eric has a script for the story to be exciting. As I said in the past, with Eric's arrival there would be two paths, it would be an arduous content to create because they are two different scripts but that would lead again to a single path that is Max kick Eric out or betray Eric and remove him from the game. The public has the right to think the game is dead, the game has to prove it's not.

I found the whole teaching aspect with Lisa nothing more than fullfilling a fetish fantasy. Sadly in the original was not much more about her than that (other than the girlfriend route where she wants a fit boyfriend who buys her gifts). Alex is not in the game and I doubt that Aleksey will risk another Eric scenario (on the forum and social media). I don't think he "should" bring him back, but I am glad that he didn't even try so far. I'm quite happy with him not being here. When it comes to the Lisa/Olivia route, I am free of "the dev should", currently it's going quite well, Olivia is a catalysator for Lisa's progress with options for more, it's not Max who triggers Lisa to lose her top, but Olivia. So far that works good. I hope, Aleksey will not fuck this up by bringing in too much conflicts and drama. We most likely get that already when when the family members learn about each other. It would be no good to see that twice.
And I hope Kira's role will be smaller. In the original I always fast forwarded the night scenes, they were so dull. How the single lewd scenes are made, who is caught in what position - I don't care. Might as well go with your suggestion.

Edit: You seem to have quite a clear vision how the story "should" continue. Did you ever try to write one for yourself? You don't even have to do weeks of rendering, the first step could be a text based AIF game. That's what I did 15 years ago, it was an extension to Camp Windy Lake. The content was "ok", but my writing was shit, so I scrapped the whole thing .
My story for Jedi Knight was better, the original main char died after chapter 1 after an infiltration mission and the rest was about finding out who did it. Sadly I lacked the time to actually create all the environment for it, I completely underestimated the amount of work. And I still am quite proud of the background story my char in SWG had.

Edit2: There is one thing I worry about when it comes to Eric and that's if Aleksey starts listening to those fans who want him to be as abusive as in the fan art. I don't want these people to decide the direction of the game. Apart from that this sort of content can already be found in other BB games and we don't want too much repetition, do we?

I hated this event of the player having to choose whether to give jewels or work out the MC's body. It didn't make much sense to me. I won't call DS lazy, even because he did things very fast besides the renders. But I didn't really like Kira's sex ed either, it would be a lie if I said it was bad, wasn't it, watching Lisa train her ass and she was afraid of losing her virginity, it was acceptable. But there was no more continuity about it, but at this BBAS, Max's event with Lisa turned out good, but I wish there was a little rivalry between Lisa and Olivia, until Lisa accepts Olivia for threesome. However, it is better to leave the story as it is.

Well, I also agree that Kira's content is boring, but that's because no one had the bright idea of selecting a script for her. How would it be for others? everything has to be thought of, starting with the character's personality, what kind of character would it be? I'm always thinking about it.

 

[Saluja]

Take your time 'Aleksey90',hope you get well soon.

 

[Nemo56]

I can't understand you, sometimes I think that not even you can understand yourself in what you say.

You have every right to think to think so, my opinion if you are right or wrong is something different entirely.

I'm not arguing with you how you should see Eric, that's all your thing, like my views are mine.
You may see Eric's story to be exciting, I see it as being annoying. Also if you see him as a temporary char ... so do I.

And then there is that group of people who don't. Who want more and more of him. I have already seen what many Eric fans expect from him and that ... well, that's nothing I can support. Also I don't want to have to deal with that kind of people if I wand to stay active here.

The rivalry between Olivia and Lisa might still happen, who knows? Both trying to win him over might be a nice touch. I honestly doubt it will be like that, but it might. However, I personally would want to see it with clothes on - so to say, and not just a "how could you screw her! I thought you are with me." ... and 2 scenes later a threesome. Nah. If such content comes, I would prefer it to take place outside the bedtroom on a more personal level.

 

[Chaosguy]

Take your time 'Aleksey90',hope you get well soon.

Is he sick?

 

[bruno6845]

Everything is fine with your save, don't know what you did wrong not to get this.
I passed time until tuesday morning, then Max spied on Lisa in the shower, made sure to get caught by making noise. After that I had Max apologize to her, that started the event.
I saved the game right before apologizing.

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thank you so much

 

[dwalsh]

Is he sick?

Yes

 

[Summer Love]

The NTR was so intense and toxic that even the dev was affected
Truly Eric has grown so powerful that no one is out of his reach, stay safe y'all.

All joking aside, I don't think I've ever heard of Encephalitis. Sounds nasty though, best wishes for Aleksey.

 

[Gok]

Yes

Not trying to be an ass, didn't follow the thread that much, but what is it now? Tbh, doesn't matter. Just gonna stop following this dudes "updates"

 

[dwalsh]

Not trying to be an ass, didn't follow the thread that much, but what is it now? Tbh, doesn't matter. Just gonna stop following this dudes "updates"

My apologies if I came off short. He has been unwell for a little while now but I'm not at liberty to divulge any of his personal issues. He did however post an update on Patreon.

 

[kgirlffx]

There is no gotcha moment because if you read the dialogue you'll see Alice is completely aware of there scenario and tells Max it never happened (read the dialogue the next day). That's her kink and I'm not guessing that... Sorry if that was missed. It is a "by any means necessary to protect my family" story. What it is not is a "I going to screw my new employee and her family" story. That's a different vn literally call my employee's family (which got the abandoned tag once already) . Until that registers people will only be building on their disappointment in the in end.

Except that Max did so without prior approval or consent. Literally, in the real world that defense is not valid. It's a video game so I don't care, but I think you're highly biased. And the story is by no means a "by any means necessary to protect family," story. That is 100% you injecting that into it.

The story starts out with Max seeing a camera and instantly plotting. That's BEFORE it becomes clear Eric is going to be a problem. Deciding Eric is a problem in the first place is Max being a narracistic creep. He is jealous of some dude banging his Mom so he decided "I'm going to film her and sell said film without her knowledge, for money, so I can afford things to buy her affection or take courses to seduce her."

Case and point, if the story was actually about protecting his family, all of Max's actions would be around proving Eric as bad. That would be the entire focus instead of a single plotline in the middle of many based on seduction or manipulation. So no, it's not about protection, it's about domination and trickery. Pretend it's not all you want to hate Eric or to pretend you as the player are some sort of moral paragon, but Max is a full-tilt creep, more than Eric even, and that's just fine.

 

[kgirlffx]

"If you say so" to the first and. YAY! to the second one. I only tried 4 combat classes, the rest was crafters and entertainers. Farstar (or wherever your home was) lives on in our hearts.

Till the end of time mate, till the end of time. Only MMO that ever felt like a real second life to me. Still use my character's name in games to this day.

 

[dwalsh]

Except that Max did so without prior approval or consent. Literally, in the real world that defense is not valid. It's a video game so I don't care, but I think you're highly biased. And the story is by no means a "by any means necessary to protect family," story. That is 100% you injecting that into it.

The story starts out with Max seeing a camera and instantly plotting. That's BEFORE it becomes clear Eric is going to be a problem. Deciding Eric is a problem in the first place is Max being a narracistic creep. He is jealous of some dude banging his Mom so he decided "I'm going to film her and sell said film without her knowledge, for money, so I can afford things to buy her affection or take courses to seduce her."

Case and point, if the story was actually about protecting his family, all of Max's actions would be around proving Eric as bad. That would be the entire focus instead of a single plotline in the middle of many based on seduction or manipulation. So no, it's not about protection, it's about domination and trickery. Pretend it's not all you want to hate Eric or to pretend you as the player are some sort of moral paragon, but Max is a full-tilt creep, more than Eric even, and that's just fine.

You really need to play over the beginning of the game again. But you have already formed your opinion so there may be no use in that. You've been provided the info in what was the intended projection of the plot and that's as far as I can go.

 

[kgirlffx]

Ah, the root of the disconnect. Create game where Eric is MC and there would be no debate. The arguments start when people start (beating drums) for more antagonist content taking the games off its rails and into the void. I play as the MC here so when my avatar here is attacked logic goes out the door and I can defend him with with (not within) any means available. His moral code is not mine, he can use methods I cannot. So yes there is and always will be a bias leaning in favor of your avatar. If you're not content with your avatar I can only imagine how frustrating that can be but like I said before create a game where Eric is the MC and problem solved.

Torrid Affairs might be what some people are looking for never played it only heard of it.

I missed this, so sorry for the multi-response.

See, the problem is that the Dev created the game and ran content since he started with a NTR plot being in place. A NTR plot which is inherently based on antagonist action and content. So to say that following said path is taking it off the rails is not true. That's just you saying you did not like that path, therefore anything that you don't like is taking it off the rails.

I think we touched on this previously so no need to beat it to death, but the main gist is that you are claiming the game is about and has always been about one thing when it clearly was not. I don't argue these points on games that never had a NTR path. I don't argue these points on other BB games without Eric content. I argue it here because clearly NTR was planned, as you can even see from Devs previous's pre-development posts, but you're trying to pretend it was not and the entire game is only about Max and everything else is a distraction.

That may be true NOW, but it was not true until now. That's the entire issue. The Dev is changing the path, or he was not clear about the path from the start, but you want to pretend otherwise and act like people who disagree are in the wrong.

I really wish you would just fess up that you like it as is, don't want NTR, and that's that. I would respect that. I think it's selfish, but I get it. I don't respect trying to paint the game as something else or pretending all these NTR people are upset over nothing to justify that stance though.

 

[dwalsh]

I missed this, so sorry for the multi-response.

See, the problem is that the Dev created the game and ran content since he started with a NTR plot being in place. A NTR plot which is inherently based on antagonist action and content. So to say that following said path is taking it off the rails is not true. That's just you saying you did not like that path, therefore anything that you don't like is taking it off the rails.

I think we touched on this previously so no need to beat it to death, but the main gist is that you are claiming the game is about and has always been about one thing when it clearly was not. I don't argue these points on games that never had a NTR path. I don't argue these points on other BB games without Eric content. I argue it here because clearly NTR was planned, as you can even see from Devs previous's pre-development posts, but you're trying to pretend it was not and the entire game is only about Max and everything else is a distraction.

That may be true NOW, but it was not true until now. That's the entire issue. The Dev is changing the path, or he was not clear about the path from the start, but you want to pretend otherwise and act like people who disagree are in the wrong.

I really wish you would just fess up that you like it as is, don't want NTR, and that's that. I would respect that. I think it's selfish, but I get it. I don't respect trying to paint the game as something else or pretending all these NTR people are upset over nothing to justify that stance though.

You keep dancing between lines and trying to bring me into a subject I'm not debating. Please let's stay on character and not fetish. I'm not debating fetish.



There is a lot more room in the story for other antagonists. If you keep locking your identification of NTR with the character Eric there no end to this.

 

[dwalsh]

This is where my problem lies. Some people are mistaking a branch with one character and using it on the pre-tense of being an assault on an entire fetish to hijack the entire story.



And arresting the development of the entire project. I said it was not necessary before but I'm starting to lean to the idea a poll might be needed. Because currently financial supporters are most against Eric and getting mostly 1/3 of the content (and surprisingly not complaining much) . I'll agree that some are playing the fake friendship too but I'm pretty sure more than less aren't. A poll might be what's needed to put this to an end. If that info becomes available and I'm found wrong, I'll consider it "I've put up so I'll shut up" immediately.

 

[kgirlffx]

You keep dancing between lines and trying to bring me into a subject I'm not debating. Please let's stay on character and not fetish. I'm not debating fetish.

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There is a lot more room in the story for other antagonists. If you keep locking your identification of NTR with the character Eric there no end to this.

I didn't take it there man. You did when you started claiming the story was about one specific thing and other routes are taking it off into the void. That's why I brought it up.


I guess the reason why I am locked in with Eric for NTR is that I don't trust the Dev now. He really baited us hard with Eric and the Lisa story in particular. And then I see people like you who are closer to the Dev have such a clearly anti-stance. What possible trust could there be in a route with antagonists be when the Dev hoodwinked us, and those in contact with him are biased against us?

Not asking to debate NTR here, honestly just asking, You say there will be future antagonists and possible NTR content, but how can we trust it will not be the same failed delivery before being cut as happened here?

Look at it from my PoV. Says you played 20 hours of the game trying to bang Lisa. There is a slow build. Finally, the stage is set. You're in. It's happening. Lisa then gets a headache and the next day announces she is moving so the plotline is over. Would you be cool with that? The specifics are different, but that is essentially what happened with the Lisa - Eric plot.

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As for your last response, dude, a single logline in a generic story summary means almost nothing. What actually happens in the story is what matters. And what happened was a NTR plot was dangled for the entire development. You can argue it was never the point if you want, but it was for a lot of people, and it was presented as a real path.

As for poll and more supporters backing non-NTR. Fine. Dev is here to make money. Still makes it a dick move to pretend at NTR to get those people on the hook until he can throw them away.

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I understand this post dives back into NTR. Please look it at less as my wanting to debate NTR as a whole or pushing for for Eric. That ship sailed. I am asking about your claim of future antagonist plots only. So no need to debate fetish itself as you do not wish to. I'm fine focusing on broken trust and the future of the game.