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Aw fuck... It looks like Alice's blackmail bullshit will reach Ann too... That totally killed all the little hype I was building.
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I'm pretty sure this will be Alice spanking mom so she'll get more sexually frustrated. No blackmail bullshit.
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Which still kills the hype for me. Alice is becoming insuferable as how stupidly annoying she is.
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Well, we'll see how bad it is when the actual update drops. Right now, we only have a picture and can't conclude much from it.
There's always been an Eric. First there was Eric, then Kira, then Kate, then Alice. Ann at the beginning was a bit of a proto-Eric. The saving grace of every one of them other than Eric was that they didn't have cocks, and were varying levels of willing to take yours in some way.
THIS!
The conflict and nemesis in Incest games is Lust vs your own morals and conscience. It is an internal battle and to win you not only have to overcome your own morals but convince a family member to give up on theirs by seeding their lust, and trying to do things that will make their lust overcome the social stigma and internal morals against such a sexual coupling!
Seduction of someone who should be immune to your sexual advances and knows it is taboo to even consider you as a sexual partner is a hell of a lot more challenging than going online buying impotence pills and getting your older sister to dose your nemesis. How do you show a family member your sexual interest without being overt where you could be outcast for asking for that taboo. The challenge of leaving hints for family member to discover that tells them you are interested in them sexually without being obvious and direct so it can be taken as an innocent act.
That is the real GAME played in an Incest relationship before the sex happens.
To leave hints that you think of them sexually, trying as well to turn them on at the forbidden idea of it. To get the idea of having sex with you into their head so they believe it is their idea when it happens. That is a TRUE conquest and challenge.
Guess you have not ever seduced someone who had very little interest or never thought of you as a sexual partner before...Way more challenging than dosing his beer with Salt Peter or stealing his wallet and taking pictures to blackmail him are.
Well he hasn't included the whips and stocks or the more advanced actions of the genre....
But can they be that far away?
Max will be the one spanking Mom/Ann, not Alice. Alice just had the idea of the punishment and has to be the one catching Mom/Ann doing something wrong and the only thing she's doing wrong is having fun with Max.
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I have no such problems in real life. I was talking about harem incest games. They are all linear and you can't fail or pick wrong so it's not a challenge to get everything. And it's not even about competitors like Eric but incest suppose to feel like a crazy hard task while it usually doesn't feel like tabbo (characters don't act like it is) not to say it is hard. You can easily make a game with mechanic of BB that can be challenging without other males. Wrong choices that matter are a thing that make something challenging in mainstream gaming world. Excellent writing in case of incest would be something good as well but devs are rarely good when it comes to writing
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Tell 'em again.
This notion that the game needed a "male antagonist" to compete against just limits what BB could've been from a story perspective. Again, the primary need the majority seek in this game is to fap, I get that, I'm not looking for ground breaking Grammy award writing. But DS has had opportunities to make this a better written game than it is now. And in his own words in the past, he said he wanted to make an "engaging story". Clearly it's anything but.
You have games like Mortze & Tlaero's Elsa-verse. There is a clear end-game antagonist, yes, but the conflict was always more internal. You had to break down the walls that the girl in focus set up for themselves, and the games were every bit as engaging because of that, with it's finale (Saving Chloe) being every bit as satisfying. I get the "competition/antagonist" argument. I do. But it's ridiculous to say every game needs one.
Well we agree that at least THIS dev is not good at the writing....Sad since there are many stories on Literotica and Reddit that they could draw from to base a game off of.
As for what happens in a Harem game...Well that says more about that type of game and why an Incest game should be MORE interesting than just Hey My name is...Suck my cock!
The fact the relationship should NOT happen morally makes the incest genre an internal conflict of morals vs lust. Easy to overcome in yourself but the challenge is finding ways to get others in your family to overcome those conflicts.
Did DS make this a Harem game? Well I would argue this isn't a game at all it has become nothing more than a VN. Click away until something new happens.
The Point I and @Corambis are making here is that in the Incest Genre the big challenge is overcoming the taboo and moral prohibitions...You don't need an Eric, you shouldn't need a Kira and Blackmail is a lazy method of convincing someone that is no more challenging than finding a key to open a door.
This game started off well until Eric became it's focus. The massaging and other classes were a great vehicle towards what we were talking about as a real incest challenge.
Giving a massage and turning someone on (who shouldn't get turned on) due to you doing some innocent act they were happy to let you do. The social skills to convince people to do what you want and even the Yoga classes that could have led to other things.
But DS couldn't fathom how to use those scenarios and wrap his writer's head around any family member ever having sex with Max without being forced.
So he invented Eric who is the one who TRULY made this game a harem game when it was originally a sandbox.
So if you don't like Harem games you have no one to blame but Eric himself.
Because he is the vehicle that changed it into one. Made all the girls his Harem and then the only challenge was how to get rid of him and take over!
BORING!
Just to add to address the last part of your post....
In an Incest play the consequences are ruining the relationship with your family because you were too creepy, perverted, obvious or evil (as is the case with blackmailing someone!)
The right choice made should be one that makes them think having sex with you may not be as bad as the social norm thinks.
The wrong choice gets you sent away from the family because you could endanger them with your pervy thoughts and possible resort to rape (where this game could go at any moment!)
So those are the Choices and consequences that belong in an Incest game...
Maybe if you don't play the seduction smart you still get sent to that military camp to learn discipline...
But make the right choices and you won't need to blackmail or spank someone into submission to fuck you...
Because they will think having sex with you is THEIR IDEA not the product of your sick lusty mind but of theirs!
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Well, to not make it into harem he would have to create seperate routes for all girls and that's not possible with this system of releases so I blame mostly Patreon for all these harems
I'm not into incest so I can't really comprehend you viewpoint but I fully understand what do you mean about breaking a tabbo and how hard and rewarding it should feel. I feel that's a matter of writing and therefore it's really hard for most devs. That's not the strongest point of DS himself. That's why I feel excellent writing would be a good thing in such a setting. I like other males in games (for various reasons) and I liked Eric's part which I find a shame that it's not continued, but I can easily think about different choices that would make this game or any other really challenging without using males. Even in vanilla games I find it a shame that game has not difficulty level and everything leads to your victory. That's lazy, unchallenging design in my opinion. Sadly, at this point BB is an example of such thing as well.
That is completely wrong....In fact many games do this quite well (see MotH as one example the Twist as another)Well, to not make it into harem he would have to create seperate routes for all girls and that's not possible with this system of releases so I blame mostly Patreon for all these harems
I'm not into incest so I can't really comprehend you viewpoint but I fully understand what do you mean about breaking a tabbo and how hard and rewarding it should feel. I feel that's a matter of writing and therefore it's really hard for most devs. That's not the strongest point of DS himself. That's why I feel excellent writing would be a good thing in such a setting. I like other males in games (for various reasons) and I liked Eric's part which I find a shame that it's not continued, but I can easily think about different choices that would make this game or any other really challenging without using males. Even in vanilla games I find it a shame that game has not difficulty level and everything leads to your victory. That's lazy, unchallenging design in my opinion. Sadly, at this point BB is an example of such thing as well.
What is worse is he is using the unity engine and forsaking most of that engine's capabilities and dumbing down to a VN where the engine supports hotspots and items you can see pick up and use on other items.
So it's not Patreon or the Engine that is limiting the scope and breadth of this game...
It is the developer himself that has made it so limiting and boring.
As to why there ARE so many Harem games?
Because it is EASY MONEY! Render a few pics, stitch them together and hold your wallet open for the money....
Well, I've never said the game needed a male antagonist to generate conflict. I've said it had a male antagonist to generate conflict, and that the antagonist was removed and the conflict he generated never replaced. I'm sure there's all kinds of things DS could have done; all I'm saying is that he hasn't done any of them :frown:
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I don't know who made it but, it's already got a better story than the game.