kkmk

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I wonder if DS even reads what he writes as a story sometimes. Like how does it even make sense ?
Sorry to talk about Eric, but I realized that he was an important character in this game after he was gone. I hate Eric, but I think the story would have been more natural if DS used Eric more. Because I think DS would have considered Eric's story as the main story.
But the walls of the anti-NTR and their money power were too strong. Whether MC has sex with a family or Eric has sex with a family, it is the same that I can not have sex. :(
Anyway, Eric was ejected too soon.
The most important main story of Eric's friends or Eric's enemies disappeared. And BB's story is getting more and more strange. It seems that DS no longer has the idea to push the story forward. It just extends the strange story as a bait to sex with the family.

To. @DarkSilver
If the story is not going well, remember Eric. I believe BB will shine more and more when Eric is there. The fact that people dislike Eric does not matter in the game's perfection. U can do it. Thank you.
 
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I agree with everyone saying that DS doesn't know how to write an incest game, but I also think that he doesn't have a clue about BDSM either. We've yet to see any good BDSM being played out. So far all it's been so far is;

Alice/Kate: "I'm in control."
Max: "Okay"

That's barely even submission. And how on Earth does a sub magically turn into a dom, then straight back to a sub?

Also, from what we've seen from mum, there's no real BDSM in play. From what we seen in the movie all she gets is a light spanking with a ruler. I don't know about you, but when I think about BDSM I think of leather, being chained up, whips, torture, pretty much ZERO fucking etc. Am I wrong?
No you are not wrong...BDSM also usually entails the person getting spanked actually liking it (like Lisa did) and them actually being the ones in control...
So perhaps he doesn't get BDSM either for people who are REALLY into that fetish! LOL
It really was just used as a mechanism to get Max to control because he couldn't think of any other way anyone would fuck him in this game.

I wonder if DS even reads what he writes as a story sometimes. Like how does it even make sense ?
I suspect he makes the scenes and then throws whatever awful text he thinks will fit that scene with some lame text thrown in elsewhere to get to it.
 
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Sorry to talk about Eric, but I realized that he was an important character in this game after he was gone. I hate Eric, but I think the story would have been more natural if DS used Eric more. Because I think DS would have considered Eric's story as the main story.
But the walls of the anti-NTR and their money power were too strong. Whether MC has sex with a family or Eric has sex with a family, it is the same that I can not have sex. :(
Anyway, Eric was ejected too soon.
The most important main story of Eric's friends or Eric's enemies disappeared. And BB's story is getting more and more strange. It seems that DS no longer has the idea to push the story forward. It just extends the strange story as a bait to sex with the family.

To. @DarkSilver
If the story is not going well, remember Eric. I believe BB will shine more and more when Eric is there. The fact that people dislike Eric does not matter in the game's perfection. U can do it. Thank you.
You are completely wrong about the role of Eric and what he will do to MC’s family. Eric appeared in the game as a rival to Max and try to fuck all members in Max’s family and kick Max out of the house. Only by getting rid of Eric, Max can proceed with Lisa and Alice and help Kira from being blackmailed so he can get some helps from her to get Ann and himself a job. And if Max keeps blackmailing Eric, Eric has no point to stay in that family since he can’t do what he want: fucking all members and kick Max out.
 

kkmk

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You are completely wrong about the role of Eric and what he will do to MC’s family. Eric appeared in the game as a rival to Max and try to fuck all members in Max’s family and kick Max out of the house. Only by getting rid of Eric, Max can proceed with Lisa and Alice and help Kira from being blackmailed so he can get some helps from her to get Ann and himself a job. And if Max keeps blackmailing Eric, Eric has no point to stay in that family since he can’t do what he want: fucking all members and kick Max out.
I do not agree with your opinion at all. But I respect your opinion. :)
 
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Sorry to talk about Eric, but I realized that he was an important character in this game after he was gone. I hate Eric, but I think the story would have been more natural if DS used Eric more. Because I think DS would have considered Eric's story as the main story.
But the walls of the anti-NTR and their money power were too strong. Whether MC has sex with a family or Eric has sex with a family, it is the same that I can not have sex. :(
Anyway, Eric was ejected too soon.
The most important main story of Eric's friends or Eric's enemies disappeared. And BB's story is getting more and more strange. It seems that DS no longer has the idea to push the story forward. It just extends the strange story as a bait to sex with the family.

To. @DarkSilver
If the story is not going well, remember Eric. I believe BB will shine more and more when Eric is there. The fact that people dislike Eric does not matter in the game's perfection. U can do it. Thank you.
The story kind of fell apart when you're 18 - 19 years old and don't leave the house without a medical or psych condition dude.
 
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@ kkmk your comment ( To. @dark Silver If the story is not going well, remember Eric. I believe BB will shine more and more when Eric is there. The fact that people dislike Eric does not matter in the game's perfection. U can do it. Thank you )

first off Dark Sliver give to shits about comments on here.....second if you really want to to post a comment you will have to be a 40 pledge supporter on might get him to reply..
 

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Sorry to talk about Eric, but I realized that he was an important character in this game after he was gone. I hate Eric, but I think the story would have been more natural if DS used Eric more. Because I think DS would have considered Eric's story as the main story.
But the walls of the anti-NTR and their money power were too strong. Whether MC has sex with a family or Eric has sex with a family, it is the same that I can not have sex. :(
Anyway, Eric was ejected too soon.
The most important main story of Eric's friends or Eric's enemies disappeared. And BB's story is getting more and more strange. It seems that DS no longer has the idea to push the story forward. It just extends the strange story as a bait to sex with the family.

To. @DarkSilver
If the story is not going well, remember Eric. I believe BB will shine more and more when Eric is there. The fact that people dislike Eric does not matter in the game's perfection. U can do it. Thank you.
Totally agree with you. Eric is an asshole, but as you know every game must have not only protagonist but also an antagonist, and Eric was him. When we finally kill him or sell to sex slavery, the game became bored. Because there is no competition. Right after Eric is gone the game transform frome novel to in some kinde "click and point" arcade where we batter the left mouse button. In erlier updates we play the game with two main goals, to fuck the family members and not to get in army camp. And now its just stupid clicking for CG erotic pictures viewing.
I agree that Eric was removed a little bit erlier then he must be.
 
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kkmk

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Totally agree with you. Eric is an asshole, but as you know every game must have not only protagonist but also an antagonist, and Eric was him. When we finally kill him or sell to sex slavery, the game became bored. Because there is no competition. Right after Eric is gone the game transform frome novel to in some kinde "click and point" arcade where we batter the left mouse button. In erlier updates we play the game with two main goals, to fuck the family members and not to get in army camp. And now its just stupid clicking for CG erotic pictures viewing.
I agree that Eric was removed a little bit erlier then he must be.
Thank you :)
 

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Totally agree with you. Eric is an asshole, but as you know every game must have not only protagonist but also an antagonist, and Eric was him. When we finally kill him or sell to sex slavery, the game became bored. Because there is no competition. Right after Eric is gone the game transform frome novel to in some kinde "click and point" arcade where we batter the left mouse button. In erlier updates we play the game with two main goals, to fuck the family members and not to get in army camp. And now its just stupid clicking for CG erotic pictures viewing.
I agree that Eric was removed a little bit erlier then he must be.
No, not every game does. This is an incest game, so if you're looking for some conflict or something to overcome, there's all the challenge you need. How do you convince family members to go against society and their own initial feelings and have sex with you? The "antagonist" is the incest taboo itself, added on top of the difficulty in seducing any girl in the first place. That's not to say that you can't have an antagonist if you want one, but even without incest you don't need that. You just need a good story, and some challenges to overcome. Believe it or not, challenges can come in all types, and not just some guy that is trying and succeeding to have sex with your family.
 

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So I've got a few questions about this whole discussion.

1. When exactly does this game have BDSM? Is it the spanking? Alice punishing Max and Lisa for having sex?

2. When is there non-consensual sex?

Not a question, but I'm sure there's many people playing this game that don't care for the story and just want to see sexual content. There's also probably a lot of people for whom incest is just having sex with family members and nothing more.
Oh I take it you missed the convo where Alice blackmails Lisa and Max with the vid she made of them having anal sex in a way it looks like vaginal sex then tells them they have to play with her or Max goes to camp, really you missed that convo.
This is blackmail for sex and can and would be charge as rape in criminal court, it does not mater if Lisa and Max starts to like it it is still rape and I don't do rape, if it was Max doing the blackmail for sex this VN would be in the trashcan but other than the 2 forced sex scenes at night with Alice I have no contact with her. If in the future update that it is need to progress the story I will but only as long as it is needed.

I hope you never have someone close to you who gets rape and have to go through what comes after.
 

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No, not every game does. This is an incest game, so if you're looking for some conflict or something to overcome, there's all the challenge you need. How do you convince family members to go against society and their own initial feelings and have sex with you? The "antagonist" is the incest taboo itself, added on top of the difficulty in seducing any girl in the first place. That's not to say that you can't have an antagonist if you want one, but even without incest you don't need that. You just need a good story, and some challenges to overcome. Believe it or not, challenges can come in all types, and not just some guy that is trying and succeeding to have sex with your family.
THANK YOU! Yes. This is a porn game. Many people (me included) just want to see sexual content. People don't want an obstacle in their way to fucking the whole family. That's the whole reason patreons wanted Eric gone from the game. I can say for certain that including Eric back in the game will not improve my enjoyment at all.
 

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Oh I take it you missed the convo where Alice blackmails Lisa and Max with the vid she made of them having anal sex in a way it looks like vaginal sex then tells them they have to play with her or Max goes to camp, really you missed that convo.
This is blackmail for sex and can and would be charge as rape in criminal court, it does not mater if Lisa and Max starts to like it it is still rape and I don't do rape, if it was Max doing the blackmail for sex this VN would be in the trashcan but other than the 2 forced sex scenes at night with Alice I have no contact with her. If in the future update that it is need to progress the story I will but only as long as it is needed.

I hope you never have someone close to you who gets rape and have to go through what comes after.
No need to get angry, I don't want to start a war with anyone, nor do I think you will. I just can't keep track of every conversation in the game and wanted to refresh my memory.
 

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No, not every game does. This is an incest game, so if you're looking for some conflict or something to overcome, there's all the challenge you need. How do you convince family members to go against society and their own initial feelings and have sex with you? The "antagonist" is the incest taboo itself, added on top of the difficulty in seducing any girl in the first place. That's not to say that you can't have an antagonist if you want one, but even without incest you don't need that. You just need a good story, and some challenges to overcome. Believe it or not, challenges can come in all types, and not just some guy that is trying and succeeding to have sex with your family.
I disagree. What kind of challenge is seducing anyone in a harem game? It's something you have by definition and it's not even possible to not get that. Maybe in a game with amazing writing and 1 dateable female that would be incredible realistic it would be hard but in harem games there is no tension nor challenge. In fact even tabbo doesn't exist in vast majority of them. Sometimes Lisa can mention that Max is her brother so she can't give him her virginity so he can fuck her ass instead but I wouldn't call that breaking a tabbo
 

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I agree with everyone saying that DS doesn't know how to write an incest game, but I also think that he doesn't have a clue about BDSM either. We've yet to see any good BDSM being played out. So far all it's been so far is;

Alice/Kate: "I'm in control."
Max: "Okay"

That's barely even submission. And how on Earth does a sub magically turn into a dom, then straight back to a sub?

Also, from what we've seen from mum, there's no real BDSM in play. From what we seen in the movie all she gets is a light spanking with a ruler. I don't know about you, but when I think about BDSM I think of leather, being chained up, whips, torture, pretty much ZERO fucking etc. Am I wrong?
BDSM and how it relates to this none game but VN now because you no longer have any choice in the mater.
BDSM = bondage, discipline, dominance and submission, sadomasochism.

Bondage, what Eric does to Ann, Kira bondage pics and Ann in the movie #2.
Discipline = all the spanking in the game.
Dominance = What Eric did to Ann and what Kate does to Alice and now Alice does to Lisa and Max through blackmail.
Submission = What Ann dose for Eric and what Lisa does for Max and now Alice through blackmail.

Every element of BDSM is now in this VN.
 
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Everyone has their particular kink so DS has exactly 0% chance of pleasing everyone. That said, I don't really think that the fine points of how he is playing out the various fetishes here are his primary failing. His premise started strong and had elements I loved and those I hated, creating pretty decent drama and thematic elements. In other words it was not only hot it was interesting but at this point the story is just pedantic and frankly boring. No matter how good his renders are hot 3d models only go so far. Its pretty clear DS has nearly zero enthusiasm for this project other than as a cash cow and it has really has shown in writing for the the last half-dozen releases or so.
 
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