bauchnabel

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Bummer. Well he would have to change relations to all characters. Because there are content between Lisa/Kira, Ann/Kira, Ann/Lisa/Alice, Alice/Lisa, etc (incest)... So that exchange student thing would be only small part of changes.
True, so it has to be a landlady scenario. But who cares if there is a patch? The fake scenario is only to satisfy patreon. So this fake scenario has not to be real good ....
 

TrropJunior

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Bummer. Well he would have to change relations to all characters. Because there are content between Lisa/Kira, Ann/Kira, Ann/Lisa/Alice, Alice/Lisa, etc (incest)... So that exchange student thing would be only small part of changes.
Not much people are realising that sadly. For them to let him continue he would have to change the relations of ALL the characters, not just one.

Best bet is to make your own website or if worst comes to worst, create an indiegogo page every month. Only problem is that perks would have to be removed which means no pre release for top tiers.
 

JasonJemodah

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You could change mom to landlady, sisters to roommates, aunt to landlady's friend to appease patreon.

Then use to provide patch with the original relations.

Several games did this to bypass the censorship. Just a thought. Best of luck.
I think this is the best way to go forward (if at all possible). A lot of dialogue might not make sense, but if 99% of the people use the patch, it's no big deal I think.
 
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Shiva0067

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1) The situation SUCKS
2) The only thing that needs to be changed is the relationship of the family (Eric Scumy McScumsalot doesn't need a change).
3) Truthfully at this point the Max as son of family friend/neighbor is best bet.
4) For Images on the Patreon site dress them in 'Adult' clothing so the characters 'Appear' older.
5) Yes altering the language (Son/Mom/Sister/Etc.) sucks, but is all that the JERKS will accept if DS continues on Patreon.

Another option is to remove MOST of the BB stuff from the site, use F95 or someplace else to release updates and just use Patreon for updates about the new (Glamour) projects and later for releases. Not a great option, but it gives people access to BB updates, news about the future project, and shuts the idiot reviewers the hell up.

None of this is good, and I hope it doesn't continue for long. If you read this @DarkSilver then know that a lot of people are supporting you and want BB to continue. I may not agree with some of the choices you made for the game, but I would like to see it continue.

Just some thoughts.
 
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Antoninus_

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They said about some concers about underage, but it's a not a real problem for now. We have a good disclamer at the beginning of the game and there is no age mentions in the game at all.

But a lot of content between family members should be removed anyway.

I'm a bit depressed right now, frankly speaking.
Hi DarkSilver: Is sex between Cousins and aunt/nephew considered incest by Patreon?
If not, change sister for cousin and mom with aunt...
 

Lukumoide

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I am so sorry that you are also affected. I hope you find a solution and continue your great game. New here because your page is under review.
 

ReFLecTIon91

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1) The situation SUCKS
2) The only thing that needs to be changed is the relationship of the family (Eric Scumy McScumsalot doesn't need a change).
3) Truthfully at this point the Max as son of family friend/neighbor is best bet.
4) For Images on the Patreon site dress them in 'Adult' clothing so the characters 'Appear' older.
5) Yes altering the language (Son/Mom/Sister/Etc.) sucks, but is all that the JERKS will accept if DS continues on Patreon.

Another option is to remove MOST of the BB stuff from the site, use F95 or someplace else to release updates and just use Patreon for updates about the new (Glamour) projects and later for releases. Not a great option, but it gives people access to BB updates, news about the future project, and shuts the idiot reviewers the hell up.

None of this is good, and I hope it doesn't continue for long. If you read this @DarkSilver then know that a lot of people are supporting you and want BB to continue. I may not agree with some of the choices you made for the game, but I would like to see it continue.

Just some thoughts.
I agree with the second option. no matter which scenario he would use it would break the story and a lot of things wouldn't make sense anymore.
 
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megadork

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I don't condone what patreon is doing
Well, I got an update from Patreon. Cleaning page is not enough for them, they wanna to delete the game itself. Can't say that I'm happy
Here's some more unhappy news....

Either rewrite the story and characters that you already have renders for.

-or-

Just stop working on it and move on to Glamour.

-or-

Find another way to get paid while doing the same thing.

Either way you're gonna have to take a break from milking the cow for awhile and collect your thoughts.
 

Tycho86

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@DarkSilver - Have anybody mentioned MakerSupport yet, an alternate patreon like site. I hope it's not forbidden to mention, because then I'm sorry. But if enough of you creators go there, people will also start to come. Of what I can see, Sargon of Akkad (a free speech advocate) is the biggest on the platform right now.
 

ddf

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But a lot of content between family members should be removed anyway.
I'm a bit depressed right now, frankly speaking.
Can ridiculous plot with weird dialogues (all can be easily modded by some anonymous user :) ) be an option?
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- "Hi folks, my childhood friend Kira is coming."
...
- "Lisa, how can you sleep naked in one room with Max, he's a complete stranger to you?"
...
- "Alice, I need a job to support us all... disregarding the fact that we are strangers and not a family..."
 

gestved

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Man, you really HAD to know that patreon was going to come after you, they came after EVERYONE but you, EVERYONE took measures to prevent patreon stick, some even took preemptive measures, I just can't believe you thought everything was gonna be hunky dory forever with you being one of the biggest creators on all patreon, and having a game that literally says in the title "Incest story of your life".

this subject has already been widely debated by users and devs, the measures are already on the table, I really hope you took the time to change the game while patreon was after DMD and DoD and everyone else, otherwise it was really stupid of you
 

Asphyx

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Who knows. Most devs had to remove incest but created patches to add incest back. But BB is much more complex than renpy VNs like DMD so it's hard to say. And knowing DS he would agree with Patreon if he could. My guess is that Max will become step-son but we won't have a patch to make him blood related again
Actually it isn't that hard in Unity.

Actually DS could change the incest problem easily. Max would be an adopted child, then he wouldn't be related by blood nor would it be real incest and of course the family would treat him like a real family member with calling him son or brother. DS would only need to change a few things, that it would be clear that Max isn't related by blood.
No they don't care of it is blood related or simply adopted/step children.

No Faerin did not make a xml file. Some evil modder did to restore that evil content that he had to to take out.
Yes but there is no reason why DS couldn't make an XML file to change the relationships and with a little editing of the script to use those mappings.xml parameters so we could easily replace the new mapping.xml with the incest version.
 
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JasonJemodah

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@DarkSilver, if you need help with changing dialogue lines to something else (landlady/tenants, exchange student, whatever), I'm sure a lot of us here would want to help. I'm not sure what the best way to do it is though, perhaps a GitHub with all the dialogue lines?
 

greenymph

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To be honest, you don't have to change a thing in the game at all. I don't know what state in development Glamour is, but you guys should really get a working release available on patreon asap. Next, set up a webpage for your studio and move Big Brother completly to it, providing your patrons with an access code or something like that.

You should still be able to do polls and progress reports about Big Brother on patreon, though releasing the teaser images could be a little more tricky.

It would be the easiest way to get going without having to butcher up the game.
 
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